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LightningZ71 said:
I propose that Intel would be better served, on a FUTURE node, to develope a cove core that sacrifices no resources for HT and instead, optimized for single thread performance. Instead, just offer a few more Mont clusters. The number of cases where this hurts would be much less than the cases where it helps.
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I said as much earlier on in this thread, I fully expect a complete reset on the Cove designs, starting from scratch with a clean slate and a new design largely inherited from the Atom team.

I’d estimate that not only will HT eventually be dropped, but also other ideas from Tremont/Gracemont will be bought over, such as:

- Less execution units per port and instead adding more ports to reduce backend contention
- Decode units organised into multiple clusters
- Pre-decode length caching
 
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Zucker2k said:
Except for this, among other things like 32 core threadripper losing to 8 core chips and so forth...

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If there s AVX256 in good amount then Zen 1 based TR stand no chance against highly clocked DT Zen 2-3.

Anyway most interesting are comparisons within a same brand DT SKUs, and in our case of ADL in respect of CML/RKL.
 
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English translation, please?
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IDK why original page cannot being translated by google or some other online translator. All ya need to know is simple:

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when click another tag, the tag's position will change
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but since this bench is not well-known or 'authoritative', we should still wait
 
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اختصاصی: قیمت و بنچمارک های پردازنده های Alder Lake اینتل - سخت افزار مگ

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Apparent pricing and benchmarks of ADL-S. Looks good so far, if true.

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EDIT: Some of the benchmarks show the 11900k beating the 12900KF, so I would take the numbers with a grain of salt.
 
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eek2121 said:
Apparent pricing and benchmarks of ADL-S. Looks good so far, if true.
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If that pricing is correct, then it is a $17 to $70 price increase compared to Rocket Lake (6.5% to 16.9% increase). The largest dollar increase would be the 12900 ($70) and 12900K ($60). The largest percent increase would be the 12600 (16.9%) and 12900 (15.9%). Unfortunate, but understandable given the current chip shortage and added features.
 
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JoeRambo said:
Yeah, PC Mark score is nothing short of disaster, probably woes of scheduler keeping loads on E cores.
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Possibly. Can’t read the article, unfortunately. Might try Google Translate later.

dullard said:
If that pricing is correct, then it is a $17 to $70 price increase compared to Rocket Lake (6.5% to 16.9% increase). The largest dollar increase would be the 12900 ($70) and 12900K ($60). The largest percent increase would be the 12600 (16.9%) and 12900 (15.9%). Unfortunate, but understandable given the current chip shortage and added features.
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I still wonder if that will be the final pricing for the US. The site isn’t targeting the US obviously.
 
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CakeMonster said:
Is there more to that source? Anyone could have made the table.
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It scores exacly as i expected it to score given the available info in GB5 and CB and Blender, so probably info has a lot merit to it.

5Ghz x 8 x HT yield + 3.7 ghz x 8 is plenty of MT power and enough to match 3.75 ghz x 16 x HT yieldAMD

Where it falls apart in more "stupid" testing like PCMark, that is already known to be vulnerable to power plans, memory timing, AMD pre Z3 CCX pecularities and so on.
 
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CakeMonster said:
Is there more to that source? Anyone could have made the table.
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I don't think this is a source, it's a copy and paste from other known sources. Look they don't have more SKU infos, the P/E clock speeds of the K-SKUs were already known, they don't know more than this. The non K core/thread counts might be nonsense there. 12700 listed as 8+4. On Geekbench it's 8+0: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/9528015

Clock speed seems off as well.
 
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That 12600k seems like an ideal budget gaming processor. It should have enough threads to get the job done without breaking the bank or being a thermal nightmare.
 
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Granted, no one knows what app this slide is based on but ADL-S is ~17% ahead of Zen 3 and slightly less than that against RKL-S in single core uplift in this particular scenario, Maybe we can trace the app by the difference between RKL-S and Zen 3. GB5? CBxx?

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I think a lot of Alder Lake success rides on memory. DDR4 being better for enthusiasts makes sense only if motherboards are enthusiast level as well. If all good motherboards are DDR5 and DDR4 ones have potato VRMs, that would be bad for Intel.
 
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