Orthogonal to the (off-topic) conversation, which is Zen3. N7+ is confirmed. Post in the relevant thread if you need more information, that is all. I don't know what else you're going on about other than to argue for arguement's sake. What does any of that have to do with AMD dragging their heels on Zen3?
Nonsense. AMD is only launching two SKUs in October. Staying "on cadence" would have been August/September 2020.
March 2017 - Zen1
April 2018 - Zen+
July 2019 - Zen2
August/Sept 2020 - Nothing!
We won't get the full stack of Vermeer parts until Nov/Dec. AMD can afford to slack because Intel is flopping about uselessly, offering no competition.
If you think that's "okay" then go crow about how great it is that AMD's cadence went from 13 months to 15 months to 17 months for the full stack of products (down to 6c parts anyway; AM4 4c parts have been on delayed launch since 2017).
If Intel were able to launch Golden Cove this year, none of this would be happening. Zen3 would be out sooner, the full stack would be here sooner, the XT launch would never have happened, and we'd get the full Zen3 stack instead of just two high-end SKUs. And the prices on Zen3 would probably mirror those for Zen2 - $499 for the 12c part and $749 for the 16c part. If not less if Intel really pushed them on price. Intel is screwing everyone with their delayed launches - not just Intel's customers.
Wake me when they decide to actually sell products based on those architectures.
Sadly, this is getting a bit off-topic, so if you really want to argue that AMD is just knocking it out of the park and everything's perfectly fine, again, take it to the Zen3/Ryzen 4000 thread and address me there. Thank you.
I hope they don't plan on any more backport products aside from Rocket Lake. Golden Cove on 14nm would be a bit of a mess, wouldn't it?
OK, normally this is where I'd inundate you with articles throughout the entire tech press, but I've gotten warnings whenever I do that and it is not from Anandtech, so I will try to make this easy for you to understand:
1) Intel deciding not to backport until 2019, while also not recognizing the report of the engineer that told them to but was ignored, then saying their architecture means nothing because it cannot be released due to not having the manufacturing process ready, along with the reports that Keller may have left due to saying just get the products out the door using TSMC until it gets straightened out, belittles their innovation during the time by other groups. You just care do you have a product in hand. You do not care about the sausage making. You just want the sausage to shove in your mouth once finished being made.
2) You assume that unless competition is happening all the time, especially when AMD finally takes the final crowns on performance, that this absolutely is stagnation. How? Because even though one firm overtook another firm, it must all be standing still, except standing still would leave relative positioning, but don't think too deeply on that.
3) YOU are who artificially limited all discussion to only be Zen 3. But even with that, let's assume they will not have a separate I/O die on 7nm for any product. Let's not discuss that the APUs lag by a generation. Let's not discuss AMD not owning their own fab and having to balance their fab time for console products, GPUs to compete with Nvidia releasing in September, and CPUs all in the same quarter. Let's ignore all these converging situations.
Not only that, let's ignore that for Zen, only the 8 core dropped in March and the rest of the SKUs released in April and finished in May. Let's ignore similar happened with Zen + with the April release and the bulk dropping in May. Let's ignore that supplies were limited for Zen 2 in July, or that the higher core count SKUs, the true high end mainstream SKUs, didn't arrive UNTIL NOVEMBER.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15043/the-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-review-16-cores-on-7nm-with-pcie-40
Let's ignore all of these things that show only a couple SKUs drop at release and the rest of the lineup is fleshed out later, something Intel also does, and the dropping of multiple other products around the same time, all to shoehorn in the belief of stagnation.
16 months, for the record, is getting something out of the door around November. Sure, they have been better at the 14 month cadence, which would be a September product, but they also announced their graphics card is dropping first, which is needed to deal with the larger threat of Nvidia at this moment. But you don't want to mention that.
Further, you are believing rumors on Zen 3 pricing without any proof of a price increase. Even AMD is saying if you have Zen 2, do not buy these lines of new releases (edit: meaning XT). Think about that. A company saying don't buy a product. It almost fully matches GN's prediction this was to take up space on performance graphs.
But you do you, boo.