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You need at least a 9070 don't you think? ARC isn't even in that discussion currently. There was a XFX MERC 7900XTX in the TPU FS/FT forum that just sold for $600. There are deals if you keep your eyes open on tech forums.
GodisanAtheist
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- I was hoping to keep my 6800XT in my main and snag B580/6750XT/306012gb for the Steambox but prices have been bad, even used stuff is "NO LOWBALLS I KNOW WHAT I GOT" levels of stupid on pricing, so I figured I'd rather move the 6800XT over and deal hunt for something at least as good or better than my 6800XT instead.
Ironically 6800XTs and 6900's are relatively cheap for their performance thanks to poor RT, lack of DLSS or FSR4, and high power requirements so I might just end up right where I started
Thunder 57
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- I was hoping to keep my 6800XT in my main and snag B580/6750XT/306012gb for the Steambox but prices have been bad, even used stuff is "NO LOWBALLS I KNOW WHAT I GOT" levels of stupid on pricing, so I figured I'd rather move the 6800XT over and deal hunt for something at least as good or better than my 6800XT instead.
Ironically 6800XTs and 6900's are relatively cheap for their performance thanks to poor RT, lack of DLSS or FSR4, and high power requirements so I might just end up right where I started
Why should you, as a buyer, have to make an offer? They as the seller should set a price. Unless of course you are talking about eBay where the offer but it now OBO and set a comically absurd price?
GodisanAtheist
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-Yeah, eBay is where I look thanks to the buyer protections.
People asking $300+ for 3060ti's etc it's ridiculous.
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Unfortunately seller protections are non-existent and have been for a long time. Still doesn't justify stupid asking prices. I got a 6600 XT for ~210 total a month ago, not terrible. The 6600 XT's are drying up though but there seem to be an abundance of non XT's. I would've preferred a 6700XT but asking prices aren't worth it.
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Ryzen 3700X+AORUS ELITE B450+4x8GB CL16 3200+B580
I used 1080p high in Miles Morales, which is the settings Aussie Steve uses in Spiderman Remastered. I was seeing as low as 72% GPU usage and it rarely got past mid 80s. With RT reflections on GPU went down to 50-65%. XeSS does not help because it is all CPU bottleneck. PCIe 3.0 may be playing a part too. Not like it isn't playable as FPS hovered in the 70s-110s.
Then I made things harder and recorded almost 15 minutes using Xbox game bar. Next I turned on RT reflections, then added XeSS quality at 1440.
Swinging fast near the streets in the part of the game where it is snowing heavily it could drop into the 40s fps. At one point, it froze for a good 10 seconds while I could see assets loading because the 3700X could not keep up.
For CPU heavy games + RT + recording, you will need to use unacceptably low settings. I do not expect this to be the case with the 3060 12GB when I test it.
There are many games and areas of games where the B580 will be fine in this system, but for CPU intensive titles it is a poor choice. I just bought Space Marine 2 on sale from Steam, so I'll see how bad that can get this weekend.
I used 1080p high in Miles Morales, which is the settings Aussie Steve uses in Spiderman Remastered. I was seeing as low as 72% GPU usage and it rarely got past mid 80s. With RT reflections on GPU went down to 50-65%. XeSS does not help because it is all CPU bottleneck. PCIe 3.0 may be playing a part too. Not like it isn't playable as FPS hovered in the 70s-110s.
Then I made things harder and recorded almost 15 minutes using Xbox game bar. Next I turned on RT reflections, then added XeSS quality at 1440.
Swinging fast near the streets in the part of the game where it is snowing heavily it could drop into the 40s fps. At one point, it froze for a good 10 seconds while I could see assets loading because the 3700X could not keep up.
For CPU heavy games + RT + recording, you will need to use unacceptably low settings. I do not expect this to be the case with the 3060 12GB when I test it.
There are many games and areas of games where the B580 will be fine in this system, but for CPU intensive titles it is a poor choice. I just bought Space Marine 2 on sale from Steam, so I'll see how bad that can get this weekend.
DigDog
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can't say these guys are not regular.
www.intel.com
released 22/07.
Intel® Arc™ B580 Graphics Downloads, Drivers and Software | Intel
Intel® Arc™ B580 Graphics - Download supporting resources inclusive drivers, software, bios, and firmware updates.
www.intel.com
released 22/07.
DigDog
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new drivers from 06/Aug
www.intel.com
Intel® Arc™ B580 Graphics Downloads, Drivers and Software | Intel
Intel® Arc™ B580 Graphics - Download supporting resources inclusive drivers, software, bios, and firmware updates.
www.intel.com
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Back with an update: Tested with the 3060 12GB. It provides a much better gaming experience with the Ryzen 3700X combo. Played over an hour of Miles Morales without a single freeze and only one maybe half second spike about 50 minutes in. RT reflections on high with DLSS TM performance was a good time on a vrr display. It can't always stay above 60fps upscaled to 4K but it only dips in the mid 50s for a few seconds here and there when on crowd streets like Broadway with reflections on. GPU utilization is often 97-99% and hits a 100% at times with RT on.
The bruhaha about CPU overhead by reviewers was necessary. Some of the crew on the ARC reddit try to dismiss it as fake news. You can't. The value of the product is tarnished by needing a fairly powerful CPU to feed it.
The bruhaha about CPU overhead by reviewers was necessary. Some of the crew on the ARC reddit try to dismiss it as fake news. You can't. The value of the product is tarnished by needing a fairly powerful CPU to feed it.
Can you test your B580 again but this time with the Hardware Prefetcher option disabled in BIOS?
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From a quick search, most of the top hits talking about turning it off were for enterprise level hardware. The discussion I found about Xeon, the Intel employee said for single-threaded memory latency, the prefetcher greatly reduces latency.
There was someone asking about turning it off for gaming, they got shutdown hard - https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=12924
Besides, you have more ARC cards than I do, you 🫵 test it out.
Except, testing it on a bunch of different games. That's been the hard part fo me always. First, I don't know how (yes, I guess I'm too old to learn new tricks. It is embarrassing to admit but benchmarking games seems hard for me). Two, I don't want to deal with Steam (the logging in, waiting for it to download stuff at really low speeds etc.)Besides, you have more ARC cards than I do, you 🫵 test it out.
I know, that seems like excuses but it's genuine.
I read that the AMD hardware prefetcher is pretty aggressive and it pollutes the caches leading to problems. The Intel one is fine. But disabling adjacent cache line prefetch on Intel yields gains which I've been able to confirm on Tiger Lake, at least for non-gaming benchmarks.
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LMAO that has guerilla marketing disinformation written all over it. 👎
Gaming is all I care about when it comes to performance i.e. where latency is uber important. Which = hard pass.
Spent too much on the ring, had to cheap out on the GPU, rookie mistake.
don't want your your wife's GPU catching fire do you ?Spent too much on the ring, had to cheap out on the GPU, rookie mistake.
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I hope they picked a powerful CPU for it, or she'll go back to phone gaming. 
Hans Gruber
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It’s on the ring finger but on their right hands. Maybe AI slop or the couple are really old school (used to be more common to a wear wedding band on the right hand like 200 years ago).
Nevermind, thought it was an official account posting for some reason. Maybe just another streamer trying to get attention and maybe sponsorship.
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