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Insight into Trump's base

I found this story early this morning by accident and found it to be quite interesting. This was done during the election campaign last year and sheds light into the mindset of his base. These are old school people who cling to the old ways and believe every word they're told as they were raised to believe that a man's word is his bond.

Obviously the liar in chief doesn't see it that way and will say whatever it takes meanwhile those who actually believe him are left out in the cold. I really feel for these folks but they refuse to believe anything else.

 
If someone espouses the values you identify with, there are numerous example where people will ignore or be unable to even consider voluminous evidence that a person does not represent the values he espouses. Such a phenomenon is not restricted by religion, race, political party, education, etc. Some groups do have relatively more open minded individuals. And some groups are represented by folks with relatively greater integrity. In the present political climate, that disparity is gaping to anyone who can distance themselves from their own identifications. But I do not automatically discount those who struggle to do so. Most of us vastly overestimate our capacity to be objective when we are in a similar position, and deficits in this capacity are not a result of willing choice.
 
wait, so the coal mines have been closed for 50 years!? But these people are still sitting there thinking they'll open again? If only trump is elected, because he said he would?! I know these people are poor, but in 50 years they should be able to find out that the mines closed because of cheaper natural gas and automation, not Hillary clinton..
 
I think once the local yokels die off, those places could become cool again, and hopefully they will be repopulated with hip young folks and experience a revival. Currently, the backwardness of some of these places scares off a lot of younger people who are instead congregating in big cities or college towns. But those are becoming stretched and expensive.
 
LOL he wants to gentrify Appalachia. You ever been to West Virginia? If you don't work for the state welfare office, you don't work. Coal is dying and nothing is replacing it. No ports, no industrial complex, no tech industry, no existing infrastructure to develop shit, no nothing. Open up a campground or a detox clinic; that's about it.

As an American I would totally support some sort of economic system be put in place in these rural shit-holes so that these Americans could change their lives. I don't want to wait for them to die so that rich folks can move in.
 
LOL he wants to gentrify Appalachia. You ever been to West Virginia? If you don't work for the state welfare office, you don't work. Coal is dying and nothing is replacing it. No ports, no industrial complex, no tech industry, no existing infrastructure to develop shit, no nothing. Open up a campground or a detox clinic; that's about it.

As an American I would totally support some sort of economic system be put in place in these rural shit-holes so that these Americans could change their lives. I don't want to wait for them to die so that rich folks can move in.

Same was said about urban centers 20-30 years ago, but now they are hot property with young people flocking to them.
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You have to follow the young creative types. They move to a poor area, make it cool and apparently safe, then professionals follow them, make it expensive, then creative types get priced out, and move to another area, and the cycle starts over. It takes time, but the major current centers like Silicon Valley, Seattle, LA, are in the process of peaking and pricing out young creative talent. They are going to move somewhere. Probably first wave won't be to Trump country, but once they gentrify and price out Portland, Denver, and other second tier cities, and old geezers in Trump country die off, there may very well be a wave of revival there.
 
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seattle was a special case, as boeing had just had huge layoffs. with most cities your generalization really only applies to the urban cores (and i know that's part of your generalization) - the surrounding burbs (even in shitholes like detroit and cleveland) didn't suffer near as bad (and often boomed - people liked living in cities, just not in the very middle of them).

appalachia isn't like that. most cities have a reason for being: they're on important waterways, have access to resources, other transportation links, etc. appalachia pretty much has one of those things, and it's dead. and its been dead for a long time. maybe there's going to be a boom in wind turbines or something that will bring some people in, but i wouldn't hold my breath.

used to be that people in this country would move for opportunity, but that seems to have gone downhill over the past few decades.
 
I agree with Senseamp. I moved to Asheville, NC 7 years ago, and I have personally witnessed the boom that can happen in Appalachia. We have one of the best food and beer scenes in the country now.
 
I found this story early this morning by accident and found it to be quite interesting. This was done during the election campaign last year and sheds light into the mindset of his base. These are old school people who cling to the old ways and believe every word they're told as they were raised to believe that a man's word is his bond.

Obviously the liar in chief doesn't see it that way and will say whatever it takes meanwhile those who actually believe him are left out in the cold. I really feel for these folks but they refuse to believe anything else.


When it's a Black Family they're leeching off the system
When it's a Mexican Family they're illegals
When it's a White Family in VA they just need help until the mine that's been closed for decades to open.
 
I found this story early this morning by accident and found it to be quite interesting. This was done during the election campaign last year and sheds light into the mindset of his base. These are old school people who cling to the old ways and believe every word they're told as they were raised to believe that a man's word is his bond.

Obviously the liar in chief doesn't see it that way and will say whatever it takes meanwhile those who actually believe him are left out in the cold. I really feel for these folks but they refuse to believe anything else.

LOL you are attempting to extrapolate the mindset of millions from the words of 2, well played.
 
seattle was a special case, as boeing had just had huge layoffs. with most cities your generalization really only applies to the urban cores (and i know that's part of your generalization) - the surrounding burbs (even in shitholes like detroit and cleveland) didn't suffer near as bad (and often boomed - people liked living in cities, just not in the very middle of them).

appalachia isn't like that. most cities have a reason for being: they're on important waterways, have access to resources, other transportation links, etc. appalachia pretty much has one of those things, and it's dead. and its been dead for a long time. maybe there's going to be a boom in wind turbines or something that will bring some people in, but i wouldn't hold my breath.

used to be that people in this country would move for opportunity, but that seems to have gone downhill over the past few decades.

It's definitely a fixer upper.
 
I think once the local yokels die off, those places could become cool again, and hopefully they will be repopulated with hip young folks and experience a revival. Currently, the backwardness of some of these places scares off a lot of younger people who are instead congregating in big cities or college towns. But those are becoming stretched and expensive.

I just don't see that happening. For one, these mines are pretty much superfund sites. People aren't flocking to leveled mountains and holes filled with toxic sludge, that is almost certainly poisoning the groundwater (so have fun growing crops and getting good drinking water). And that's if they aren't also being fracked to hell and back.

Unless someone comes along and makes a massively profitable business cleaning up these types of situations, there's just nothing there to gentrify, and these places can't sustain much else.

I don't see anything putting a stop to the move to population centers. Once factory farming starts taking off, it'll further limit what rural areas can sustain.

Same was said about urban centers 20-30 years ago, but now they are hot property with young people flocking to them.

You have to follow the young creative types. They move to a poor area, make it cool and apparently safe, then professionals follow them, make it expensive, then creative types get priced out, and move to another area, and the cycle starts over. It takes time, but the major current centers like Silicon Valley, Seattle, LA, are in the process of peaking and pricing out young creative talent. They are going to move somewhere. Probably first wave won't be to Trump country, but once they gentrify and price out Portland, Denver, and other second tier cities, and old geezers in Trump country die off, there may very well be a wave of revival there.

Silicon Valley got its start well before that, and you have it backwards. The professionals were there before the creative types. I'd actually say that's been true of all of those areas. The professionals brought money, which brought creative types (despite the poor starving artist trope, artists actually end up near where the wealth is to try and sell to them). There's been a back and forth some (i.e. the creatives take over some of the delipidated city areas, which then professionals start to gentrify) some, but you need the money there first. Plus, especially these days, where there's a lot of overlap between what was traditionally "creative type" and "professional type". Which I assume your overall point is that they should be trying to woo these younger "startup" types.

Actually with regards to the picture, wasn't the issue just that they were moving from the city proper and out to the fringe areas? So say from Seattle to places like Redmond? The population growth eventually led back to the city (granted it did take active work to improve the city to revitalize the city proper, but its not like they were flocking from the city to middle of nowhere like they'd have to do to revitalize these dying rural areas).

The other thing is, they're behind the times there too. Lots of places have already been doing that. Phoenix, Salt Lake City, North Carolina (not sure specific area), Austin, they've already been courting that stuff and corporations for decades. Basically people will consider smaller cities, but I don't see them going to these really rural areas. Those places are basically selling out for factory work (which makes them beholden to the whims of a company) or dying (sometimes they do the former only for the factory to leave and then they die).
 
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LOL you are attempting to extrapolate the mindset of millions from the words of 2, well played.

Normally our resident Libtards don't even need that many to make generalized statements. Surprised that racist and xenophobe wasn't mentioned but it seems that calling people pedophiles is the new Libtard insult.
 
Normally our resident Libtards don't even need that many to make generalized statements. Surprised that racist and xenophobe wasn't mentioned but it seems that calling people pedophiles is the new Libtard insult.
You'll feel differently when some 32 year old guy is messaging your 14 year old daughter for dates.
 
Seems to me Dems should have pushed as part of infrastructure incentifying alternative energy companies to locate to coal regions.

Don't sell it as ending coal jobs but transitioning to new energy sources
 
Normally our resident Libtards don't even need that many to make generalized statements. Surprised that racist and xenophobe wasn't mentioned but it seems that calling people pedophiles is the new Libtard insult.

But hitting on 14 year old girls is what pedophiles do. Is your butthurt blinding you that badly? racist, xenophobe really? Why are you so angry all of the time?
 
What happened to McDowell County & a lot of other poor places in this Country is... Job Creator activity! That's right, honey- You been dumped! I know they sweet talk you into a quickie every two years, but that's not reason to keep your hopes up. They got nuthin' for you other than promises & cuts to the very programs that keep your communities afloat at all. Coal ain't comin' back, darlin', and neither are all the other jobs that other places like yours have lost, either. If they can't make money off you they have no use for you, plain & simple. You're obsolete.

So how about we cut taxes for those Job Creators to express your appreciation for all they've done for you?
 
But hitting on 14 year old girls is what pedophiles do. Is your butthurt blinding you that badly? racist, xenophobe really? Why are you so angry all of the time?

What is yours and Homer's fascination in making me into a pedo? Is this some vetting process for your NAMBLA/ General Pedo club? Urvile, not sure what ice cream truck you crawled out of but you and Homer need to climb back in and leave. Maybe Harvey Weinstein has some extra room so you guys can have your support group.
 
wait, so the coal mines have been closed for 50 years!? But these people are still sitting there thinking they'll open again? If only trump is elected, because he said he would?! I know these people are poor, but in 50 years they should be able to find out that the mines closed because of cheaper natural gas and automation, not Hillary clinton..
if you are uneducated cant read much less write, you are not going to leave the only thing you ever known... I can see how these people are feeling left behind.. While Clinton was preaching education and programs at these folks Trump was screaming coal and maga lies...
 
wait, so the coal mines have been closed for 50 years!? But these people are still sitting there thinking they'll open again? If only trump is elected, because he said he would?! I know these people are poor, but in 50 years they should be able to find out that the mines closed because of cheaper natural gas and automation, not Hillary clinton..
Similar vein to what I've thought on this subject: when the mine closed and the jobs dried up, did they ever think about moving to where there are jobs? Here they are, sitting in bumblefuck waiting for Godot every day instead of actually taking action when it was needed. For generations, people have got up and moved when economic opportunity slumped near their homes. What makes these people so special that they don't have to do that?
 
What I think is most interesting about these stories is that a large number of his supporters know he is lying to them and have no expectations of him actually bringing those jobs back. It's purely an emotional/cultural appeal where they vote for the person they feel represents them emotionally as opposed to the person who is actually going to help them.
 
I agree with Senseamp. I moved to Asheville, NC 7 years ago, and I have personally witnessed the boom that can happen in Appalachia. We have one of the best food and beer scenes in the country now.

Asheville is a thriving urban city and the biggest of only two in all of Western NC. I am not sure it was a crumbling mining town when you showed up. It has plumbing, housing, sanitation, commerce, roads, railroad, and cash to expand. Asheville has community leaders focused on growing the city by luring tech companies and others. It's not just a town made up of outsiders who waited for the local bumpkins to die off. Not the same thing.

The rest of WNC as well as most of the hill towns up and down the chain have no tax base, uneducated work force, no economy outside of tourism, no hubs or commercial base, poor infrastructure and no way to lure corporations or new industries to the top of the mountain.

This is the struggle. The small towns can't build housing and bring fiber up the mountain and give tax incentives to lure companies and a workforce like the cities can. Also no Starbucks. If a yuppie strays too far from SB they break down.
 
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