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Yes for the first bit, but as for Golden I have no clue.7nm is Granite with Golden Cove, right?
Yes for the first bit, but as for Golden I have no clue.7nm is Granite with Golden Cove, right?
that would make the 1.25 MB L2 a major advantage in Geekbench.
Seems to me it is only talking about the HEDT (X) platform. Not sure how you read it that no new desktop products at all are coming out.
Leak that suggests that there will be no additional H/S/X products released this year. So no Rocket Lake, no Tiger Lake H, and no HEDT.
There will be a natural overlap typical for server platforms. Even if Intel updates their whole lineup to Ice Lake, they'll keep making previous generations as well. OEMs have long-term contracts.To me the most unexpected thing in these slides (if they are accurate) is that they seem to be replacing the the entire Cascade Lake R lineup with Ice Lake already in 2020. I would have expected some overlap.
Seriously, it would be much easier for you to understand, if you stopped repeating that "Ice Lake is a tiny droplet". It's not. 10nm is here. It's in big chunk of Intel-powered laptops on offer.I mean they sold $7.0B worth of server CPUs in Q1 vast majority of them Cascade Lake R. In comparison desktop + mobile together was $9.8B of which Ice Lake is a tiny droplet. Now considering they'll be releasing Tiger lake (with more availability) at the same time and Ice Lake S dies will be huge compared to mobile chips, I just can't see them being able to put out such a volume of chips.
I mean they sold $7.0B worth of server CPUs in Q1 vast majority of them Cascade Lake R. In comparison desktop + mobile together was $9.8B of which Ice Lake is a tiny droplet.
There will be a natural overlap typical for server platforms. Even if Intel updates their whole lineup to Ice Lake, they'll keep making previous generations as well. OEMs have long-term contracts.
I'm well aware that Ice Lake is available, my wife has one in her laptop (HP spectre x360) since march and they have been available here for a while. Now it's finally starting to appear in Macs as well. I guess it's slowly getting there. but It certainly isn't all roses though:Seriously, it would be much easier for you to understand, if you stopped repeating that "Ice Lake is a tiny droplet". It's not. 10nm is here. It's in big chunk of Intel-powered laptops on offer.
If you keep thinking that 10nm is tiny, you'll be more and more confused by these leaks (and reality as well).
No, you're thinking of Ocean Cove. Ocean Cove was axed, but Ocean Cove is proceeding according to plan.
Yes for the first bit, but as for Golden I have no clue.
Leak that suggests that there will be no additional H/S/X products released this year. So no Rocket Lake, no Tiger Lake H, and no HEDT.
Just custom loop it bro.Unsurprising. There probably won't be enough dice for them to sell an HEDT product based on IceLake-SP, and as for Cooper Lake . . . actually wait that would be a funny product. Anyone want a 11980Xe with 56 cores that uses 400W @ stock?
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I don't think this one was posted yet. Was it?
In any case... Intel are definitely cutting cores for yields.
At the same time though... there's quite a few oddities in here. But momomo posted it, so idk
Ok, this at least makes some sense. If they have enough 10nm volume to release full-stack Ice Lake S then it would be an epic failure not being able to release a full stack of 10nm Sapphire Rapids IMO.
Core count on Sapphire Rapids looks really bad though.
For Kabylake U it talked about 80 designs. For Icelake they talked about more than 35. While significantly lower, it still represents greater than 1/3rd of total.
Well, he also said its not showing the maximum core count.
Icelake-SP has up to 38 cores, not 32. If we apply the same math than we should see a 56 core SPR. This is also consistent with some numbers floating around.
Few things that stand out from the roadmap:
-Why is "Premium" more TDP and less cores? Why is "Mainstream" more cores and less TDP?
-Cascade Lake has 28 cores, not 24.
-Point of Cooper Lake is 56 cores. It shows 24.
Regarding Apple, they took so long with Icelake products I think its a sign that they're pulling resources from x86 already. The performance of the Icelake chips used in Macbooks do not stand out at all compared to regular parts that were available for nearly a year. A year or two before Conroe launch, Intel pulled resources from Netburst products.
By doing that it makes the next gen products look even better.
That's what I meant by oddities. But after thinking about it I think I might have an explanation?Few things that stand out from the roadmap:
-Why is "Premium" more TDP and less cores? Why is "Mainstream" more cores and less TDP?
-Cascade Lake has 28 cores, not 24.
-Point of Cooper Lake is 56 cores. It shows 24.
Regarding Apple, they took so long with Icelake products
See, unlike in PCs where for vast majority the upgrades are for pleasure, next generation server parts have a compelling reason to upgrade, such as lower TCO due to greatly improved perf/watt and immediately being able to replace large amount of servers with smaller amounts.
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I don't think this one was posted yet. Was it?
In any case... Intel are definitely cutting cores for yields.
At the same time though... there's quite a few oddities in here. But momomo posted it, so idk
I also thought it was Willow Cove, as that's how Intel's uArch cadence in the server market as played out thus far. Server traditionally has not been the focus for new uArchs at Intel, desktop and mobile have been the first adopters by a year or more normally.I'm surprised Sapphire Rapids in still scheduled for late 2021. Any thoughts on "new microarchitecture"? Most people thought it's based on Willow Cove but I more and more believe it's similar to Golden Cove. The instruction set is similar to Alder Lake, actually it's supports more instructions than Tigerlake and Alder Lake: https://software.intel.com/content/...tion-set-extensions-programming-reference.pdf
Also DDR5 support, Willow Cove doesn't support DDR5.
I'm just a liiiitle bit hesitant on this one still because the physics score is so poor - a sign of poor stability. It falls behind your average 1065G7 score by about 1k points in CPU testing.Several new 3dmark entries from i7-1165G7 appeared. 2.8 Ghz, 4.7 Ghz turbo:
i7-1185G7 should get 4.8 Ghz turbo (or more)
3. Intel don't expect AMD to make significant gains in 1T performance for a third time in a row with Genoa.
Several new 3dmark entries from i7-1165G7 appeared. 2.8 Ghz, 4.7 Ghz turbo:
i7-1185G7 should get 4.8 Ghz turbo (or more)
My thoughts exactly. Hence the word 'would' was usedNope, as the results show. Otherwise Tigerlake should be having double-digit advantages per clock not 5-7%.
Usually such benchmarks can fit all in L1 caches.