Not as dense, slow and hot needing more cores and power, ROB size detracts from the memory latency penalty. The results were bunk in the first place. Like @DrMrLordX said, you either run similar setups including RAM speed because it makes the most sense or you run JEDEC speeds which are very slow and not used by anyone outside ODM buyers who buy office machines built using the lowest end parts which are not the target purchasers of this or any other game. You run RAM the same and let the pros and cons of the processors speak for themselves. Not kneecap them with slower RAM settings all over the place, especially in a game with an engine that seems to be bandwidth sensitive.
I dunno. But a i5 beating a 7950X3D in a AMD sponsored title is still hilarious!
Bethesda games are always wonky at launch. Let's see how performance is in a month or 3. The same applies to GPUs as well since the 7900XTX being faster than the 4090 is also an oddity.
You dn't have to run similar ram. Because platform technology is higher on intel anyway
That's not how bench marking with minimum variables works.
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Baldur's Gate says hi :
Baldur's Gate 3 im Technik-Test: Hübsch, brutal, klassisch [Update: 40 Grafikkarten im Benchmark]
PCGH zeigt, welche Leistung Sie in Baldur's Gate 3 erwarten können - je nach verwendeter CPU oder Grafikkarte.
Utter destruction.
BG3 is good example of what happens when frame time is limited by pathfinding algorithm for all entities. So you end up with memory speed test mostly and no wonder X3D chips push forward compared to the rest.
What happens when CPU is given more mem speed? 12900K with barely any memory OC is beating the hell out of Zen3:
No reason not to expect Zen3 to scale as good. I'd estimate that 13900K + 7400+ tight memory would be what it takes to beat X3D chips here.
The good thing that BG3 devs somewhat fixed performance, making it no longer suffer so much from pathfinding and this benchmark is invalid. But obviuosly good memory tuning and/or X3D cache continue to matter as much as ever, just the results are no longer so scewed.
What happens when CPU is given more mem speed? 12900K with barely any memory OC is beating the hell out of Zen3:
No reason not to expect Zen3 to scale as good. I'd estimate that 13900K + 7400+ tight memory would be what it takes to beat X3D chips here.
The good thing that BG3 devs somewhat fixed performance, making it no longer suffer so much from pathfinding and this benchmark is invalid. But obviuosly good memory tuning and/or X3D cache continue to matter as much as ever, just the results are no longer so scewed.
FYI, not to agree or disagree with anything here, but Baldur’s Gate 3 is actually not a new game. It has been in early access for quite a while. I bought it back in 2020. I say that because the game is not going to be particularly demanding to run on any system.Baldur's Gate says hi :
View attachment 85286Baldur's Gate 3 im Technik-Test: Hübsch, brutal, klassisch [Update: 40 Grafikkarten im Benchmark]
PCGH zeigt, welche Leistung Sie in Baldur's Gate 3 erwarten können - je nach verwendeter CPU oder Grafikkarte.www.pcgameshardware.de
Utter destruction.
That being said: ouch.
I'm not familiar with Larian Studios works, but anyone who's been kicking the game genres for the last 20-25 years like some of the fellow old farts here know that Bethesda is worse than a nyc rat stealing a slice of discarded pizza. my own lapse in memory was I assumed bethesda through zenimax was bought out by Microsoft about 20 years ago in the mid 2000s but that is incorrect and the purchase happened during the pandemic. future organic ip may be free of the bethesda nightmarish spell all their games have of being crud under microsoft's iron fist.
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Couple of thoughts...things I'm pondering.
Is the 14900K simply a rebranded 13900KS or is the process/stepping different between the two?
Is the entire Refresh line simply the result of Raptor binning over the last year or so?
The real "value" for the 14900K is that since most 8/16 core Raptors are thermally limited these parts will achieve higher sustained frequencies than previous parts.
I'm also curious about is how Raptor vs Raptor Refresh compare at the same power levels and core counts? On average since there is of course variability among samples.
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Hardware Unboxed shows different results where Intel offers superior performance.
Also memory bandwidth limitation is a myth. 13900K would beat 7800X3D even with DDR4.
Zen 3 did really poorly here... Hard to believe that this is AMD sponsored game - maybe they didn't care about the CPU part at all. 13900K being 2x faster than 5950X...
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GN shows LGA 1700 is the fastest in Starfield too
typical bethesda where the community picks up the slack from the devs. junk
Hopefully, a patch will be released to fix that. Otherwise, that's unacceptable. How come no one is complaining of hitching during gameplay?
Yea, surprising how much difference between 12th and 13th gen Intel. GPU results are brutal. I only have a 1060 6gb. Maybe could run 1080 low or 720.
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It'll do even better with max overclock. Seems the more things change, the more they stay the same. The core creation engine is still present, and still demanding high clockspeed and IPC to perform best.
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Because there is very little stutter. You can get it in certain very CPU heavy areas with something like the minimum spec 2600X. But other than that it is a non issue. ETAprime was getting better gameplay on a APU than what a GTX 1650 + 5800X3D can produce.
Interestingly in the GPU review they used a 7800X3D for 1080p Ultra testing and the 7900XTX managed 102 FPS in the test vs the 4090's 93 FPS. Would have been interesting to see how CPU scaling behaved with Radeon GPU incase there was anything driver related going on.
It’s a tweaked process Intel 7 process, that’s the only real change. At iso clocks will it consume less power, which is why the base frequency also got a bump from 3.0ghz to 3.2ghz.
One might call it Intel 7++.
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