That's a stupid dual CPU package that no one ever used, except maybe one or two examples in HPC. Was just a way for Intel to advertise higher density. And, Cooper Lake is just another Skylake refresh, though I guess technically they added more UPI lanes.
They always have something that starts with A, but seem to name the derivatives differently. Like the TGL 8c started at P or something. Likewise for the ADL 6+0 die.
As said 10nm SF has been renamed Intel 7 and is already in use in RPL, that was stated in a slide from Intel, otherwise RPL-S wouldnt have only 2-3% better perfs.
What makes you think that people who boast about their efficient CPU have multi-monitor high refresh setups? A fast multi-monitor setup defeats the idea of energy efficiency no matter the choice of your GPU. Also, if you enable VRR, the 7900XT has good idle power consumption.
I think you need to think about this even more: AMD is currently getting the same treatment for RDNA3 that Nvidia is getting for Ada. You should visit the GPU forum more often and discover how Ada's efficiency is just about the only universally appreciated feature of the new generation, while the very poor performance per dollar and VRAM starving of the "value" cards are the real reasons Nvidia is getting burned. Ada Lovelace is not just the 4090 and the 4080.
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Intel Lunar Lake CPUs Feature 64 Xe “Battlemage” EUs For iGPU, 8 Xe-Cores & Next-Gen VPU
Intel Lunar Lake CPUs Feature 64 Xe "Battlemage" EUs For iGPU, 8 Xe-Cores & Next-Gen VPU
Intel next-generation Lunar Lake "Core Ultra" CPUs for low-power PCs will feature up to 64 EUs based on the Battlemage Xe2-LPG iGPU cores.
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What's a dang rentable unit? Is Intel going to try to put some instructions or even whole CPU blocks behind a subscription based paywall on client CPUs????
What is that slide supposed to show?As said 10nm SF has been renamed Intel 7 and is already in use in RPL, that was stated in a slide from Intel, otherwise RPL-S wouldnt have only 2-3% better perfs.
Intel Raptor Lake-S: Mehr Kerne, Takt und TDP für (viel) mehr CPU-Leistung
Ein „signifikant verbesserter Fertigungsprozess“ soll Raptor Lake von Intel Beine machen und gegen AMD Ryzen 7000 bestehen lassen.www.computerbase.de
At least AL and RL are competitive at some point. From the leaks so far, it appears ARL will not be competitive at higher power, so how does it follow that it will be somehow magically be competitive or better at lower power? (Yes, I know it is theoretically possible, depending on the characteristics of the node, but until I actually see it in hard data, that just seems like wishful thinking.)
Since the tGPU is gonna be tied up with DDR5 (due to lack of GDDR6). there's definitely going to be some memory bandwidth limitation.The tGPU will definitely be better than the older Xe LP. But might not catch up with the dGPU. Or best case might just match it. Won't be better i think.
Saying ADL & RPL are "good" players is a huge understatement.
It's human nature. People always root for the underdog regardless of reason. But thats all set to change very soon with MTL.
That's not necessarily true, I think it'd be extraordinarily difficult to get any modern CPU to be in shippable state while still on A-stepping silicon. AMD is still very efficient managing to ship on B-stepping which is very difficult to do on a CPU.
One thing that's worth noting is the overlap between Intel and AMD fans today and 5-10 years ago is almost certainly high. I suspect some of the most annoying AMD fans were at one point huge team blue fans, to make that concrete. In other words he's likely right if Intel were ahead in Perf/Watt again - competitive once more - you'd probably see a bit of a migration of sorts and probably some bashing from blue @ red. However, now that AMD is where it is today, I don't think we'll see remotely we did in the past RE: the asymmetries again and suspect there's a sticky factor, only directionally if that happens.
So? Apple and Qualcomm ship on A pretty regularly and they still have SoC's on an *annual* cadence with pretty significant IP changes if not process changes more often; further, they still fabricate large dice in the case of Apple. I suspect their mobile lineups for AMD ship on something closer to A stepping as well. Intel's client group is still lazy about simulation and tapeouts relative to their competitors. It's not as bad as the datacenter group whatsoever but we've heard more than enough about the problems they have to know they are in a unique position here.
Hmmm. I'd like to see a MTL refresh on Intel 3 and hope they go for it, even if it won't have the ARL IP if they work around a few issues with MTL (apparent issues we will see) and hand it a new process node for the compute tile that could be significant for both energy efficiency and maybe idle draw as well, albeit without the cost structure of N3 or 20A.
5800h shipped A0. The 1165g7 shipped B1.
Ok so that's not awful for Intel but not fantastic. More impressive from AMD I think given that was Ice Lake to Tiger Lake (very minimal CPU IP change in particular though graphics sure), whereas the former was Renoir to Cezanne (major CPU IP change) and both were on a similar process.
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