Intel Comet Lake Thread

[inf64]

This whole lineup is just DOA.Only people who just prefer intel and have money to burn will buy Comet Lake over Ryzen 3000. This situation saddens me as I was hoping for cheaper Ryzen parts but seeing how hopeless intel is, there is no way AMD will lower their prices any time soon.

 

[Markfw]

<snip> There are people who prefer Intel over AMD

To prefer a band over another with no logical reason is not very smart IMO.... Especially when the logical reason to buy the other brand is performance, price/performance, efficiency and they just "prefer to get less for their money... just because.

But hey, its their money they are wasting.

 

[RetroZombie]

There are people who prefer Intel over AMD, and for those people the 25%+ performance will be well worth their investment.

For those people a better investment is to stay away from intel, and if they really want intel just wait for them to release something that is actually good to buy.

 

[moinmoin]

What has AMD done in that time span?

TDP*1.35 = PPT
Maybe you can come up with a number for Intel?

 

[Zucker2k]

TDP*1.35 = PPT
Maybe you can come up with a number for Intel? ***

Is that at a fixed temperature?

All modern chips are designed to be opportunistic; race to finish and retire. I won't be mad at that. We all know these big power consumption numbers are only going to be seen with power virus stress-testing scenarios, and AVX loads, and even in those scenarios, the cpu should throttle back to tdp (pl1) numbers.

Edit: It's also worth mentioning, that with 50% power advantage of TSMC 7nm over Intel 14nm, irrc, Intel's PPT could technically be calculated as (Zen 2's) TDP*1.35 (1.5).

 

[AmericanLocomotive]

Is that at a fixed temperature?

All modern chips are designed to be opportunistic; race to finish and retire. I won't be mad at that. We all know these big power consumption numbers are only going to be seen with power virus stress-testing scenarios, and AVX loads, and even in those scenarios, the cpu should throttle back to tdp (pl1) numbers.

Edit: It's also worth mentioning, that with 50% power advantage of TSMC 7nm over Intel 14nm, irrc, Intel's PPT could technically be calculated as (Zen 2's) TDP*1.35 (1.5).

AMD's PPT is a hard limit. A stock Ryzen CPU will not exceed the PPT under any circumstance. If you cool the CPU down more, it will boost higher - but still not exceed the PPT. An i9900k will hapilly plow a sustained 160+ watts during rendering/encoding tasks provided you keep it cool enough. Intel doesn't have a PPT (at least like AMD does) because the motherboards appear to just supply as much power as they can to the CPU.

Then you have modern games like Half Life: Alyx that actually push CPUs to their limits. Alyx is borderline unplayable on quad-core CPUs. You basically need a 6c or 8c to run it at 144 Hz. You're going to start seeing these CPUs push very high power even in gaming loads.

 

[Markfw]

Is that at a fixed temperature?

All modern chips are designed to be opportunistic; race to finish and retire. I won't be mad at that. We all know these big power consumption numbers are only going to be seen with power virus stress-testing scenarios, and AVX loads, and even in those scenarios, the cpu should throttle back to tdp (pl1) numbers.

Edit: It's also worth mentioning, that with 50% power advantage of TSMC 7nm over Intel 14nm, irrc, Intel's PPT could technically be calculated as (Zen 2's) TDP*1.35 (1.5).

NO, just NO. You can't calculate Intels PPT, you just have to capture it with a tool.

 

[AtenRa]

This whole lineup is just DOA.Only people who just prefer intel and have money to burn will buy Comet Lake over Ryzen 3000. This situation saddens me as I was hoping for cheaper Ryzen parts but seeing how hopeless intel is, there is no way AMD will lower their prices any time soon.

From the $100 to $350 the new Intel CPUs are very competitive against all Ryzen 3000 in the same budget, except in power consumption and that is not that big of a concern for many.

Example, the new Core i3 lineup is faster in gaming than any Ryzen 1600AF/2600 at the same price points.
the new Core i5 10400F is extremely competitive against Ryzen 3600 both in gaming and MT productivity workloads at the same price point.

And the new Core i7 10700F will be competitive against Ryzen 3700X and 3800X.

 

[coercitiv]

the new Core i5 10400F is extremely competitive against Ryzen 3600 both in gaming and MT productivity workloads at the same price point.

Can't wait to see the 10400F reviewed with it's stock 65W TDP cooler, especially if mobo makers don't enforce TDP.

I hope they switched them to STIM at least.

 

[chrisjames61]

From the $100 to $350 the new Intel CPUs are very competitive against all Ryzen 3000 in the same budget, except in power consumption and that is not that big of a concern for many.

Example, the new Core i3 lineup is faster in gaming than any Ryzen 1600AF/2600 at the same price points.
the new Core i5 10400F is extremely competitive against Ryzen 3600 both in gaming and MT productivity workloads at the same price point.

And the new Core i7 10700F will be competitive against Ryzen 3700X and 3800X.

I am sure AMD will adjust pricing accordingly when the time comes. Also again, you need to invest in a new motherboard. As far as i3's? Who in their right mind would buy a four core cpu when the current I5's have trouble in certain games with consistent frame rates. So "faster in gaming" is not true as far as consistent frame rates.

 

[Ravenfeeder]

What's the point in the trailing two zeros in the product name? It provides no product differentiation whatsoever. It would be much easier to just use i9-109K etc.

 

[Markfw]

What's the point in the trailing two zeros in the product name? It provides no product differentiation whatsoever. It would be much easier to just use i9-109K etc.

Marketing. 9900k was last gen, so this gen has to be named 10000 or more.

 

[NTMBK]

At what point are Intel going to do a branding reset? Their naming is becoming just as laughable as their product lineup.

I suspect that once they finally get 7nm products working, we're going to see a whole new brand name. Similar to how AMD had to ditch Opteron after the Bulldozer disaster, and Intel had to ditch Pentium after Prescott, I think the iWhatever brand will be tarnished.

 

[RetroZombie]

Example, the new Core i3 lineup is faster in gaming than any Ryzen 1600AF/2600 at the same price points.

On very old games for sure, but even that with os eating more resources every day, that excuse no longer sticks.

 

[RetroZombie]

Some observations, analysis and memes of the intel slides specially this one:

NEW Up to 5.4 GHz with Intel Thermal Velocity Boost
Sounds like some kind of technology that allows the cpu to overheat very fast.
Want high temperatures as fast as possible? yes then all you need is to Boost into Thermal Velocity.

NEW Intel Hyperthreading Tecnology across Intel Core i9 to i3
Lets brag about something that we removed that didn’t need to remove so we put it back again as new.

NEW Up to 10 cores with 20M Intel Smart Cache
What's next 12 cores? Competition is at 16, someone please tell them.

NEW Intel 400 Series Chipset
That nobody would like to have to buy, why invest in something that is actually the same since the H61/Z67 chipsets released in 2011?

Around 60% of games are optimized for single core
I still play with my zx spectrum, commodore 64, amiga, Atari. I confirm all games are single core.

Better performance required to drive high framerates, a foundation element of achieving lower latency – this is where frequency matters
Intel 7nm/10nm future marketing material: Not all GHz are created equal, forget about 5.3Ghz when 4.0GHz is so good.

Per-core HT Disable/Enable
Disable something usefull because…

All Core K and non-K series (except F-models) feature Intel UHD Graphics 630
6 years old gpu, yuppie!

 

[jpiniero]

I am sure AMD will adjust pricing accordingly when the time comes. Also again, you need to invest in a new motherboard. As far as i3's? Who in their right mind would buy a four core cpu when the current I5's have trouble in certain games with consistent frame rates. So "faster in gaming" is not true as far as consistent frame rates.

There shouldn't be any issues with the 6C6T models, it's the 4C4T that have issues. The 3300X should easily beat any Ridges for instance if it can hold the frequency.

 

[randomhero]

From the $100 to $350 the new Intel CPUs are very competitive against all Ryzen 3000 in the same budget, except in power consumption and that is not that big of a concern for many.

Example, the new Core i3 lineup is faster in gaming than any Ryzen 1600AF/2600 at the same price points.
the new Core i5 10400F is extremely competitive against Ryzen 3600 both in gaming and MT productivity workloads at the same price point.

And the new Core i7 10700F will be competitive against Ryzen 3700X and 3800X.

I simply don't see it.
Those prices are tray 1k.You will never see them retail. They will still be overpriced for what they are.

 

[mopardude87]

This whole lineup is just DOA.Only people who just prefer intel and have money to burn will buy Comet Lake over Ryzen 3000. This situation saddens me as I was hoping for cheaper Ryzen parts but seeing how hopeless intel is, there is no way AMD will lower their prices any time soon.

I almost folded on one of their 8 core chips cause of supply issues on decent x570 boards on newegg but i trucked on through and got lucky and picked up a GB x570, some 3600mhz memory and a 3900x last night.

Man i am beyond hyped, this will be my first official amd build since 2010 with the x2 555 build i had. 🙂 Ironically i hope my experience with the GB mobo is better then my last though as i used same brand with the x2 555. I had issues getting a gtx560 working in the damn thing yet as it refused to post and yes it did work but somehow a 6770 worked without issue?

 

[chrisjames61]

There shouldn't be any issues with the 6C6T models, it's the 4C4T that have issues. The 3300X should easily beat any Ridges for instance if it can hold the frequency.

There have been issues. All you have to do is watch Hardware Unboxed or Gamers Nexus gaming benchmarks. The i5's have average framerates take huge dips in some cpu bound games while the R5 3600 does not have that sort of a problem.

 

[chrisjames61]

At what point are Intel going to do a branding reset? Their naming is becoming just as laughable as their product lineup.

I suspect that once they finally get 7nm products working, we're going to see a whole new brand name. Similar to how AMD had to ditch Opteron after the Bulldozer disaster, and Intel had to ditch Pentium after Prescott, I think the iWhatever brand will be tarnished.

I must admit that this is warranted. 10th Gen? It actually leaves the distinct impression you are rehashing the same old thing about a half dozen times too many. Then the actual naming? "Core i9-10980HK" I mean who can remember that? Don't get me started on all the different and confusing sku's.

 

[jpiniero]

There have been issues. All you have to do is watch Hardware Unboxed or Gamers Nexus gaming benchmarks. The i5's have average framerates take huge dips in some cpu bound games while the R5 3600 does not have that sort of a problem.

I'd have to watch the videos but I reckon the issue is more stock memory speed than anything else. 5 Ghz 8600K/9600K with 3200 memory should be faster in pretty much every game out there.

 

[IEC]

I'd say the sentiment here that this is a worthless launch is overblown.

There is a saying "There are no bad products, just bad prices". Even the much-derided (and rightfully so) Bulldozer-based CPUs eventually found a following as a budget option.

Maybe in the short run there may not be great deals due to supply constraints, but I expect market prices to eventually hit reasonable values. And this is no Bulldozer launch, despite sharing similarities in terms of being past the optimal point on the efficiency curve.

 

[blckgrffn]

I'd have to watch the videos but I reckon the issue is more stock memory speed than anything else. 5 Ghz 8600K/9600K with 3200 memory should be faster in pretty much every game out there.

Using twice the power, and facing a console generation that is going to 16 threads... running with a manual overclock and memory that is outside of max specifications might be able to beat a stock 3600 on minimum frame rates? Woo!

 

[Genx87]

On temperature? 😛

I dont care about the temp. Cooling has a come a long ways in the last 2 decades.

 

[jpiniero]

Using twice the power, and facing a console generation that is going to 16 threads...

Sorta meta, but unfortunately it does look like there will be very few games released any time soon that are next gen console only. I don't know how much effort devs are going to put into distributing the threads better when they have to support the PS4/XBX anyway.