Intel 32nm Westmere Desktop Processor Roadmap Exposed

[Idontcare]

Intel 32nm Westmere Desktop Processor Roadmap Exposed

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/899/1/

Make sure you check the second page of the article too.

From what I see it is basically everything we have been expecting based on the internet rumors and wiki to-date.

6-core/12-thread. Plan to launch desktop and mobile at same time. Basically it looks like they intend to hit the consumer markets first with 32nm and the enterprise/server markets will have to make do with 45nm Nehalem Xeon parts until early 2010.

 

[angry hampster]

Seems like the Nahelem early adopters really got dicked on this one. I may be in for one of those new dual core/quad thread Clarkdales.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Seems like the Nahelem early adopters really got dicked on this one. .

When do early adopters not get dicked?

Bring on 32nm!

 

[angry hampster]

It's true I suppose. Did they do anything like this when moving to LGA775 from the previous generation?

 

[aigomorla]

With the slumping PHII, and recient economy, intel has no need to bring out the bigger and faster guns too soon.

Also according to the 3rd and 4th picture we should already have i5s.

Where are they?

Expect Delays. Thats what everyone is telling me.

D0 stepping isnt even out yet, and you guys already want your hands on 32nm.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well I wouldn't go calling early adopters dicked. Until we see the relationship between Nehalem&Larrabee. UNtil than ya. they may have lost a little.

The thing that Put a smile on my face was this New Roadmap. I like this alot. Its telling us a Hugh story.
I Understand Why Intel had to get Nehalem Server out . I think we All Do. Than Go Ahead and build the High end desktop and Workstation off same chipset.

When I seen how good AMDs 45nm was at O/C Compared to befor I got really excited.

Intel is using the same process at 32 and things are really going well. As you can see buy intels Massive USA investment of 7 Billion+


It Always Bothered Me Intel Had To go this route Because On the desktop it made no sense, 2core with HT. and Higher clocks makes much more sense. This New roadmao shows Intel is Very confident that it can Beat AMD 3 & 4 core performance. Thats why they bringing the 2 cores first they work really freaken good . The 2 generation Ht must be really good. I well go out and flat out say it. If Intel Allowed it those 2core chips will do 6ghz easy.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I well go out and flat out say it. If Intel Allowed it those 2core chips will do 6ghz easy.

I won't be surprised at all if the 8GHz+ WR's held by the 65nm Pentium 4 Cedar Mill chips are finally beat by 32nm Clarkdale chips under equally extreme cooling conditions.

And yeah, 6GHz on water for a 2-core 32nm chip of Nehalem pedigree seems believable given what people hit with the E8600 these days.

 

[Cogman]

Very interesting stuff there. Westmere with the new graphics processor could be killer for laptops and maybe even things like PDAs, ect. I doubt that it will perform even in the midrange for graphics cards, but still, it will be interesting to see how it changes the dynamics of things. After all, most laptops have a crappy intel graphics chip in them anyways .

BTW, will the graphics chip be manufactured at the same node size as the rest of the processor?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Cogman
BTW, will the graphics chip be manufactured at the same node size as the rest of the processor?

For Arrandale (and Clarkdale) the GPU is MCM'ed with 45nm GPU parts.

When the Sandy Bridge refresh comes out the following year (Q4 2010) there is a Cougar Point chip which replaces Arrandale and Clarkdale.

Cougar Point is supposed to be a truly integrated GPU/CPU (monolithic) all at 32nm with Sandy Bridge core logic.

What is not known, as far as I am aware, is whether this integrated GPU in Cougar Point will be Larrabee based or be another iteration of the existing GPU architecture that Intel is fielding present day.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Just been reading the responses, so forgive my asking; 1366 socket still?

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Reading the actual text of the article leaves much to be desired. Looks like they make quite a few mistakes. First they say

The Intel Lynnfield processor is a 32nm processor that has four cores and eight threads.

Which I'm pretty is wrong. Isn't Lynnfield 45nm? But then shortly later they say

Intel does not have a quad-core 32nm processor on the roadmap, which is very interesting.

Which highlights their mistake. Oh well.

I'm also intrigued by the following:

The high end Intel X58 Express platform will also feature an update later in the year with the launch of a processor that has six cores and twelve threads!

What does this mean, if anything, for the current X58 boards' support for six-core Westmere?

 

[IntelUser2000]

Idontcare, did you look at the high-end desktop roadmap for Westmere products?? It does look like the code-name is Gulftown.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
Idontcare, did you look at the high-end desktop roadmap for Westmere products?? It does look like the code-name is Gulftown.

Oh yeah, I am in full agreement with you on Gulftown now.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Heres interesting video.

http://eetimes.eu/semi/213402791

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
Idontcare, did you look at the high-end desktop roadmap for Westmere products?? It does look like the code-name is Gulftown.

Oh yeah, I am in full agreement with you on Gulftown now.

I might have a thought or 2 on Gulftown. LOL



http://www.fastcursor.com/comp...-32-core-processor.asp

 

[PCTC2]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Just been reading the responses, so forgive my asking; 1366 socket still?

Yes, for Gulftown, but the Performance/Mainstream segment (Lynnfield, Clarkdale) are Skt1156.

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Seems like the Nahelem early adopters really got dicked on this one. I may be in for one of those new dual core/quad thread Clarkdales.

Uhh. I don't think I"m dicked for one. If you happen to notice, the Extreme segment of the market will remain the X58 and Skt 1366. Sure, Lynnfield with an integrated PCIe controller and IMC looks nice, but I sure like my i7. Plus, Skt 1366 on the X58 chipset gets Gulftown w/ 6 cores and 12 threads on the X58. I'm pretty sure I'll just plop one of those into my X58 and I'm not going to feel dicked. At all. Have fun with your quad-core when I have my sex-core.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Heres interesting video.

http://eetimes.eu/semi/213402791

In 2010, Intel will ship Gulftown a 32 nm high-end desktop processor with six dual-threaded cores and no integrated graphics.

Bummer. So it looks like those rumors of Intel keeping x58 enthusiast market on 45nm i7 CPU's until after 32nm ships for mainstream markets were true after all.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Those dual-core, quad-thread, integrated graphics, 32nm core look very interesting indeed. Good times ahead. Hopefully DDR3 prices will have dropped by then too.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Just been reading the responses, so forgive my asking; 1366 socket still?

yeah, what i said

 

[ilkhan]

lynnfield (45nm, 4c/8t, no GPU) will be LGA1156
clarksfield (45nm, 4c/8t, no GPU, mobile) will be 989


gulftown (32nm, 6c/12t, no GPU) will be LGA1366
unknown/non-revealed (32nm, 4c/8t, no GPU) will be LGA1156
clarksdale (32nm, 2c/4t, GPU) will be LGA1156
arrandale (32nm, 2c/4t, GPU, mobile) will be 989

up until mid 2010 (when we get near/to sandy bridge) looks like
high end desktop gulftown
quad desktop lynnfield
dual desktop clarksdale
quad mobile clarksfield
dual mobile arrandale

Id expect a quad 32nm product for the desktop, but we havent heard anything about that yet.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Heres interesting video.

http://eetimes.eu/semi/213402791

In 2010, Intel will ship Gulftown a 32 nm high-end desktop processor with six dual-threaded cores and no integrated graphics.

Bummer. So it looks like those rumors of Intel keeping x58 enthusiast market on 45nm i7 CPU's until after 32nm ships for mainstream markets were true after all.

I'm wondering the possibility of Intel doing this to cut costs. DP and PC CPUs using the exact same core.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Heres interesting video.

http://eetimes.eu/semi/213402791

In 2010, Intel will ship Gulftown a 32 nm high-end desktop processor with six dual-threaded cores and no integrated graphics.

Bummer. So it looks like those rumors of Intel keeping x58 enthusiast market on 45nm i7 CPU's until after 32nm ships for mainstream markets were true after all.

I'm wondering the possibility of Intel doing this to cut costs. DP and PC CPUs using the exact same core.

It definitely makes it easier to produce 32nm chips while dealing with a higher defect density if those chips are smaller in die-size.

Sure eventually 32nm defect density will get down to 45nm defect density levels as it matures, but if you want to produce product in the meantime then you want those chips to be as tiny as possible to increase yields.

The roadmap makes sense from a production point of view if Intel is viewed as effectively trying to "jump the gun" and get as early of a start as possible with 32nm production versus say 45nm where they may have felt more comfortable at that time with getting defect densities lower before rolling out their flagship QX9650 chips on day one.

I'm sure the desktop and mobile 2c/4t chips are the same die with the mobile chips being put thru extra validation for the more aggressive power-saving functions versus desktop chips just having those functions fused off or microcoded to be ignored.

Clarkdale won't be cut-down gulftowns it would seem, given that the clarkdale's IMC is actually integrated into the 45nm GPU chip and not the 32nm CPU chip. This probably saved on validation efforts for the 45nm IMC design. It also means that when gulftown debuts it will have a new 32nm IMC with all the extra validation work included, so that could be another portion of the timeline delta between clarkdale debut and gulftown release.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: PCTC2

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Seems like the Nahelem early adopters really got dicked on this one. I may be in for one of those new dual core/quad thread Clarkdales.

Uhh. I don't think I"m dicked for one. If you happen to notice, the Extreme segment of the market will remain the X58 and Skt 1366. Sure, Lynnfield with an integrated PCIe controller and IMC looks nice, but I sure like my i7. Plus, Skt 1366 on the X58 chipset gets Gulftown w/ 6 cores and 12 threads on the X58. I'm pretty sure I'll just plop one of those into my X58 and I'm not going to feel dicked. At all. Have fun with your quad-core when I have my sex-core.

Ahh I didn't see that they're keeping 1366 around. Also, I buy what I need, not what gets e-peen cred on geek forums.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: PCTC2

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Seems like the Nahelem early adopters really got dicked on this one. I may be in for one of those new dual core/quad thread Clarkdales.

Uhh. I don't think I"m dicked for one. If you happen to notice, the Extreme segment of the market will remain the X58 and Skt 1366. Sure, Lynnfield with an integrated PCIe controller and IMC looks nice, but I sure like my i7. Plus, Skt 1366 on the X58 chipset gets Gulftown w/ 6 cores and 12 threads on the X58. I'm pretty sure I'll just plop one of those into my X58 and I'm not going to feel dicked. At all. Have fun with your quad-core when I have my sex-core.

Ahh I didn't see that they're keeping 1366 around. Also, I buy what I need, not what gets e-peen cred on geek forums.

epeen is not about what you bought, it is about why you bought it. Be it a 965 or a a lowly Cedar Mill.

On this particular geek forum, knowing what you need and knowing the lowest cost pathway to procuring what you need is what gets you cred of the non-epeen variety. (also being a helpful poster to your colleagues works too )

Not every 965 system out there was procured to satiate an epeen campaign.

You can be epeen about getting a dual-core 4GHz E8600 system if given what you do would have been satisfied with a much cheaper netbook.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Not every 965 system out there was procured to satiate an epeen campaign.

no i have to disagree with this statement.

the 965 is pure raw epeen in a condensed form.

The 920 gets close, good 940's will match.

965, is to show off, you have a 965.