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nenforcer

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Might be good to separate the launch of it with Arrow Lake Refresh.
All the information I've read about including this thread says a Q3 2025 launch window which is July, August and September. If these chips are going to launch at all for consumer motherboards its got to be announced pretty soon probably by the end of this month. That leaves Q4 2025 October, November and December for the Arrow Lake Refresh chips.
 
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Kontron also claims to support the current hybrid Bartlett Lake-S on B660 Chipset based K3843-B. That board also supports the E suffix CPUs too.

So very likely than even if Bartlett Lake doesn't launch for desktop, it actually works anyways.
 
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nenforcer

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Thats confirmation that these Bartlett Lake chips exist and are originally intended for the NEX Networking and Edge group.


Its very unusual for Intel to release consumer products for a nearly 4 year old LGA1700 platform. They are usually only about pushing the latest chips on the newest platform. The fact that the Core 5 120F exists at all tells me there will be some sort of consumer launch of either rebranded Alder Lake or hopefully Bartlett Lake chips sometime in the near future.

The Arrow Lake refresh is only suppose to be 3 chips AFAIK a Core 5 K Ultra, Core 7 K Ultra and a Core 9 K Ultra with boosted clocks just the K series chips. This would be rather underwhelming for their big 2025 release window so I'm hoping there will be more to it. The Intel Technology Tour 2025 is supposedly coming to my hometown Phoenix in late September at the end of Q3. If nothing has been announced by then I'm going to try and attend and ask what is going on.
 
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The Intel Technology Tour 2025 is supposedly coming to my hometown Phoenix in late September at the end of Q3. If nothing has been announced by then I'm going to try and attend and ask what is going on.
Rooting for you!

But my money is on the fact that Intel has seen what AMD has got going with AM4 and they see clearly that money is to be made by selling old technology as new, even though they tried to make fun of AMD's approach in a leaked marketing presentation. It's just common sense what AMD is doing and they have learned to be smarter with their SKU selling decisions due to coming so close to dying.

Not everyone wants or can afford the latest and greatest. Bartlett Lake could be "fixed" silicon exhibiting none of the issues that 13th/14th became infamous for. It could end up saving Intel if they ran decent ads showing how much people/corporations could save on the cost of a new platform by just upgrading their existing LGA1700 platform to Bartlett Lake CPUs and get an extra 5 years of warranty.
 
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The problem with that entry is if you click Core Series Ultra 1 or Products formerly Raptor Lake, you don't see this 120F CPU in the list of CPUs.

Like, they have either no idea where to list this CPU or they are not ready to create the product family until the 12 P-core SKU is announced.
 

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LOL probably not enough pinouts.
Broadwell with the Crystal Well MCM passed by to say hello: https://images.hothardware.com/contentimages/newsitem/67975/content/small_intel-crystal-well.jpg
And besides than that was in LGA 1150 Haswell socket, this is about the same amount of pins that Sandy Bridge (LGA 1155) and Skylake (LGA 1151). So making either a MCM or a stacked die with Cache layers a la AMD isn't impossible. Physical package size or height could be.
 

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Seriously, what is Intel making in Intel 7 fabs that they don't have enough supply of these CPUs to do a full launch yet???
So large dies consumes more wafers to make and EMR is 742mm2 Intel 7. Larger die size require more wafer to make than a CPU made of Smaller dies using MCM.
 

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Broadwell with the Crystal Well MCM passed by to say hello: https://images.hothardware.com/contentimages/newsitem/67975/content/small_intel-crystal-well.jpg
And besides than that was in LGA 1150 Haswell socket, this is about the same amount of pins that Sandy Bridge (LGA 1155) and Skylake (LGA 1151). So making either a MCM or a stacked die with Cache layers a la AMD isn't impossible. Physical package size or height could be.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Emerald Rapids all use at least one massive tile with some cores disabled on some SKUs? Or did they ever make smaller tiles for the lower corecount SKUs?
 

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This processor the Core i5 110 is an even older rebadge of the Core i5 10400 on the LGA1200 socket.


We are going in the wrong direction here. I wasn't able to attend the Intel Tech Tour 2025 here in Phoenix as apparently its only for credentialed press members. I hear a lot of or most if it is under NDA until specific times in the future but the slide above suggests the Bartlett Lake-S CPU may launch next year sometime if they do launch at all for LGA1700.

I dont think Intel has a lot in the pipeline from what I can gather only clock speed bumped Arrow Lake-S processors and only the 3 K series ones Core Ultra 5 245K, Core Ultra 7 265K and Core Ultra 9 285K refresh which are supposed to be announced next year at CES 2026. This leaves a lot of time the rest of next year to squeeze these Bartlett Lake chips in before Nova Lake launches in about one year from now.
 

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Remember the time LGA775 hosted both P4 and Core CPUs? Engineers can do things if they are willing to or allowed to.
That was before so much stuff moved into the CPU socket! They just needed to be able to provide power and talk to the FSB back in those days.
 

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This processor the Core i5 110 is an even older rebadge of the Core i5 10400 on the LGA1200 socket.


We are going in the wrong direction here. I wasn't able to attend the Intel Tech Tour 2025 here in Phoenix as apparently its only for credentialed press members. I hear a lot of or most if it is under NDA until specific times in the future but the slide above suggests the Bartlett Lake-S CPU may launch next year sometime if they do launch at all for LGA1700.

I dont think Intel has a lot in the pipeline from what I can gather only clock speed bumped Arrow Lake-S processors and only the 3 K series ones Core Ultra 5 245K, Core Ultra 7 265K and Core Ultra 9 285K refresh which are supposed to be announced next year at CES 2026. This leaves a lot of time the rest of next year to squeeze these Bartlett Lake chips in before Nova Lake launches in about one year from now.
I am still yet to see anything in the wild that suggests that there is actually a 12 P cores die anywhere but in a test lab. While leakers are confirming an A0 stepping of one, it's never leaked a single bench and no real signs of kernel support behind an identifier.

Intel has IP for both the P cores and e cores for Intel, as well as all the IO blocks. If they were smart, they could have released a desireable product with 12 P cores and all the needed IO on Intel with high 1t clocks but also very high nt clocks due to the newer node. With AVX512 enabled since it's a homogeneous design, it would have sold into multiple markets.
 
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I am still yet to see anything in the wild that suggests that there is actually a 12 P cores die anywhere but in a test lab. While leakers are confirming an A0 stepping of one, it's never leaked a single bench and no real signs of kernel support behind an identifier.

Intel has IP for both the P cores and e cores for Intel, as well as all the IO blocks. If they were smart, they could have released a desireable product with 12 P cores and all the needed IO on Intel with high 1t clocks but also very high nt clocks due to the newer node. With AVX512 enabled since it's a homogeneous design, it would have sold into multiple markets.
Yeah some benchmarks just released today for the upcoming Core Ultra 7 270K Plus on LGA1851 socket early next year. You are right it is strange that there are no benchmarks for these alleged Bartlett Lake chips although if they are intended for NEX Networking and Edge group which doesnt sell to consumers this might explain why. Intel is launching a new socket LGA1954 next year for Nova Lake it seems unlikely they would release a bunch of backported LGA1700 cpus for the consumer market in the middle of next year. Although LGA1700 remains their best selling socket still I believe.
 

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I am still yet to see anything in the wild that suggests that there is actually a 12 P cores die anywhere but in a test lab. While leakers are confirming an A0 stepping of one, it's never leaked a single bench and no real signs of kernel support behind an identifier.

Intel has IP for both the P cores and e cores for Intel, as well as all the IO blocks. If they were smart, they could have released a desireable product with 12 P cores and all the needed IO on Intel with high 1t clocks but also very high nt clocks due to the newer node. With AVX512 enabled since it's a homogeneous design, it would have sold into multiple markets.
Just wait until the chinese manages to get some of them and end being sold as Engineering samples XD
 

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Well, looking at my post, I missed several words that would clarify my point. As late as Bartlett Lake is to market, and given that Intel has all the needed Xtor IP blocks for Intel3 for the same P and E cores as well as all the needed IO, it's almost silly that they didn't just make Bartlett Lake on Intel3 with 12 P cores. It might not have moved the needle a whole lot for 1t as I'm not sure they could have clocked it much higher, but, the nT benchmarks would have loved the improved node, and everyone would have loved the better Perf/Watt numbers, especially utility scale buildouts that have to pay for all that power usage over the long haul...