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Might be good to separate the launch of it with Arrow Lake Refresh.
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All the information I've read about including this thread says a Q3 2025 launch window which is July, August and September. If these chips are going to launch at all for consumer motherboards its got to be announced pretty soon probably by the end of this month. That leaves Q4 2025 October, November and December for the Arrow Lake Refresh chips.
 
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Kontron also claims to support the current hybrid Bartlett Lake-S on B660 Chipset based K3843-B. That board also supports the E suffix CPUs too.

K3843-B µATX

[K3843-B µATX] by Kontron with Cost-effective iB660 platform, Latest DDR5 memory technology for best-in-class system performance and intel® UHD Graphics 7xx driven by Xe Architecture
www.kontron.com www.kontron.com

So very likely than even if Bartlett Lake doesn't launch for desktop, it actually works anyways.
 
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Thats confirmation that these Bartlett Lake chips exist and are originally intended for the NEX Networking and Edge group.

www.intel.com

Products formerly Bartlett Lake

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Its very unusual for Intel to release consumer products for a nearly 4 year old LGA1700 platform. They are usually only about pushing the latest chips on the newest platform. The fact that the Core 5 120F exists at all tells me there will be some sort of consumer launch of either rebranded Alder Lake or hopefully Bartlett Lake chips sometime in the near future.

The Arrow Lake refresh is only suppose to be 3 chips AFAIK a Core 5 K Ultra, Core 7 K Ultra and a Core 9 K Ultra with boosted clocks just the K series chips. This would be rather underwhelming for their big 2025 release window so I'm hoping there will be more to it. The Intel Technology Tour 2025 is supposedly coming to my hometown Phoenix in late September at the end of Q3. If nothing has been announced by then I'm going to try and attend and ask what is going on.
 
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nenforcer said:
The Intel Technology Tour 2025 is supposedly coming to my hometown Phoenix in late September at the end of Q3. If nothing has been announced by then I'm going to try and attend and ask what is going on.
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Rooting for you!

But my money is on the fact that Intel has seen what AMD has got going with AM4 and they see clearly that money is to be made by selling old technology as new, even though they tried to make fun of AMD's approach in a leaked marketing presentation. It's just common sense what AMD is doing and they have learned to be smarter with their SKU selling decisions due to coming so close to dying.

Not everyone wants or can afford the latest and greatest. Bartlett Lake could be "fixed" silicon exhibiting none of the issues that 13th/14th became infamous for. It could end up saving Intel if they ran decent ads showing how much people/corporations could save on the cost of a new platform by just upgrading their existing LGA1700 platform to Bartlett Lake CPUs and get an extra 5 years of warranty.
 
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Intel® Core™ 5 Processor 120F (18M Cache, up to 4.50 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ 5 Processor 120F (18M Cache, up to 4.50 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
www.intel.com www.intel.com
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The problem with that entry is if you click Core Series Ultra 1 or Products formerly Raptor Lake, you don't see this 120F CPU in the list of CPUs.

Like, they have either no idea where to list this CPU or they are not ready to create the product family until the 12 P-core SKU is announced.
 
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DrMrLordX said:
LOL probably not enough pinouts.
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Broadwell with the Crystal Well MCM passed by to say hello: https://images.hothardware.com/contentimages/newsitem/67975/content/small_intel-crystal-well.jpg
And besides than that was in LGA 1150 Haswell socket, this is about the same amount of pins that Sandy Bridge (LGA 1155) and Skylake (LGA 1151). So making either a MCM or a stacked die with Cache layers a la AMD isn't impossible. Physical package size or height could be.
 
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Seriously, what is Intel making in Intel 7 fabs that they don't have enough supply of these CPUs to do a full launch yet???
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So large dies consumes more wafers to make and EMR is 742mm2 Intel 7. Larger die size require more wafer to make than a CPU made of Smaller dies using MCM.
 
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Broadwell with the Crystal Well MCM passed by to say hello: https://images.hothardware.com/contentimages/newsitem/67975/content/small_intel-crystal-well.jpg
And besides than that was in LGA 1150 Haswell socket, this is about the same amount of pins that Sandy Bridge (LGA 1155) and Skylake (LGA 1151). So making either a MCM or a stacked die with Cache layers a la AMD isn't impossible. Physical package size or height could be.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Emerald Rapids all use at least one massive tile with some cores disabled on some SKUs? Or did they ever make smaller tiles for the lower corecount SKUs?
 
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