did he distinguish himself at all? I mean, there's serving in a war, and then there's a war hero. Kerry fit the bill of hero due to the medals he won.
People use that argument a lot. Do you support the Afghanistan campaign? Did you join the military for that after 911? What about the 1st Gulf War, the Balkans conflict, Somalia, etc.
I don't know if you supported those, but if so, you should be asking yourself the same question regarding those conflicts.
Isn't great that I could sign up if I wanted to? There's no better way to climb the social heirarchy than joining the military if nothing else. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. Let me just see how college fairs for me.
He wasn't part of the US or South Vietnames delegations. He negotiated with the Communists. This is illegal under the law.
umbrella39
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Steeplerot
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misfits are has-beens gone cheeze metal (hence every trailer park metal kid with a misfits wallet) and ramones arent even around, nor is Joey around anymore, but yes, there is always a exception to the rule, but then Ramones are long since history, and only one member of the band was a sellout like that.
There is always an exception to the rule, heck the biggest skin band (skrewdriver) started punk then Ian Stuart turned sharply right overnight straight to nazi racist oi.
(sucks there music is still good even after they changed, their lyrics any neocon in here would love especially.)
I wouldn't call Ramones a very good example of punk and what it stands for, they had the energy and drive but they were basiclly pop ahead of their time in the sound.
(some would say a NYC style iggy pop/stooges ripoff, the ramones were pretty overated and not very punk)
There is always an exception to the rule, heck the biggest skin band (skrewdriver) started punk then Ian Stuart turned sharply right overnight straight to nazi racist oi.
(sucks there music is still good even after they changed, their lyrics any neocon in here would love especially.)
I wouldn't call Ramones a very good example of punk and what it stands for, they had the energy and drive but they were basiclly pop ahead of their time in the sound.
(some would say a NYC style iggy pop/stooges ripoff, the ramones were pretty overated and not very punk)
I find it pretty disgusting that a supposed military man like yourself would be so willing to bash a decorated war hero based on nothing more than the words of people who have no evidence and a clear political agenda, simply because his politics don't match up with your own.
Not to mention, Kerry risked his own life to save another man. Wasn't that medal he earned because he jumped off a boat and pulled someone out of the water?
Yup. I find it kind of sad when the support the troops crowd attacks a decorated former soldier simply because it suits their political agenda. I can't tell you how much more respect I'd have for them if they simply came out and said that while they respect Kerry's military service, they personally disagree with his political views. Instead, they wave the flag at every opportunity and suggest anyone who isn't "supporting the troops" is really rooting for Osama...until it's politically expediant to attack a veteran, then they jump right in.
Welcome to the wonder world of politics... I wonder what people like those associated with the Swiftboat Group can actually look in the mirror and tell themselves they're good people...
It's been my experience that those who can't muster enough dismissiveness to occupy the void in their psyche typically occupiied by guilt subconciously twist reality to suit their twitching consciences.
TallBill
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Fvck all of you and your coniving political schemes. You take anybodys words that dont match 100% up to yours and attempt to twist them however. I could give a rats ass about John Kerry's politics. I have virtually no opinion on his political life.
In a Nov. 6, 1971 interview with WRC-TV, he recalled that the protesters had decided to "renounce the symbols which this country gives . . . the medals themselves." When the interviewer asked, "How many did you give back, John?" he answered: "I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine." The interviewer noted that Kerry had won the Bronze and Silver Stars and three Purple Hearts. Kerry: "Well, and above that, I gave back my others."
Throwing back military medals is like spitting on America. I dont care if he was young and dumb. I dont care if it was the cool thing to do. And there is much more controversy to him "earning" medals which extends far beyond the swiftboat scandal.
You can read part of it here http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html
I know a lot of people who have been in a lot worse sh1t then that who never got squat for a medal.
In a Nov. 6, 1971 interview with WRC-TV, he recalled that the protesters had decided to "renounce the symbols which this country gives . . . the medals themselves." When the interviewer asked, "How many did you give back, John?" he answered: "I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine." The interviewer noted that Kerry had won the Bronze and Silver Stars and three Purple Hearts. Kerry: "Well, and above that, I gave back my others."
Throwing back military medals is like spitting on America. I dont care if he was young and dumb. I dont care if it was the cool thing to do. And there is much more controversy to him "earning" medals which extends far beyond the swiftboat scandal.
You can read part of it here http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html
I know a lot of people who have been in a lot worse sh1t then that who never got squat for a medal.
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