Review Intel 10th Generation Comet Lake-S Review Thread

[Zucker2k]

Review information on the soon-to-be-released 10th generation desktop lineup, as well as all relevant information will be linked in this thread. OP will be updated as information becomes available in the next few days. Please, post links to reputable sites you want to see in the OP, and I'll add them. Thanks!

Anandtech
Phoronix (Linux Benchmarks)
LTT (YouTube Video)
Gamers Nexus
Euro Gamer
ComputerBase.de
Back2Gaming
HWUB (YouTube Video)
Sweclockers
Nordic Hardware


Reviews Roundup on VideoCardz

 

[Zucker2k]

The point is to push chips pass stock clocks while feeding them unlimited power to give us an idea about consumption. We see that all the time with Intel chips. How about AMD?

I suppose all I needed to do was a google search....

To see what our chip could do, we manually cranked the core voltage up to 1.44v and shot for a modest 4.2GHz (42x100MHz) all-core overclock, which worked without incident. We then moved up to 4.3GHz, but had some instability under load, so we backed things down a bit and settled at 4.25GHz across all cores. At this speed, the chip was quickly saturating the Wraith Prism Cooler and operated in the mid 90-degree range when under sustained load, which flirted with the 95°C limit presented by Ryzen Master.

I know the Wraith Prism is the stock cooler. I'll be more than happy to see manual overclocks from other reviews with better cooling, showing power consumption and temps.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X And Ryzen 7 3700X Review: Zen 2 Impresses - Page 9

AMD's Ryzen 9 3900X and Ryzen 7 3700X are the first 3rd Gen Ryzen Zen 2-based processors to arrive and our full suite of benchmark, overclocking, and - Page 9

hothardware.com

Our Overclocking Efforts
Due to time constraints, we tested the Ryzen 9 3900X and Ryzen 7 3700X with both automated overclocking features activated instead of with a manual all-core overclock. Several motherboard vendors have told us that overclocking headroom is extremely limited on the Ryzen 3000 processors, and that exceeding the boost clocks, or even meeting them, isn't possible for all-core overclocking. Our resident overclocking expert Allen 'Splave' Golibersuch has also spent time with early Ryzen 3000 samples and was unable to break the 4.1 GHz barrier without sub-ambient cooling.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X and Ryzen 7 3700X Review: Zen 2 and 7nm Unleashed

AMD's Ryzen 3000 series promises more performance and value via the benefits of the 7nm process and Zen 2 microarchitecture.

www.tomshardware.com

Check out those idle temps.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X & Ryzen 7 3700X ‘Zen 2’ CPU Review - KitGuru

AMD has launched its Zen 2 architecture in the form of the Ryzen 3000 processors. Slotting directly

www.kitguru.net

Overclocking
Time was of the essence to get you all this testing on time, but it seems pretty clear that like the 1st and 2nd-gen Ryzen CPUs, there’s virtually no overclocking headroom with 3rd-gen Ryzen. This isn’t surprising as both AMD and Intel are locked into a fierce battle which sees both extract the most amount of performance they can from these high-end CPUs.

At best we were able to boost the 3900X multi-core score by 4% while the 3700X saw a 6% increase. However, as was the case with 2nd-gen Ryzen, the simple multiplier OC method that we used for the 4.3 GHz all core, is not the method you want to use.
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On an even more disappointing note, we somehow managed to end the life of our 3900X sample at this stage of the review. We don’t recall exactly what settings were applied, but we know we hadn’t manually adjusted voltages yet. We believe after testing the 4.3 GHz overclock with auto voltage, we increased the LLC to see what impact that had on temperatures and during our first CB20 pass the system crashed and reset, and never booted up again.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X and Ryzen 7 3700X Review

It's finally time to review AMD's new 3rd-gen Ryzen processors. The Ryzen 9 3900X is a 12-core, 24-thread processor with a massive 64MB L3 cache. It costs...

www.techspot.com

You have no idea how difficult it is to get manual overclocking info (power consumption and temps) from reputable sites. Even Anandtech is yet to publish that information....

In POV-Ray, running the 3900X at a flat 4.3GHz at 1.35V gives it a 8.2% performance boost over stock. Enabling PBO doesn’t make much difference in multi-threaded workloads for the 3900X as it’s still being limited by the 142W PPT limit.

Unfortunately we weren’t able to further investigate raising the PPT limit for this article due to time contraints as well as currently non-final firmware version for X570 motherboards from the vendors.

We're still waiting for that raised PPT test from Anandtech Review team, complete with power consumption and temps.

The AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 3700X and 3900X Raising The Bar

www.anandtech.com

AVX instructions disabled... but with the 3900x at 168, package power only, I wonder if it could handle this test with AVX enabled under the conditions under which the test was performed, Check out the disclaimer:

We're moving away from using AVX-based stress tests for our CPU power testing, though we will continue to use them for their intended purpose of validating overclocks. AVX-based stress testing utilities essentially act as a power virus that fully saturates the processor in a way that it will rarely, if ever, be used by a real application. Those utilities are useful for testing power delivery subsystems on motherboards, or to generate intense thermal loads for case testing, but they don't provide a performance measurement that can be used to quantify efficiency.

And then this.... the 3900x is now running closer to its comfort zone, and look what we have here.... AVX is enabled again. Hehe

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X and Ryzen 7 3700X Review: Zen 2 and 7nm Unleashed

AMD's Ryzen 3000 series promises more performance and value via the benefits of the 7nm process and Zen 2 microarchitecture.

www.tomshardware.com

Etc.

I would love to see a revisit of manual overclocking on Zen 2, just to put things in perspective.

 

[Markfw]

222w is turbo. It's perfectly fine because it only lasts for 56 seconds.
240w is a 5.1GHz All-Core Sustained load. I think it's impressive.

Unless, of course, you can change my mind with a Zen 2 processor with an 800MHz All-Core overclock on top of stock All-Core Turbo on AIO cooling. Never gonna happen.

You are all excited abut 5.1 ghz and 240 watts. How about many more times the processing power (I was going to say 5, but just for the sake of less argument), 64 core instead of 10 below that power consumption ?

So about 5 times the processing power of a 10900k for 225 watts ? You would never like that.

 

[Ajay]

So nobody uses these CPUs in the real world at 100% load using vector instructions for sustained periods of time?

Most people don't. But monster power usage reels in monster page/video hits. So, that's all we talk about now-a-days.

 

[Rigg]

The 10400 looks to be DOA. I've been trying to tell people around here the 2666 memory cap on b460 was going to handicap this CPU vs the 3600. I thought it would do better than this though. Yuck!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Configured with unlimited power (4095 watts? Jeez), 5.3GHz All-Core overclock, and 4133MHz RAM, running an AVX-2 based app. What did you expect?

Yea, I run CBR20 all day.

Thanks for demonstrating that you both have nothing to contribute.

I've always found this forum fascination with folding, rendering and encoding and running completely detached from what most people do with their PC

Where were people with commentary like this when Intel was winning all those benchmarks?

@Rigg

Surprising given how much the street price is for the 10400. NewEgg wants $195 and Best Buy wants $190.

 

[Rigg]

@Rigg

Surprising given how much the street price is for the 10400. NewEgg wants $195 and Best Buy wants $190.

Even if the 10400f comes in at $175 I think its a hard pass. My local Micro Center has had 10 of these in stock @ $195 for a couple of days. It was 10+ on launch day (they don't report actual stock numbers until it gets to 10) so a few people must have bought them with z490 boards . At least a couple years from now these will be good OEM pulls for budget gamers.

I still can't fathom why in gods name Intel won't put out a real competitor to the AMD b series. If you could but some of these locked F SKU's on an affordable motherboard without a bunch of performance killing limitations these would at least have a chance to compete with AMD.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Where were people with commentary like this when Intel was winning all those benchmarks?

Intel was winning in every category when they were winning folding, rendering and encoding.

 

[Zucker2k]

Thanks for demonstrating that you both have nothing to contribute.

I thought you'd say challenge accepted, to put an end to all these back and forths. You know, extremely overclocked AMD vs extremely overclocked Intel? Sounds fair?

The 10400 looks to be DOA. I've been trying to tell people around here the 2666 memory cap on b460 was going to handicap this CPU vs the 3600. I thought it would do better than this though. Yuck!

Like I said in the other thread, the 10400 beats the 3600 in gaming, even with 2666MHz RAM in the ComputerBase.de review, where they tested against the cheaper 10400f ($155, according to them). Meanwhile, the 3600 is at $224 on Newegg. Plus, investing about $35 more into an entry level Z490 board opens a stable upgrade path to higher bins and Rocket Lake later this year. Yes, you can pick up a R5 3600 at Microcenter for $160, but goodluck if you don't have one near you, because it's in-store only.

Edit: The R5 3600 is backordered on Newegg.

 

[Markfw]

I thought you'd say challenge accepted, to put an end to all these back and forths. You know, extremely overclocked AMD vs extremely overclocked Intel? Sounds fair?


Like I said in the other thread, the 10400 beats the 3600 in gaming, even with 2666MHz RAM in the ComputerBase.de review, where they tested against the cheaper 10400f ($155, according to them). Meanwhile, the 3600 is at $224 on Newegg. Plus, investing about $35 more into an entry level Z490 board opens a stable upgrade path to higher bins and Rocket Lake later this year. Yes, you can pick up a R5 3600 at Microcenter for $160, but goodluck if you don't have one near you, because it's in-store only.

I am going to try and BUY a 10900k just so I can benchmark it fairly, but I can;t find a motherboard or CPU at newegg, Amazon or Best Buy. Not sure there is anyone else I trust If you have other US sources, let me know,.

 

[Rigg]

Like I said in the other thread, the 10400 beats the 3600 in gaming, even with 2666MHz RAM in the ComputerBase.de review, where they tested against the cheaper 10400f ($155, according to them).

I did my best to quickly skim through that and didn't see the RAM speed comparison. I'm not going to bother because I really don't care enough to suffer through the German to English translation. Please provide an explanation with direct links as the formatting and translation makes its insufferable compared to an easy to digest video from a well known and trusted source.

 

[Zucker2k]

I did my best to quickly skim through that and didn't see the RAM speed comparison. I'm not going to bother because I really don't care enough to suffer through the German to English translation. Please provide an explanation with direct links as the formatting and translation makes its insufferable compared to an easy to digest video from a well known and trusted source.

Just watch reviews on other known sites and compare gaming results. The ComputerBase.de review is only unique because of the cheaper 10400f, as well as the fact that they do stick to manufacturer specs when they test locked Intel platforms.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel was winning in every category when they were winning folding, rendering and encoding.

AMD is winning every category except 1080p high refresh-rate gaming. I hardly see what is the difference.

I thought you'd say challenge accepted, to put an end to all these back and forths. You know, extremely overclocked AMD vs extremely overclocked Intel? Sounds fair?

One does not respond thusly to arguments in bad faith.

 

[CHADBOGA]

I am going to try and BUY a 10900k just so I can benchmark it fairly, but I can;t find a motherboard or CPU at newegg, Amazon or Best Buy. Not sure there is anyone else I trust If you have other US sources, let me know,.

Is it really worth throwing away money just for that?

I'd assume you would lose money selling off the 10900K and motherboard.

 

[misuspita]

Meanwhile, the 3600 is at $224 on Newegg

I'm sorry, what? In my eastern Europe country the 3600 is selling at ~187€ and that is with taxes included. Can't fathom someone buying now a 3600 at more than 200$, so your point is invalid, artificially trying to raise 3600 price so your comparison looks good.

 

[Markfw]

Is it really worth throwing away money just for that?

I'd assume you would lose money selling off the 10900K and motherboard.

I figure I will loose some. But I need a way to PROVE my point, and this is the only way. MY TEST MY Conditions

 

[ondma]

I'm sorry, what? In my eastern Europe country the 3600 is selling at ~187€ and that is with taxes included. Can't fathom someone buying now a 3600 at more than 200$, so your point is invalid, artificially trying to raise 3600 price so your comparison looks good.

No, he is correct. The price is 224 dollars. I just looked it up.

 

[jpiniero]

No, he is correct. The price is 224 dollars. I just looked it up.

That's the scalper price. And they are now OOS too.

 

[Elfear]

For the last month prices have held steady at ~$175. Prices have increased a lot in the last couple days on the 3600 and stock has dropped drastically. Maybe due to the recent Intel 10th gen launch?

 

[Ajay]

That's the scalper price. And they are now OOS too.

Sooo much of that going on lately. Especially for mobos and PSUs.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@Elfear

Matisse refresh hits June 16th, AMD may have cut off supply if there's going to be a replacement for the old 3600.

 

[RetroZombie]

@Elfear

Matisse refresh hits June 16th, AMD may have cut off supply if there's going to be a replacement for the old 3600.

Also the guys that were waiting for the intel 10th gen release to decide what to buy, have decided.

The 10400 looks to be DOA.

If the 10600k is weak and is the best of the intel i5 i don't know how to expect any better from the worst.

 

[Rigg]

Like I said in the other thread, the 10400 beats the 3600 in gaming, even with 2666MHz RAM in the ComputerBase.de review, where they tested against the cheaper 10400f ($155, according to them). Meanwhile, the 3600 is at $224 on Newegg. Plus, investing about $35 more into an entry level Z490 board opens a stable upgrade path to higher bins and Rocket Lake later this year. Yes, you can pick up a R5 3600 at Microcenter for $160, but goodluck if you don't have one near you, because it's in-store only.

Edit: The R5 3600 is backordered on Newegg.

Looks like the ComputerBase.de review is an outlier.

The 3600 is back in stock for $167.

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor

pcpartpicker.com

The 10400f is a bad value just like the rest of the comet lake CPU's. The 10600k(F) and possibly 10700F look like the only justifiable CPU purchases in the whole lineup.

 

[lobz]

Looks like the ComputerBase.de review is an outlier.

The 3600 is back in stock for $167.

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor

pcpartpicker.com

The 10400f is a bad value just like the rest of the comet lake CPU's. The 10600k(F) and possibly 10700F look like the only justifiable CPU purchases in the whole lineup.

Thank God... none of us will have to die after all. Joking aside, I'm gonna be really surprised if the rumored unlocking of B series motherboards will actually happen. Pleasantly, but really surprised.

In every other case, the 10600K is 270-280 USD and it needs a mobo that costs at least 190-200 USD, and then a cooler. That's well over 500 dollars, which is insane for an i5 kit.

 

[jpiniero]

The Ongoing CPU Security Mitigation Impact On The Core i9 10900K Comet Lake - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Phoronix has some 10900k benchmarks comparing with the mitigations turned off in Linux. Overall, it's a 6% hit on average. The browser benchmarks in particular are still being hit bad.

 

[AdamK47]

Got mine.

PC Specs:
Intel Core i7 10900K
MSI MEG Z490 ACE
32GB G.SKILL Trident Z RBG DDR4
EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti XC Ultra
512GB Samsung 970 Pro M.2 SSD
Three 4TB Samsung 860 QVO SSDs in 12TB RAID-0
10TB Seagate Enterprise HDD
LG 6X External Slim BD-RW
Corsair Crystal 460X case
NZXT Kraken X72 cooler
Corsair ML fans
Corsair AX1600i power supply
Corsair K70 keyboard
Cooler Master MM520 mouse