So... the dood says =>
7nm i7/i9/Xeon w/ DDR5-5600
(It will be using the 7nm Multi-die Fabric Interface(Ring for cores(not MDFI), Mesh for chiplets(MDFI)))
late 2020 sampling and mid-2021 shipping
So... the dood says =>
7nm i7/i9/Xeon w/ DDR5-5600
(It will be using the 7nm Multi-die Fabric Interface(Ring for cores(not MDFI), Mesh for chiplets(MDFI)))
late 2020 sampling and mid-2021 shipping
I agree, 2022 is the year where Intel could put everything together and strike back.2. Neither Sunny nor Willow is relevant in servers, so why does this matter? By the time they are, Zen 3/Zen4 will be in place (respectively), and AMD's server lineup will still have cores that are on-par at worst, as well as nearly twice as many in a lower TDP package than Ice Lake-SP. And if Ice Lake-U has shown us anything, it's that Sunny Cove on 10nm is a very, very minor improvement in power efficiency over heavily refined Skylake on 14nm. What Intel gain in IPC is mostly dropped in clocks whilst power draw remains almost identical.
Granite Rapids is where Intel has a chance again, so you're not wrong with Golden Cove. Just... Golden Cove in servers is 2022, it's competing with Zen 5. We're yet to see how that goes.
Almost everything you say is complete delusion.I agree, 2022 is the year where Intel could put everything together and strike back.
AMD has clear advantage in high core count server CPU, no doubt about that. However Intel has huge monolithic 28c cores with shared L3 cache (AMD is behind in development L3 ring bus cache, Zen3 should have that finaly) and this type of CPU is better in certain HPC load (CFD doesn't scale well). There are many applications where 28core at 5GHz is twice as fast than 64c Rome at 2.6 GHz. Nobody cares about 1000W consumption (SW license and engineer hour cost is 1000x higher).
Also 10nm production can be solved faster than everybody think. There is only one suplier for EUV machines: ASML. When Intel buys those machines then problem is solved because Intel struggles with last DUV. And they can move to 7nm EUV (equal to 5nm TSMC) almost in the same time as TSMC to 5nm. And this could be 10nm EUV (equal to 7nm+ TSMC) in 2021 Alder Lake (Golden Cove) and 7nm EUV in 2022. IMHO EUV will solve all Intel's production problems. This means AMD's advantage will be gone.
Anyway, Apple has +83% higher IPC using 6xALU wide core, so who cares about single digits advantage in some slow prehistoric 4xALU core. AMD and Intel should race for first 6xALU core in x86 world and bring those +50% IPC. They should challenge these ultimate Apple cores not each other.
That is just bogus information.One thing I have heard second hand from Fortune 100 companies is that they may not switch to AMD because of the lack of support for storage class memory for some workloads.
AMD has clear advantage in high core count server CPU, no doubt about that. However Intel has huge monolithic 28c cores with shared L3 cache (AMD is behind in development L3 ring bus cache, Zen3 should have that finaly) and this type of CPU is better in certain HPC load (CFD doesn't scale well). There are many applications where 28core at 5GHz is twice as fast than 64c Rome at 2.6 GHz. Nobody cares about 1000W consumption (SW license and engineer hour cost is 1000x higher).
Also 10nm production can be solved faster than everybody think. There is only one suplier for EUV machines: ASML. When Intel buys those machines then problem is solved because Intel struggles with last DUV. And they can move to 7nm EUV (equal to 5nm TSMC) almost in the same time as TSMC to 5nm. And this could be 10nm EUV (equal to 7nm+ TSMC) in 2021 Alder Lake (Golden Cove) and 7nm EUV in 2022. IMHO EUV will solve all Intel's production problems. This means AMD's advantage will be gone.
Anyway, Apple has +83% higher IPC using 6xALU wide core, so who cares about single digits advantage in some slow prehistoric 4xALU core. AMD and Intel should race for first 6xALU core in x86 world and bring those +50% IPC. They should challenge these ultimate Apple cores not each other.
Anyway, Apple has +83% higher IPC using 6xALU wide core, so who cares about single digits advantage in some slow prehistoric 4xALU core. AMD and Intel should race for first 6xALU core in x86 world and bring those +50% IPC. They should challenge these ultimate Apple cores not each other.
However Intel has huge monolithic 28c cores with shared L3 cache (AMD is behind in development L3 ring bus cache, Zen3 should have that finaly)
Your statement on the 28c @5.0 ghz is something NOBODY will or has done, except Intel on the one demo they got called out on.. Why do you even bring this crap up ?I agree, 2022 is the year where Intel could put everything together and strike back.
AMD has clear advantage in high core count server CPU, no doubt about that. However Intel has huge monolithic 28c cores with shared L3 cache (AMD is behind in development L3 ring bus cache, Zen3 should have that finaly) and this type of CPU is better in certain HPC load (CFD doesn't scale well). There are many applications where 28core at 5GHz is twice as fast than 64c Rome at 2.6 GHz. Nobody cares about 1000W consumption (SW license and engineer hour cost is 1000x higher).
Also 10nm production can be solved faster than everybody think. There is only one suplier for EUV machines: ASML. When Intel buys those machines then problem is solved because Intel struggles with last DUV. And they can move to 7nm EUV (equal to 5nm TSMC) almost in the same time as TSMC to 5nm. And this could be 10nm EUV (equal to 7nm+ TSMC) in 2021 Alder Lake (Golden Cove) and 7nm EUV in 2022. IMHO EUV will solve all Intel's production problems. This means AMD's advantage will be gone.
Anyway, Apple has +83% higher IPC using 6xALU wide core, so who cares about single digits advantage in some slow prehistoric 4xALU core. AMD and Intel should race for first 6xALU core in x86 world and bring those +50% IPC. They should challenge these ultimate Apple cores not each other.
Please tell me you're kiddingI love how everyone is talking about how AVX 512 is so niche, but Intel sold $3.5 billion worth of chips in 2019 solely for use in AI. AMD had $6.5 billion in revenue in 2018, and will probably be at less than $10 billion for 2019. Intel's AVX 512 DL library is one of the main drivers of Xeon scalable growth.
"Several years ago, we began a transformation to reposition the company to take advantage of the data revolution that is reshaping computing," CEO Bob Swan said in the earnings call. "We are accelerating growth by expanding the capabilities of our workload-optimized platforms and playing a larger role in our customers' success. Demand for our Intel Xeon Scalable processors is very strong as customers continue to make Xeon the foundation for their AI-infused data center workloads."Please tell me you're kidding
AVX512VNNI instructions are used to accelerate DL inference workloads.Outside of bfloat16, what does AVX512 have to do with deep learning?
Basically, a bunch a matrix math. Not sure what else.Outside of bfloat16, what does AVX512 have to do with deep learning?
VPDPBUSD | Multiply and add unsigned and signed bytes |
VPDPBUSDS | Multiply and add unsigned and signed bytes with saturation |
VPDPWSSD | Multiply and add signed word integers |
VPDPWSSDS | Multiply and add word integers with saturation |
It's the driving force behind Intel's enterprise revenue. I've learned that here today.lets not get to carried away with what VNNI is :
VPDPBUSD Multiply and add unsigned and signed bytes VPDPBUSDS Multiply and add unsigned and signed bytes with saturation VPDPWSSD Multiply and add signed word integers VPDPWSSDS Multiply and add word integers with saturation
Ah yes, please tell us of your vast expertise in Intel's financial details. I'm sure you can refute Bob Swan with your decades of knowledge. Please enlighten us on how AI isnt driving the growth of Xeon Scalable Processors.It's the driving force behind Intel's enterprise revenue. I've learned that here today.
The fact that liahos liked your comment, negates every need to even try to argue with you, so like I said, you're right and intel's AVX512 AI instructions are the main driving force there. Why even bother talking to me when I have no expertise?Ah yes, please tell us of your vast expertise in Intel's financial details. I'm sure you can refute Bob Swan with your decades of knowledge. Please enlighten us on how AI isnt driving the growth of Xeon Scalable Processors.
They should, "Core" is the most ridiculous marketing term I have ever seen a semi-conductor company use.I think that when/if Intel solves its problems and finally releases a significantly better desktop processor than what AMD has, they will drop the Core brand and use something new
Depends how long that takes, and how far AMD is able to pull ahead in the interim. For the time being at least, the Core name hasn't been rendered as toxic as the Pentium (4) brand had become by 2006.I think that when/if Intel solves its problems and finally releases a significantly better desktop processor than what AMD has, they will drop the Core brand and use something new
Yeah but the 10900K vs Zen 3 should make it uglyDepends how long that takes, and how far AMD is able to pull ahead in the interim. For the time being at least, the Core name hasn't been rendered as toxic as the Pentium (4) brand had become by 2006.