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Still A0. And it's still far away from 6Ghz rumor

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540262023145000960

these guys test it

Raptor Lake抢先驾到，13代酷睿CPU前瞻测试！_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

ES的测试成绩不作准，仅供参考。, 视频播放量 117395、弹幕量 321、点赞数 2655、投硬币枚数 175、收藏人数 259、转发人数 334, 视频作者 超能网, 作者简介 超能网, 科技生活第一站 ，相关视频：最弱鸡的12代CPU？【赛扬G6900快测及开盖】，酷睿Ultra X7 358H＆Ultra 5 338H首发评测：新王登基，英特尔官网确认12大核 Bartlett Lake 酷睿Core 200系列 | Intel CPU，【首发评测】Panther Lake能让英特尔扳回一城吗？联想小新Pro 16 GT AI元启版首发评测，【猛男快报】英特尔酷睿Ultra7...
www.bilibili.com www.bilibili.com
 
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cortexa99 said:
Still A0. And it's still far away from 6Ghz rumor

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540262023145000960

these guys test it

Raptor Lake抢先驾到，13代酷睿CPU前瞻测试！_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

ES的测试成绩不作准，仅供参考。, 视频播放量 117395、弹幕量 321、点赞数 2655、投硬币枚数 175、收藏人数 259、转发人数 334, 视频作者 超能网, 作者简介 超能网, 科技生活第一站 ，相关视频：最弱鸡的12代CPU？【赛扬G6900快测及开盖】，酷睿Ultra X7 358H＆Ultra 5 338H首发评测：新王登基，英特尔官网确认12大核 Bartlett Lake 酷睿Core 200系列 | Intel CPU，【首发评测】Panther Lake能让英特尔扳回一城吗？联想小新Pro 16 GT AI元启版首发评测，【猛男快报】英特尔酷睿Ultra7...
www.bilibili.com www.bilibili.com
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13th Gen Core Raptor Lake Performance Preview
20% increase in multi-thread performance at the same frequency of 3.8 Ghz

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[视频]13代酷睿Raptor Lake性能预览：同频下多线程性能提升20% - 超能网

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"In terms of games, the performance of the 13th generation ES seems to be slightly weaker than the 12th generation of the same frequency, but most of the gaps are small and within the error range. "



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nicalandia said:
13th Gen Core Raptor Lake Performance Preview
20% increase in multi-thread performance at the same frequency of 3.8 Ghz
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[视频]13代酷睿Raptor Lake性能预览：同频下多线程性能提升20% - 超能网

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"In terms of games, the performance of the 13th generation ES seems to be slightly weaker than the 12th generation of the same frequency, but most of the gaps are small and within the error range. "
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Since I can't read much of that, is it comparing 65 W Raptor Lake to 125 W Alder Lake?
 
igor_kavinski said:
If final silicon performs like that, boy is Intel in trouble!
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Well if they push this CPU(13900K) to 5.5 Ghz All core this beast will be pumping 38,000 Points in CBR23 and that is what is expected from a stock 7950X as well(38,000 points) but with much better thermals and OC headroom, also the gaming performance should be in favor of the 7950X
 
igor_kavinski said:
Geekbench 5

Rapydmark using the High setting
RapydMark for Windows (frikiscape.com)

Any other benchmarks that you would be interested in running for comparison with your older hardware.
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I'll put benchmarks in the Alder Lake thread when I get a chance. They will depend a lot on cooling performance of the machine, since that is a big issue with tiny computers. Initial benchmark tests before I have had the chance to clean up the HP junk or optimize anything: 7x to 13x faster than the computer that I was replacing (Lenovo Q190 with i3-2365M).
 
nelisonOnta said:
Intel processors are the most popular CPUs for desktops and laptops in the world. They're offered in a range of model families, with names like Core, Xeon, Pentium, and Celeron. They come in multiple generations like 9th, 10th, and 11th, also called Coffee Lake, Comet/Ice Lake, and Rocket/Tiger Lake.
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Seriously? You want your very first post on a tech forum to be that?
 
nicalandia said:
You can also add to that that ASML has yet to build a production 450mm machine and neither Intel nor TSCM will be fielding one before the end of the decade... So their 25 mm x 32 mm 800 mm^2 Monolithic die is just a pipe dream
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As someone else said, wafer sizes aren't a limit.

Nvidia already made a chip that's more than 850mm2 in size. So, only they'll be potentially in trouble?

The article does illustrate that it's not a straight porting or simply breaking up monolithic dies. It's possible a poorly executed design might end up having that issue.

igor_kavinski said:
If final silicon performs like that, boy is Intel in trouble!
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Yea so a good chance that it's not final silicon.
 
nicalandia said:
No, it's comparing 12900K vs 13900K ES(A0) at ISO Speed(not ISO Power) of 3.8 Ghz to make IPC comparisons.
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Not true, base speeds are different (<<50% alder lake), boost is same only on P-cores, but again will be different in practice because of power limit differences.

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Do note that the P-Cores for this engineering sample ran at a base clock of 1.4 GHz and a max boost clock of 3.8 GHz (P-Cores) while the E-Cores were split with 2 clusters running at 2.8 GHz and the other 2 clusters running at 1.0 GHz so we can already see some inconsistency in the clock speeds … In terms of performance, the single-core performance of Intel's Raptor Lake Core i9-13900 CPU is slower than the Alder Lake Core i9-12900K chip. This is because the Alder Lake CPU also has the full backing of an optimized BIOS and a higher TDP limit versus the Non-K Raptor Lake chip. And also, as said before, the clock speeds for the Raptor Lake CPU aren't stable.
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- https://wccftech.com/intel-raptor-l...aster-than-core-i9-12900k-in-multi-threading/
 
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igor_kavinski said:
If final silicon performs like that, boy is Intel in trouble!
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Eh. It's an ES. Sure they fixed them both to 3.8 GHz but something tells me the Raptor Lake isn't going to perform that way in an identical test at release.

igor_kavinski said:
You left out expensive, power hungry and mostly non-upgradable. And oh yeah, don't offer affordable ECC RAM setup option. Most important, lacking in performance per dollar and TCO for use cases involving lots of threads and PCIe lanes.
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scannall said:
Seriously? You want your very first post on a tech forum to be that?
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You're probably replying to a bot or astroturfer.
 
moinmoin said:
Honestly the amount of years isn't what gets me. It's that SPR once was supposed to be leaner.
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Well Sapphire Rapids vs ROME than Sapphire Rapids vs Genoa. It's a different ball game

It got Fatter with New and "Unnecessary" instructions(trying to carve niche market?). It's larger than it's desktop counterpart and it's bee delayed.
 
Question: We have seen a lot of dies and a couple of ES chips, but when will we see any real retail silicon from Intel, server, desktop or HEDT ?
 
My current expectation of client chips based on reliable leakers(read: NOT MLID, RGT, Adored)

Intel 7
Raptorlake-S: October 2022
Raptorlake-P/H: Jan 2023

Intel 4

Meteorlake-S Low/Mid: Q1 2024
Meteorlake-M 5W: Mid 2023
Meteorlake-P/H: Jan 2024

Intel 20A
Arrowlake-S: Mar 2024
 
IntelUser2000 said:
My current expectation of client chips based on reliable leakers(read: NOT MLID, RGT, Adored)

Intel 7
Raptorlake-S: October 2022
Raptorlake-P/H: Jan 2023

Intel 4

Meteorlake-S Low/Mid: Q1 2024
Meteorlake-M 5W: Mid 2023
Meteorlake-P/H: Jan 2024

Intel 20A
Arrowlake-S: Mar 2024
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Thanks ! But for those of us that don't have it memorized, what is the usage of each of those ? Like desktop, server, laptop/mobile, HEDT
 
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