Intel 65nm chips in hand - now shipping - Pentium D 9xx

[mrVW]

Edit: I didn't realize this thread took off here, I got some info over on Tom's Hardware forum and forgot to check back here.

The Intel Pentium D 900 series is rumored to be shipping on December 27.

Supported motherboards: Intel 945, 955X, 975X (new) chipsets. BIOS updates ARE REQUIRED for 945/955X. For example, I found the Abit AW8-MAX latest BIOS shows support for the new chips (BIOS 15 released December 19), but Asus has not yet released theirs for the P5WD2 Premium (check for newer than 0606) - but they have publically promised it.

Pentium D 955 EE will require the 975X chipset.
Also discussion that the 865/875 chipsets will work with Presler.

Summary story: http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/12/16/pentiumd_900/

Big news: These chips support the new VT (Virtual Technology) capability for Xen, VMWare, etc. This is big news if you are a Linux user and want to be able to run Windows XP and Linux at the same time with free Xen 3.0 software! Also great if you want to run virtual servers with best possible performance. Intel is months ahead of AMD in shipping VT.

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Originally message I posted for reference, so it helps explain some of the replies:


OnSale.com seems to already be taking pre-orders. The new i975X chipset motherboard are required. I'm trying to get one of these as soon as they are available... anyone found shipping motherboards? These chips support the new VT (Virtual Technology) capability for Xen, VMWare, etc.

 

[secretanchitman]

all 975x mobos ive seen is the one from asus, their p5wgd2. AT did a review on it. its based more for workstations more than enthusiasts. the consumer version (p5wd2-e) will come out soon after though.

the new pentium Ds do look promising though.

 

[RichUK]

lol yet another chipset :disgust:

 

[stevty2889]

I don't think they require the new chipset, I think just the extreme editions will, I've heard the 9xx series dual cores will even be compatible with 865/875 chipset LGA775 boards, meaning you could even use them with DDR and AGP..

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

the new pentium Ds do look promising though.

I disagree. Yonah looks like a much better CPU, even for the desktop, than Presler(the new Pentium Ds)..

 

[Cooler]

Sometimes i think Intel makes the bulk of there money off chipsets.

 

[secretanchitman]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

the new pentium Ds do look promising though.

I disagree. Yonah looks like a much better CPU, even for the desktop, than Presler(the new Pentium Ds)..

2x2MB cache. it'll be good, and plus it has great OCing potential.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

the new pentium Ds do look promising though.

I disagree. Yonah looks like a much better CPU, even for the desktop, than Presler(the new Pentium Ds)..

2x2MB cache. it'll be good, and plus it has great OCing potential.

Fine... You buy that, and we will stck to the X2, then we can benchmark with you and our one year old chips. Want to bet on the outcome ?

 

[Canterwood]

Conroe is rumoured to be the one worth waiting for next year tbh.

There's talk of it being released as early as July 06, but until there's reviews and benchmarks its still all speculation.

2006 is looking interesting for CPU's though.

 

[JohnAn2112]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

the new pentium Ds do look promising though.

I disagree. Yonah looks like a much better CPU, even for the desktop, than Presler(the new Pentium Ds)..

2x2MB cache. it'll be good, and plus it has great OCing potential.

Fine... You buy that, and we will stck to the X2, then we can benchmark with you and our one year old chips. Want to bet on the outcome ?

Man, there can never be an Intel thread without somebody mentioning how AMD is superior. :roll:

Nobody mentioned that it's going to be better than an X2. He just mentioned that it'll have great OC potential.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: stevty2889
I don't think they require the new chipset, I think just the extreme editions will, I've heard the 9xx series dual cores will even be compatible with 865/875 chipset LGA775 boards, meaning you could even use them with DDR and AGP..

This boggles my mind. Why would intel release a newer chip that is compatable with such old tech?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: JohnAn2112

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

the new pentium Ds do look promising though.

I disagree. Yonah looks like a much better CPU, even for the desktop, than Presler(the new Pentium Ds)..

2x2MB cache. it'll be good, and plus it has great OCing potential.

Fine... You buy that, and we will stck to the X2, then we can benchmark with you and our one year old chips. Want to bet on the outcome ?

Man, there can never be an Intel thread without somebody mentioning how AMD is superior. :roll:

Nobody mentioned that it's going to be better than an X2. He just mentioned that it'll have great OC potential.

And how do you know that ? seen any reviews that OC;ed one ? just because its 65nm, doesn;t mean squat. I will (and have about Yonah) say good things about Intel when you can buy them, and for a reasonable price, and they perform, and aren;t a space-heater like my 820D.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

2x2MB cache. it'll be good, and plus it has great OCing potential.

We know nothing about its OCing potential. Plus, what good is 2x2MB l2 cache, really? Is it going to make that much of a difference over 2x1MB l2 cache? Has anyone been able to demonstrate that this will help in anything but a minority of apps?

Yonah has already shown itself to be a contender with the X2 3800+, so i'm betting the 2.13 ghz Yonah and later 2.33 ghz Yonah will kick Presler's butt all over the place at stock speeds. And, Yonah has every bit as much potential for overclocking as Presler, if not more.

 

[n7]

Markfw900, i've always respected you as an outstanding member here, but i'm gonna have to say you certainly have been a tad vocal in your dislike of Intel (or certain CPUs of their's) lately.

While i think most of us agree that they don't have much worth buying these days, it'd be nice to see that mentioned more tactfully, since you're starting to remind me of Rollo, & that's a horrible thing :laugh:

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: n7
Markfw900, i've always respected you as an outstanding member here, but i'm gonna have to say you certainly have been a tad vocal in your dislike of Intel (or certain CPUs of their's) lately.

While i think most of us agree that they don't have much worth buying these days, it'd be nice to see that mentioned more tactfully, since you're starting to remind me of Rollo, & that's a horrible thing :laugh:

Its just that people like fatty, and betwon, and others speculate sooooo much lately, that I am sick of it ! Sorry. I even read the Anantech article on Yonah, and it sounds promising, but we still know nothing about how they OC, what their price is or anything ! And they are a laptop chip, not a desktop !

I don't want speculation, I want more FACTS ! And the Inquierer doesn;t count as fact ! Just speculation.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: stevty2889
I don't think they require the new chipset, I think just the extreme editions will, I've heard the 9xx series dual cores will even be compatible with 865/875 chipset LGA775 boards, meaning you could even use them with DDR and AGP..

This boggles my mind. Why would intel release a newer chip that is compatable with such old tech?

Part of the reason prescott wouldn't work with some older motherboards/chipsets was due to the increase in power consumption, and the slightly lower Vcore. Since presler/ceder mill actualy decrease in power consumption, the first problem isn't there. Anands own article mentioned compatibility with 865/875 chipsets for Presler. Good for me, I can get rid of my POS Smithfield, and see if Presler has some potential with water cooling. If it can get to around 4.3ghz, it may even give my X2 some competition for a change performance wise at least. If Yonah overclocks anything like Dothan, there should be some good competition there too, but they won't likely be as reasonably priced.

 

[Betwon]

PD920 and Yonah(1.66G) is not expensive.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Betwon
PD920 and Yonah(1.66G) is not expensive.

I am sure you know how much they will be sold for before they are even out yet..the prices you find listed by places like Anandtech, are for large quantities, not the prices they will be sold to us for..

 

[Betwon]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Betwon
PD920 and Yonah(1.66G) is not expensive.

I am sure you know how much they will be sold for before they are even out yet..the prices you find listed by places like Anandtech, are for large quantities, not the prices they will be sold to us for..

In the past, the price from INQ is right.
Such as the price of PD and 6xx.

So We can believe it this time.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Betwon

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Betwon
PD920 and Yonah(1.66G) is not expensive.

I am sure you know how much they will be sold for before they are even out yet..the prices you find listed by places like Anandtech, are for large quantities, not the prices they will be sold to us for..

In the past, the price from INQ is right.
Such as the price of PD and 6xx.

So We can believe it this time.

Yeah, because the R520 has 32 pixel pipelines just like inq said... :disgust: lemme guess, you take Tom's Hardware words as law...

 

[Betwon]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Betwon

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Betwon
PD920 and Yonah(1.66G) is not expensive.

I am sure you know how much they will be sold for before they are even out yet..the prices you find listed by places like Anandtech, are for large quantities, not the prices they will be sold to us for..

In the past, the price from INQ is right.
Such as the price of PD and 6xx.

So We can believe it this time.

Yeah, because the R520 has 32 pixel pipelines just like inq said... :disgust: lemme guess, you take Tom's Hardware words as law...

The price was right about PD,6xx in the past.
So we can believe the price.

 

[Betwon]

 

[Betwon]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: Betwon

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Betwon
PD920 and Yonah(1.66G) is not expensive.

I am sure you know how much they will be sold for before they are even out yet..the prices you find listed by places like Anandtech, are for large quantities, not the prices they will be sold to us for..

In the past, the price from INQ is right.
Such as the price of PD and 6xx.

So We can believe it this time.

Yeah, because the R520 has 32 pixel pipelines just like inq said... :disgust: lemme guess, you take Tom's Hardware words as law...

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JohnAn2112

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: secretanchitman

the new pentium Ds do look promising though.

I disagree. Yonah looks like a much better CPU, even for the desktop, than Presler(the new Pentium Ds)..

2x2MB cache. it'll be good, and plus it has great OCing potential.

Fine... You buy that, and we will stck to the X2, then we can benchmark with you and our one year old chips. Want to bet on the outcome ?

Man, there can never be an Intel thread without somebody mentioning how AMD is superior. :roll:

Nobody mentioned that it's going to be better than an X2. He just mentioned that it'll have great OC potential.

Its always mark too actually :thumbsdown:

 

[Betwon]

At 32-bit, the float point performance of PD820 is better than Opteron@2G/L2 2M.Intel is superior:

SPECfp_rate_base2000
Pentium D 820@2.8G -------- 29.9
SPECfp_rate_base2000 28.6
Altos G320 (2.8 GHz Intel Pentium D 820)/4 x 1024MB ECC DDR2-667 Unbuffered SDRAM

Opteron@2200 ------------------only 28.6
SPECfp_rate_base2000 28.6
Altos G5350 (2.2GHz, Dual-Core AMD Opteron (TM) 275 , 2x1MB L2)/4 x 1024MB, DDR400 CL3 ECC