Question Intel Core i9-10980XE Can Hit Up To 5.1 GHz OC Across All Cores with "Standard Water Cooling"

[nicalandia]

Intel's Flagship HEDT Core i9-10980XE 'Cascade Lake X' CPU Can Hit Up To 5.1 GHz OC Across All Cores

Intel's upcoming Core i9 10980XE CPU is going to be their flagship HEDT part and the company has just recently slashed pricing to make it competitive to AMD. A report by PCGamesN reveals however that the flagship SKU, the Core i9 10980XE, can actually hit 5.1 GHz across all cores with a standard...

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Is that with the 1 HP Water Chiller that was used before?

Intel: We 'Forgot' to Mention 28-Core, 5-GHz CPU Demo Was Overclocked

We met with Intel and asked a few pointed questions about its now-infamous 28-core CPU demo.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[DrMrLordX]

I just looked up the MO-RA3. It looks to be a 3x3 (9 140mm fans) rad, with copper tubes and aluminum fins, "optimised specifically for low-rpm fans." Works, huh?

Oh yeah, it works. It's also completely ridiculous. But if you want a 5 Ghz 18c 14nm chip, well, there's an option. Or you can chain together some thick 560mm rads which actually gives you more capacity - and more loop resistance.

 

[dlerious]

I just looked up the MO-RA3. It looks to be a 3x3 (9 140mm fans) rad, with copper tubes and aluminum fins, "optimised specifically for low-rpm fans." Works, huh?

It's also available in 9x120mm (MO-RA3 360). You can get a bracket for the 420 that lets you use 4x 180-230mm. Gamers Nexus video

 

[Atari2600]

With a radiator like that, would you not be almost at the point of routing to an external (outside) radiator?

Hmmm, I wonder has anyone built a heat exchanger for that...

PC -- PC cooling loop -- HX -- external cooling loop --- External radiator

If it were designed right, you could probably hook multiple PCs up to a single loop through the one heat exchanger.

Wouldn't be worth it for most home users, but if you were the likes of Mark or had a small render farm in a home office/office...

*Goes off to see if anyone has done it*

 

[DrMrLordX]

With a radiator like that, would you not be almost at the point of routing to an external (outside) radiator?

You can buy feet for the MO-RA3 to use it as an external rad. That's what I did.

edit: oh you mean one outside the house/building? If you can bore holes in the wall, sure. I didn't go that far.

 

[amrnuke]

You can buy feet for the MO-RA3 to use it as an external rad. That's what I did.

edit: oh you mean one outside the house/building? If you can bore holes in the wall, sure. I didn't go that far.

At that point, just hook your loop into your home's HVAC expansion line.

 

[DrMrLordX]

At that point, just hook your loop into your home's HVAC expansion line.

Either that, or if you have a geocooling set up (ideal!) then tap into the cold line(s) for instant 17C goodness.

 

[Ajay]

Either that, or if you have a geocooling set up (ideal!) then tap into the cold line(s) for instant 17C goodness.

Hey people used to do that, I remember seeing it on the hard forums. They buried ~100 gallon fiberglass tanks something like 8 feet down. Crazy stuff!

 

[Ranulf]

With a radiator like that, would you not be almost at the point of routing to an external (outside) radiator?

Hmmm, I wonder has anyone built a heat exchanger for that...

PC -- PC cooling loop -- HX -- external cooling loop --- External radiator

If it were designed right, you could probably hook multiple PCs up to a single loop through the one heat exchanger.

Wouldn't be worth it for most home users, but if you were the likes of Mark or had a small render farm in a home office/office...

*Goes off to see if anyone has done it*

Heh, see Linus Tech Tips' full room water cooling setup from a couple of years ago.

 

[Ajay]

For a "launched" product, it's conspicuously absent from retail channels. I don't even see it listed as a product on distributors' websites.

Isn't it expected to be shipping in November?

I thought they were due end of October. Anyway, Intel pulled in the launch date, they talked about it over at Gamer Nexus.
What surprises me, is that the new chips have been released - but there are NO reviews!

 

[DrMrLordX]

What surprises me, is that the new chips have been released - but there are NO reviews!

Reviewers would likely not be too kind to this product. Though interestingly-enough, they'll be less kind to it in a month or two. So. Hmm.

 

[Ajay]

Reviewers would likely not be too kind to this product. Though interestingly-enough, they'll be less kind to it in a month or two. So. Hmm.

Probably not. They are only competitive overclocked, but then the power draw (as mentioned) is huge.

Edit: Well, not as huge as I thought. It really high in Prime95/AVX, but I don't "play" prime (oh and with AVX on, does prime use AVX512?).
Here's the Aida stress test number for the previous gen, which I think is more reasonable.

 

[DrMrLordX]

(oh and with AVX on, does prime use AVX512?).

Apparently so:

SkylakeX teasers (aka prime95 29.5) - mersenneforum.org

If you own a Skylake-X machine (or a Xeon supporting AVX-512) and you are feeling brave then Prime95 version 29.5 build 2 supporting AVX-512 is available. This is not heavily tested but ought to work. Doing a double-check or Gerbicz PRP might be wise. Let me know if you find bugs or it is not...

mersenneforum.org

 

[jpiniero]

Reviewers would likely not be too kind to this product. Though interestingly-enough, they'll be less kind to it in a month or two. So. Hmm.

Intel is pretty obviously focusing on the OEM market. I think you'll see reviews but not until the retail release.

 

[Kenmitch]

With a room temp of 67 I can run blender at 174 watts or 50GHz with vcore 1.31v I hit 70 with only one of 3 radiator fans maxed out.
Now summer time next to small ac would be close to 85c.

50GHz....You'd have the biggest epeen in the universe!

 

[Ajay]

Intel is pretty obviously focusing on the OEM market. I think you'll see reviews but not until the retail release.

Huh, the 'W' series aren’t doing well?

 

[Ajay]

Apparently so:

SkylakeX teasers (aka prime95 29.5) - mersenneforum.org

If you own a Skylake-X machine (or a Xeon supporting AVX-512) and you are feeling brave then Prime95 version 29.5 build 2 supporting AVX-512 is available. This is not heavily tested but ought to work. Doing a double-check or Gerbicz PRP might be wise. Let me know if you find bugs or it is not...

mersenneforum.org

Thanks, with AVX 512, Prime becomes a power virus. Still, CLX is a power hog at even moderate overclocks.

 

[TheGiant]

Thanks, with AVX 512, Prime becomes a power virus. Still, CLX is a power hog at even moderate overclocks.

well its not that fair to compare full core overclock with avx512, we see what avx2 muscles do with ryzen 3k lineup, and avx512 is much worse in power

what I am interested in is power progress
we have this lineup here from 2017 (skl-x), so in 2017 I could get a 12C and oc it to 4,5GHz and get the current 3900X performance (except gaming) for about 330W wall power while avx2 load, ofc more with 512 load- some of it is about pci lanes and 4ch and the board itself so lets say 300W

my 3900X consumes 240W average, not that much as difference I hoped in 2019 with 7nm...but better and much better gaming than skl-x

IMO this is the last cry of skylake, but with quite good marketing from Intel as usual

but IMO the whole classic HEDT is dead thanks to 3900X and 3950X ...and the new ones like TR3x lineup will become much less popular..but thats AMD decision

 

[Ajay]

but IMO the whole classic HEDT is dead thanks to 3900X and 3950X ...and the new ones like TR3x lineup will become much less popular..but thats AMD decision

I think you are right. As an owner of an (ancient) HEDT systems, they still have a place in my heart (most emotional). Anyway, I guess that's why AMD came up with the bifurcated HEDT system lineup - one for consumers and two for professional use cases (anything greater than 32 cores will require NUMA aware software).

 

[Markfw]

I think you are right. As an owner of an (ancient) HEDT systems, they still have a place in my heart (most emotional). Anyway, I guess that's why AMD came up with the bifurcated HEDT system lineup - one for consumers and two for professional use cases (anything greater than 32 cores will require NUMA aware software).

Well, for one, linux works perfectly, and no special setup or drivers. Of course thats with only 32 cores and 64 threads.

 

[Ajay]

Well, for one, linux works perfectly, and no special setup or drivers. Of course thats with only 32 cores and 64 threads.

Yeah, for TR Gen3 (as with Rome), there are Two NUMA domains above 32 cores. Most OSes can already handle that, most consumer applications cannot. Anyway, won't matter to me, it unlikely I'll buy any beyond 12 cores.

 

[KentState]

If this can reach 5.1 on all cores, is there anything that would make it a worse performing part over the 9900k at the same speed?

Also, is the ASUS ROG RAMPAGE VI EXTRME OMEGA a good match for the 10980xe? Tempted to build something new this year.

 

[Mopetar]

With the rumored price cuts, this isn't as terrible as people make it out to be. The value still isn't as good as you can get with Ryzen for most workloads, but I would imagine that this will still sell to gaming enthusiasts where having the fastest single thread (or a few very fast single threads) matters.

Getting something like that to 5.1 GHz on all cores is similar impressive. Yes, it's being pushed well beyond its efficient operating frequency, but from an enthusiast perspective just being able to shove that much voltage into the chip and getting it to POST is fun.

I think it was Anand who said there's no bad products, just bad prices. If you're an Intel fan or want to have a CPU that handles big multi-thread workloads but still want something that won't sacrifice gaming performance, it's hard to argue against this, especially since you get it at a price far lower than you ever could have before.

Yeah it's not for everybody, but no product ever is.

 

[john3850]

50GHz....You'd have the biggest epeen in the universe!

Tks I fixed the 50 to 5GHz

 

[scannall]

If this can reach 5.1 on all cores, is there anything that would make it a worse performing part over the 9900k at the same speed?

Also, is the ASUS ROG RAMPAGE VI EXTRME OMEGA a good match for the 10980xe? Tempted to build something new this year.

Worse at the same clocks. Uses mesh for memory, like Zen. 9900K uses Ringbus.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Huh, the 'W' series aren’t doing well?

If you're referring to the W3175, it's limited release with similarly limited interest. I think there's only one board that can handle that thing.

If this can reach 5.1 on all cores, is there anything that would make it a worse performing part over the 9900k at the same speed?

@scannall already answered correctly (mesh), but also keep in mind that Cascade Lake-X also has a different cache alignment that may not be favorable to consumer-level application performance (e.g. games). Even if you manage to overclock the mesh on Cascade Lake-X, you still have to deal with the weird cache. If you are looking to play games then the 9900k should be faster.