Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[A///]

I think they have AVX2 VNNI instructions supported by Gracemont.

GNA is its own separate accelerator. Though seems kind of pointless once they add MTL's VPU. Wonder if they'll end up dropping it.

cheers mate. heard it on a podcast in passing whilst driving and couldn't find much info other than listing son sellers sites.

 

[aigomorla]

what a strange question! they're bizzarre animals with massive elongated teeth, fat and slow but in a show of aggression will likely hurt you if they want to, never mind the silly bristle brush mustaches they all have. dreadful animals. seen plenty of beached walruses before, they die and stink to the heavens. their only use would be to render their fat for burning and their meat to be used in animal feed.

Waifu is NOT a Wife.
One stays eternally beautiful, doesnt blow up like a balloon after its first child, and will never ask you for anything.

Anyhow Waifu culture has the same thing as giving toys female names, like boats and cars.
Hell my Tesla's name is Nadeshiko even, which translates to perfect wife, or at least it started that way, when i was all into Tesla's.

 

[A///]

Waifu is NOT a Wife.
One stays eternally beautiful, doesnt blow up like a balloon after its first child, and will never ask you for anything.

Anyhow Waifu culture has the same thing as giving toys female names, like boats and cars.
Hell my Tesla's name is Nadeshiko even, which translates to perfect wife, or at least it started that way, when i was all into Tesla's.

A what? He said Walrus.

 

[SiliconFly]

The ES2 silicon is already achieving 5.1ghz at 1.1V, if @OneRaichu is to be believed.

Edit: Wow his twitter posts creeps me out.

Ur right. Raichu has posted a V/F curve which shows MTL ES2 reaching 5.1 GHz already (a bit higher than I thought). Thats impressive considering Intel 4 HP library's height has been reduced by up to 40% which i assumed would impact f-max. But it looks like thats not the case.

But one thing's for sure, MTL efficiency is gonna be insane! Hope they can manufacture enough cpus.

 

[nicalandia]

Waifu is NOT a Wife.
One stays eternally beautiful, doesnt blow up like a balloon after its first child, and will never ask you for anything.

Anyhow Waifu culture has the same thing as giving toys female names, like boats and cars.
Hell my Tesla's name is Nadeshiko even, which translates to perfect wife, or at least it started that way, when i was all into Tesla's.

How old are you?

 

[A///]

anyway walking away from the flaming ball above due to explode... any leaks to es mtl or arl other than the mobile stuff from a few weeks ago.

 

[nicalandia]

Intel Max makes it Debut on Geekbench5

Quanta Cloud Technology Inc. QuantaGrid D54Q-2U - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Quanta Cloud Technology Inc. QuantaGrid D54Q-2U with an Intel Xeon Max 9480 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[eek2121]

Ur right. Raichu has posted a V/F curve which shows MTL ES2 reaching 5.1 GHz already (a bit higher than I thought). Thats impressive considering Intel 4 HP library's height has been reduced by up to 40% which i assumed would impact f-max. But it looks like thats not the case.

But one thing's for sure, MTL efficiency is gonna be insane! Hope they can manufacture enough cpus.

The process has no issue hitting 5.3-5.4ghz (with the sacrifice of efficiency), from what I understand, so we should ignore the rumors of clock regression.

Intel 4 will have capacity issues because most of Intel’s focus is on 18A.

 

[eek2121]

Intel Max makes it Debut on Geekbench5
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Quanta Cloud Technology Inc. QuantaGrid D54Q-2U - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Quanta Cloud Technology Inc. QuantaGrid D54Q-2U with an Intel Xeon Max 9480 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Running at 1.8ghz clocks. Interesting.

 

[nicalandia]

Running at 1.8ghz clocks. Interesting.

More like 1.9, which is the advertised all core base.






Thats to keep the CPU from exceeding the TDP

 

[aigomorla]

A what? He said Walrus.

nah he said Originally meant Waifu...

[/QUOTE]

Not a fan of the Waifus?

lol you turned it into a Walrus. Which my sarcasm was mostly aimed at saying, to some males, they are the same thing, wife being a walrus. But lets not go there, or i may end up getting kicked out of the house.

How old are you?

My commet was aimed at sarcasm.
But Waifu's do extend to cars / boats / planes / other stuff.
And Videocards are now coming out with a lot of Waifu Edition:

Its a growing subculture for PC Builders now.

 

[A///]

I'm not sure if being even less sober would help me get through some of the posts here. I should fetishize bananas like igor.

 

[Exist50]

Apparently Intel's been doing more budget cuts/layoffs. Their client business group did indeed get an ~8% budget cut. Can't find out exactly how many layoff that translates to, but certainly a lot. Sounds like the main engineering org also got another round of budget cuts/layoffs, but a smaller number. Sounds like graphics was hit hard though.

 

[Thunder 57]

Apparently Intel's been doing more budget cuts/layoffs. Their client business group did indeed get an ~8% budget cut. Can't find out exactly how many layoff that translates to, but certainly a lot. Sounds like the main engineering org also got another round of budget cuts/layoffs, but a smaller number. Sounds like graphics was hit hard though.

I hope that doesn't mean they plan on giving up on graphics already. That would be incredibly shortsighted. But we know how much Intel likes margins, and margins on their cards right now is probably poo.

 

[Exist50]

I hope that doesn't mean they plan on giving up on graphics already. That would be incredibly shortsighted. But we know how much Intel likes margins, and margins on their cards right now is probably poo.

I doubt they'll kill graphics officially, but they run the very real risk of leaving it stillborn from underfunding. Honestly, that's probably the risk for most of their products. They're making huge cuts today that will hurt them most in '26-'27. Which of course will become justification for yet more cuts, just as their troubles today were mostly the result of mismanagement under BK. This is the death spiral that poorly managed companies fall into, and I don't see Gelsinger having the wherewithal or backbone to break out of it.

Like, any rational person can see the problem with the logic of "Our financials are terrible because our products are uncompetitive." -> "We need to cut costs to improve financials." -> "Our products are uncompetitive because we cut costs" -> [repeat]. But apparently common sense does not dictate corporate decision making.

 

[eek2121]

I doubt they'll kill graphics officially, but they run the very real risk of leaving it stillborn from underfunding. Honestly, that's probably the risk for most of their products. They're making huge cuts today that will hurt them most in '26-'27. Which of course will become justification for yet more cuts, just as their troubles today were mostly the result of mismanagement under BK. This is the death spiral that poorly managed companies fall into, and I don't see Gelsinger having the wherewithal or backbone to break out of it.

Like, any rational person can see the problem with the logic of "Our financials are terrible because our products are uncompetitive." -> "We need to cut costs to improve financials." -> "Our products are uncompetitive because we cut costs" -> [repeat]. But apparently common sense does not dictate corporate decision making.

After the release of ChatGPT and competitors? Nope. Intel needs GPUs to stay competitive in the AI space.

 

[eek2121]

More like 1.9, which is the advertised all core base.

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Thats to keep the CPU from exceeding the TDP

Or boost is disabled. That chip should have no issues with maintaining higher clocks on a test like gb5/6

 

[Hitman928]

I doubt they'll kill graphics officially, but they run the very real risk of leaving it stillborn from underfunding. Honestly, that's probably the risk for most of their products. They're making huge cuts today that will hurt them most in '26-'27. Which of course will become justification for yet more cuts, just as their troubles today were mostly the result of mismanagement under BK. This is the death spiral that poorly managed companies fall into, and I don't see Gelsinger having the wherewithal or backbone to break out of it.

Like, any rational person can see the problem with the logic of "Our financials are terrible because our products are uncompetitive." -> "We need to cut costs to improve financials." -> "Our products are uncompetitive because we cut costs" -> [repeat]. But apparently common sense does not dictate corporate decision making.

Yep. I said this before, but it looks like Intel is going "all in" on their foundry play and counting on not only regaining process leadership for their own products, but also gaining lots of foundry customers at the same time. If it works, Gelsinger will look like a genius but lots of things have to go nearly perfect for it to work at this point. There is not much room for error anymore at Intel.

 

[A///]

I dunno about cutting employees tbh. amd had and still has far less than intel does and they're kicking intel's ass six ways from sunday. Gelsinger has been in a downward dog yoga position since taking the helm with amd firmly behind him but not in the manner he'd prefer which is amd being 2nd to them. if you're cutting staff it sucks but if the staff was excess that isn't needed and don't contribute much to their inividual orgs then wy keep keep feeding the baby birds?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Sounds like graphics was hit hard though.

Yeah they got rid of Raja after all! He was like 25% of their GPU division all by himself!

After the release of ChatGPT and competitors? Nope. Intel needs GPUs to stay competitive in the AI space.

Sad that Intel needs GPUs to be competitive in AI when they've got so many independent AI projects operating under the same roof. Or had anyway.

 

[A///]

i bet whoever recommended raja's hiring knew they were on their way being sacked and that was their final hurruh moment they'll treasure forever.

 

[igor_kavinski]

i bet whoever recommended raja's hiring knew they were on their way being sacked and that was their final hurruh moment they'll treasure forever.

He kind of wiggled his way into the Intel blanket during the Intel-AMD collaboration for Kaby Lake G. I think his pitch went like this:

"So I see that you payin' millions to AMD to use their GPU tech. I'm the brains behind that tech. Just hire me and I'll make you billions. All I ask for in return is peanuts compared to what you will make eventually. (in his mind, the thought continued, "eventually as in, FAR, FAR, FARRRRRR into the future, enough to help my coming generations live off the dough I make while promising great things to these buffoons.)"

And he sunk billions of investor money into the GPU sinkhole. Thankfully, the hole wasn't big enough so some of that money made its way into a product that finally launched. Kudos to him for not making that hole larger. Thank you, Raja Koduri. We owe you.

 

[A///]

He kind of wiggled his way into the Intel blanket during the Intel-AMD collaboration for Kaby Lake G. I think his pitch went like this:

It was the 2nd time Intel either got dropped or terminated a deal. Before the buy out was done intel had partnered with ati to provide integrated graphics on their low and mid range chipsets, their enthusiast range still used their crappy gma stuff. they went with sis for several years before introducing their igpu. this was a pivotal moment because there was much buzz on how intel accomplished this.

raja's sole purpose other than making a mess is to be in the dc and not regular consumer lines. I hope keller keeps him at arm's distance.

 

[SiliconFly]

The process has no issue hitting 5.3-5.4ghz (with the sacrifice of efficiency), from what I understand, so we should ignore the rumors of clock regression.

Intel 4 will have capacity issues because most of Intel’s focus is on 18A.

Sounds exciting! But any pointers and/or references to 5.3 - 5.3 ghz numbers? Cos' most of the articles I've come across; tend to get their numbers from rumors or guesstimates. 🙁

 

[SiliconFly]

He kind of wiggled his way into the Intel blanket during the Intel-AMD collaboration for Kaby Lake G. I think his pitch went like this:

"So I see that you payin' millions to AMD to use their GPU tech. I'm the brains behind that tech. Just hire me and I'll make you billions. All I ask for in return is peanuts compared to what you will make eventually. (in his mind, the thought continued, "eventually as in, FAR, FAR, FARRRRRR into the future, enough to help my coming generations live off the dough I make while promising great things to these buffoons.)"

And he sunk billions of investor money into the GPU sinkhole. Thankfully, the hole wasn't big enough so some of that money made its way into a product that finally launched. Kudos to him for not making that hole larger. Thank you, Raja Koduri. We owe you.

Actually I think raja doesn't deserve all the bashing that I've seen on the web. He's done some good too!

If we turn the clock back, Intel had to completely scrap the Larabee project after pouring in billions because it under performed. Well, in reality, it was a total disaster!

Their iGPUs have been stagnant for more than a decade with tiny incremental updates that aren't even worth a mention.

Raja started with a clean slate, cut out all the old crap, delivered decent hardware (not top notch but still good) and most importantly intel now has super stable and clean graphics drivers because of his past efforts. That itself is a humongous task. He did take his own sweet time, but without his knowledge and experience, Intel would be having another Larabee in their hands.

Instead, now they're in a position to compete with AMD/Nvidia/Apple in the lower to mid-range graphics which by itself is an massive achievement. In spite of delays, Raja still deserves a little bit of our appreciation I think.