Initial Trump mass deportation plan: 3 million

[K1052]

Not all "criminals, gang members, drug dealers" have criminal records.

Ok then, who makes the determination that a person is a criminal (if not our courts)?

 

[fskimospy]

Who said it was special? You are asking irrelevant questions. Go away.

You said you didn't believe in prosecutorial discretion for immigration, which presumably means you believe in it for other things. Why is immigration different?

If you can't see why this is incredibly relevant, I don't know what to say but enjoy spending hundreds of billions or trillions on new prisons and law enforcement, fiscal conservative!

 

[fskimospy]

LOL, the old "it will hurt you more" line. What will you break out next, "if you sit too close to the TV then you'll go cross-eyed"?

Sounds like someone needs to watch A Christmas Carol this holiday season! Feeling this amount of rage towards people who neither know nor care about it is just going to make you angry for no reason. It's also kind of sad.

Hopefully you haven't participated in the exploitation of an illegal yourself fskimospy, because I hope you'd have better morals than that and I don't think you'd do very well in jail.

lol, thank you for your consideration for my possible future incarceration. Most of the time people type 'lol' they don't mean it literally but that actually made me laugh a little.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

There is nothing extreme about enforcing our immigration laws and deporting criminal aliens, A majority of Americans support it and the President-elect of the United States won on that platform.

 

[Chiropteran]

Ok then, who makes the determination that a person is a criminal (if not our courts)?

He would be in his right to deport every single illegal immigrant if he wanted to, they are technically ALL criminals... so I'm not sure what you are getting at?

As the quote stated, plan is to deport the criminals, drug dealers, gang members. What is your worry, that a few illegal immigrants who hang out with gang members but aren't actually gang members might get deported? what is your real concern here?

 

[Moonbeam]

You said you didn't believe in prosecutorial discretion for immigration, which presumably means you believe in it for other things. Why is immigration different?

If you can't see why this is incredibly relevant, I don't know what to say but enjoy spending hundreds of billions or trillions on new prisons and law enforcement, fiscal conservative!

Trump is a master of convincing people of things that no rational person would ever believe. Criminal behavior is irrational. Trump will simply convince 3 million of them to leave. The whole thing will be mercifully cheap.

 

[Chiropteran]

You said you didn't believe in prosecutorial discretion for immigration, which presumably means you believe in it for other things. Why is immigration different?

If you can't see why this is incredibly relevant, I don't know what to say but enjoy spending hundreds of billions or trillions on new prisons and law enforcement, fiscal conservative!

Nope, you are wrong. I wasn't implying any such thing. I am not interested in going off topic like you are, so I kept my answer narrow.

And as far as your last point, LOL. do you even know what deport means? Hint: we don't need to build prisons to deport immigrants.

 

[K1052]

He would be in his right to deport every single illegal immigrant if he wanted to, they are technically ALL criminals... so I'm not sure what you are getting at?

As the quote stated, plan is to deport the criminals, drug dealers, gang members. What is your worry, that a few illegal immigrants who hang out with gang members but aren't actually gang members might get deported? what is your real concern here?

Ok so there are about 900K with records but he wants to deport 3 million as criminals but you say that all illegals are criminals which is a figure closer to 11 million (or 30 plus million if you take some of the fringier right estimates).

Where does 3 million come from? It's almost like he pulled that number out of his ass..

 

[Moonbeam]

He would be in his right to deport every single illegal immigrant if he wanted to, they are technically ALL criminals... so I'm not sure what you are getting at?

As the quote stated, plan is to deport the criminals, drug dealers, gang members. What is your worry, that a few illegal immigrants who hang out with gang members but aren't actually gang members might get deported? what is your real concern here?

Terrifying that you need to ask but then totally expected, A huge sector of the American public has the moral development of rats.

 

[fskimospy]

Nope, you are wrong. I wasn't implying any such thing. I am not interested in going off topic like you are, so I kept my answer narrow.

And as far as your last point, LOL. do you even know what deport means? Hint: we don't need to build prisons to deport immigrants.

Okay so you don't believe in prosecutorial discretion. Gotcha. That means you are going to need LOTS of additional prisons for the US, just so you know.

I know exactly what deport means, by the way. Do you know how the deportation process works? If you think you won't need lots of additional prisons to do it you're crazy.

 

[Yakk]

There's no evidence that immigrants (including illegal immigrants) commit crimes at a higher rate than natural born citizens.

People have been working for years to solve this problem with guest worker systems but conservatives have consistently blocked immigration reform.

In this case I was referencing the correlation of wages earned with common crime, not immigrants. However illegal immigrants are often stuck in the ultra low wage earners group committing more crimes.

Work permits for unskilled labor are a band-aid solution to cover the symptoms of more major issues, not the underlying problem. Corporations depending on ultra low wages for their profits will lobby their local politicians to have access to these workers, not block them.

 

[disappoint]

Trump is a master of convincing people of things that no rational person would ever believe. Criminal behavior is irrational. Trump will simply convince 3 million of them to leave. The whole thing will be mercifully cheap.

You don't mean it's irrational for people to choose deportation rather than prison for breaking the law do you?

 

[theeedude]

So basically, Trump's immigration policy is to copy Obama, down to the numbers.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump is a master of convincing people of things that no rational person would ever believe. Criminal behavior is irrational. Trump will simply convince 3 million of them to leave. The whole thing will be mercifully cheap.

It is kind of amazing. So he's just going to round up these 3 million people. How? Next, he's going to deport them, which you can't do without a deportation hearing to make sure you're deporting the right person. That means mass arrests and then mass holding facilities for millions of people, which seems likely to be horrifying. This will cost billions. I think people like the idea of mass deportations (which is itself pretty gross) because they've never actually put any thought into what it takes to actually do it.

It's pretty easy to see how this descends into a nightmare for everyone involved, including Trump.

 

[dank69]

The important takeaway is that after we invade legitimate citizens' privacy and spend billions deporting the offenders. Glenn and Chiropteran will once again be able to make a good living gutting cow carcasses.

 

[Jaskalas]

So basically, Trump's immigration policy is to copy Obama, down to the numbers.

And the media's plan is to scream crimes against humanity, that the end is nigh!
Thanks for the info clearly stating Trump's deportation plan is business as usual.

 

[K1052]

It is kind of amazing. So he's just going to round up these 3 million people. How? Next, he's going to deport them, which you can't do without a deportation hearing to make sure you're deporting the right person. That means mass arrests and then mass holding facilities for millions of people, which seems likely to be horrifying. This will cost billions. I think people like the idea of mass deportations (which is itself pretty gross) because they've never actually put any thought into what it takes to actually do it.

It's pretty easy to see how this descends into a nightmare for everyone involved, including Trump.

There is also the possibility that nations will refuse repatriation.

Lets see average cost of incarceration in the US is about 30K times 3 million people....gonna get a little pricy.

 

[theeedude]

And the media's plan is to scream crimes against humanity, that the end is nigh!
Thanks for the info clearly stating Trump's deportation plan is business as usual.

Except his supporters thought he was going to do something different from Obama.

 

[Moonbeam]

It is kind of amazing. So he's just going to round up these 3 million people. How? Next, he's going to deport them, which you can't do without a deportation hearing to make sure you're deporting the right person. That means mass arrests and then mass holding facilities for millions of people, which seems likely to be horrifying. This will cost billions. I think people like the idea of mass deportations (which is itself pretty gross) because they've never actually put any thought into what it takes to actually do it.

It's pretty easy to see how this descends into a nightmare for everyone involved, including Trump.

I don't know what to say about that pretty easy to see thingi. I mean, what do you say about something so obviously right that is also so obviously wrong. What is easy to see is totally invisible for huge numbers of people. That, in my opinion is a problem more pressing than immigration, so many so blind to their own complete lack of comprehension yet filled with a deep need to be certain of everything. And if you tell them the facts that they know nothing, it only increases that childish need.

 

[IronWing]

There is also the possibility that nations will refuse repatriation.

Lets see average cost of incarceration in the US is about 30K times 3 million people....gonna get a little pricy.

Job creation!

 

[HomerJS]

3 million people broke the law, middle ground would be ENFORCING THE LAW, not ignoring it until the senate can change the law.

So where are the massive fines for companies hiring illegals?

Oh that's right there are none. Law, schmaw

 

[Texashiker]

Well this sounds impressively horrible already. This guy is already setting himself up for some amazing backlash.

Former administrations should take the blame, not trump.

 

[MixMasterTang]

I did have a thought (not that I agree with this or mass deportation): Figure out how the typical cost to deport 1 person, offer 33% of that number to illegals to volunteer to leave.

Although there are many problems with this (what is to stop them from coming back, etc.) but it seems much easier and cheaper to do this than other methods.

 

[rudder]

Well this sounds impressively horrible already. This guy is already setting himself up for some amazing backlash.

And by the way of course there's a middle ground, which is tightening border security while implementing guest worker programs and a path to citizenship for those already here. You might have heard of this middle ground as the Senate passed a bill about it.

Well as baby boomers retire and our economy grows the U.S. will need some more labor. An improved guest worker program is the way to go. The current system is a mess and it lends itself to a lot of abuse towards guest workers.

That being said.... if you broke the law and came here illegally sorry but you get punted to the back of the line. The three million Trump wants to deport have further broken U.S. law.... gang members, drug dealers, people convicted of sexual assualt.... well they get punted over the wall and never allowed to return.

Once people understand that there is law enforcement actually going on in this country.... the border security situation will largely fix itself.

 

[brycejones]

Trump can improve on Obama's pace by privatizing the operation.
1. Allow licensed bounty hunters to round up the illegals. Give them a bonus for each one they deliver to a border crossing having signed a document allowing for waving of due process. Bypass that whole pesky hearing process and housing them in detention facilities. The private prison industry won't be too excited by this option.
2. Give illegal parents the option to leave their anchor children in the US under the care of charitable organizations. Maybe at the Focus on the Family home for Anchor Children, this is a win/win. Lower costs and future conservatives can be indoctrinated en masse.

Think about it, they could even do a reality tv series. Cast Dog the Bounty Hunter and with a kind heart and some words of encouragement he can drop the kids off at the Home for Anchor Children.