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Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

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yes you must consider that sapphire rapids had been delayed for so long due to many problems but these problems were learning experiences and that sapphire rapids was originally designed many years ago but due to delays is an outated and out classed product, but because of investors and outstanding contracts they had to deliver it regardless of whether they wanted to or not.

my memory is hazy but samsung also plans on delivering such power delivery but they might say they're bringing back elvis and dinosaurs with their stupid claims, tsmc must bring this to maintain their leading edge. if they don't or cannot and ifs turns out to be good it's going to be a world of hurt for tsmc as contracts expire and their customers possibly migrate to intels fs or dual source it. meanwhile samsung will continue to make smoothies using toilet water.
 
uhh... im hearing some pretty crazy stuff about the W5-3435X.
But here is the W7-3495X

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Intel Xeon W-3400 Content Creation Preview

Intel has announced their latest Xeon processor families, including the W-2400 and W-3400 lines. While there is still several months to go before the sales embargo, we are able to give a preview of how these processors perform in various content creation applications.
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Performance mode... the cores seem to be faster 1:1 then Threadripper.

Power tho is off the chart...
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yes that is one of the problems their future power delivery should fix emphasis on that last part @aigomorla. if you recall ice lake was due in 2018 but was delayed until a few years later and sapphire rapids was late too. the performance is good but power is not. a fact i tend to emphasize when charts like this are show is that while tr is a year old chip it's a 2+ year old core design that came out in nov 2020, the golden cove core design in sapphire is a year newer but not that impressive. for the dc market and not w market intel is chasing old ass epycs. until they get their cores as good as amd and their power usage like amd they are a no show.

this is a good start but we're looking at something that should have come out years ago. the big one up intel has right now against tr is the versatility and basic features it has where tr customers were sol unless they went with tr pro. amd's prior segmentation of tr and tr pro wasn't popular and amd doesn't make it easy to buy a tr pro standalone day 1 like they did in the past. segmentation and playing lovies with lenovo doesn't help the industry at all. amd releasing tr 7000 this 2nd half of 2023 will either make or break their tr line until zen 5's tr line. they need to quit with their dumb arsed segmentation and deliver 1 to 1 feature set like intel on a new long term socket and not jerk around customers like they did in the past. none of this bs 4 channel 8 channel 12 channel crap. you want to take intel's lunch and crap on their porch? You don't play games with your customers. build and they shall come.
 
A/// said:
my memory is hazy but samsung also plans on delivering such power delivery but they might say they're bringing back elvis and dinosaurs with their stupid claims .... meanwhile samsung will continue to make smoothies using toilet water.
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This made me LOL.

A/// said:
for the dc market and not w market intel is chasing old ass epycs. until they get their cores as good as amd and their power usage like amd they are a no show.
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The core performance itself is better than Zen 3 clock for clock. The 5995x has at minimum a 12.5% clock speed advantage when all cores are loaded up against the w9 3495x. As always, it's the power draw holding it back and keeping the cores out of it's optimal performance region.
 
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aigomorla said:
uhh... im hearing some pretty crazy stuff about the W5-3435X.
But here is the W7-3495X

www.pugetsystems.com

Intel Xeon W-3400 Content Creation Preview

Intel has announced their latest Xeon processor families, including the W-2400 and W-3400 lines. While there is still several months to go before the sales embargo, we are able to give a preview of how these processors perform in various content creation applications.
www.pugetsystems.com www.pugetsystems.com

Windows-Power-Profile-Performance-w9-3495-vs-W-3375-vs-5995WX.png


Performance mode... the cores seem to be faster 1:1 then Threadripper.

Power tho is off the chart...
CPU-Package-Power-w7-3465-vs-W-3365-vs-5975WX-1.png
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The only test I see SPR bring faster in is unreal engine. Threadripper is faster in the rest of them. . .
 
Hitman928 said:
The only test I see SPR bring faster in is unreal engine. Threadripper is faster in the rest of them. . .
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Thats if you look at total package tho.

Im more looking at Core / Core performance, as i'll probably be sticking with a 16 or 24 core HEDT.
That means having a core advantage unless the price tag allows, will be the ultimate deciding factor.
Not to mention the 5000 series TR has no PCI-E 5.0
So im waiting to see what Storm Peak has and the price it offers.

Also i'll be looking at the threadripper pro vs W-3400 series, as i want those delicious 128 & 118 PCI-E 5.0 lanes.
 
H433x0n said:
As always, it's the power draw holding it back and keeping the core's out of it's optimal performance region.
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intel's new design as said by others will make or break them going forward, because it's not just a matter of wattage used up during a processor load but heat given off.
 
DrMrLordX said:
Higher core count, same TDP, and higher boost? Maybe, assuming they've figured out some of the bugs/missteps that made power draw on Sapphire Rapids so bad.
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Even just moving to the Raptor Cove core + process and cutting out some EMIB traffic should give them a fair amount of headroom to work with. A few extra cores and more cache shouldn't be crazy.
 
According to MLID Raptor Lake-R will come with DLVR enabled for a 10-20% power consumption reduction which they will use for higher all core clock speeds.
 
aigomorla said:
Thats if you look at total package tho.

Im more looking at Core / Core performance, as i'll probably be sticking with a 16 or 24 core HEDT.
That means having a core advantage unless the price tag allows, will be the ultimate deciding factor.
Not to mention the 5000 series TR has no PCI-E 5.0
So im waiting to see what Storm Peak has and the price it offers.

Also i'll be looking at the threadripper pro vs W-3400 series, as i want those delicious 128 & 118 PCI-E 5.0 lanes.
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Most of those benchmarks come no where near being able to use all of the available cores though. So the threadripper cores would be outperforming the SPR cores, at least in the shown benchmarks.
 
Exist50 said:
Even just moving to the Raptor Cove core + process and cutting out some EMIB traffic should give them a fair amount of headroom to work with. A few extra cores and more cache shouldn't be crazy.
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It's the EMIB traffic that bears examination. Interconnect power draw for Sapphire Rapids has been abysmal.
 
Exist50 said:
Those are effectively the same.
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Yes and no. while watts are heat energy in the end your watt to heat ratio isn't always 1 to 1 when dealing with surface area and enclosure. smaller package higher heat while larger packager at same wattage easier to dissipate heat as an example. otherwise you are correct, but this concept has some ifs and butts when you look at external factors. i should stress a bigger surface area is one of many factors.
 
Geddagod said:
according to mlid, both n3e and n3b
To me, n3e seems like the clear choice for Intel for ARL, but who knows
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stop it. stop that right now. stop quoting mlid this and mlid that. that boy talks out of his rear 99% of the time and looks like a buffoon who shoved a boulder into his mouth from fred flintstone's rock quarry. if his words carried any weight his words would be capable of fertilizing the entire planet 20x over because he's so full of himself. whether it's mlid or that pavoratti frodo looking lad you lot need to stop posting their videos and opinions. or that james corden looking moron on youtube with the stupidly long intro. they all talk heaps of crap.
 
Geddagod said:
according to mlid, both n3e and n3b
To me, n3e seems like the clear choice for Intel for ARL, but who knows
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MLID is right exactly 0% of the time except when his random guesses happen to hit home.

He has no knowledge or insiders. Most of his information comes from educated guess work based on tweets, Intel's roadmap, Reddit, and forums like these. When he is wrong, he will sometimes even delete his own videos (or has in the past) to make it seem like he has a solid track record.

Don't listen to Youtubers. They often will try anything to get views in order to build an audience and get ad revenue. There are some quality folks you can follow on twitter and also here that will find information quite quickly. VideoCardz is another okay-ish source. MLID is not and will never be.

DrMrLordX said:
Looks like what Sapphire Rapids should have been all along. Though no launch for Emerald Rapids until Q4? Le sad face. Wonder what the power draw will be like.
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Me as well. TDP probably will be 350-400W, but we will see. I doubt they will be able to match Genoa in terms of efficiency (perf/watt), but at least they'll catch up to Milan (and hopefully outperform Milan, because SPR is laughable at best).
 
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