Initial Trump mass deportation plan: 3 million

[First]

I didn't think your useless point wasn't worth responding to, but since you are still going on about it:

Can illegal immigrants vote? Outside of voting for Hillary, no. Can they bear arms? No. They don't have all the rights of the constitution, one exception notwithstanding.

Wow, there is just all sorts of fail in this post. Not only can't you man up and admit you had no idea undocumented immigrants had constitutional rights when you stated, and I quote "Sorry, fundamental constitutional rights don't apply to non-citizens", now you're making up this lame buck-passing argument that "Well, one exception notwithstanding".....except you can't even get that shit right; undocumented immigrants have MOST constitutional rights, including but not limited to the 1st, 5th, 14th, etc.

Try harder in life.

 

[agent00f]

Wow, there is just all sorts of fail in this post. Not only can't you man up and admit you had no idea undocumented immigrants had constitutional rights when you stated, and I quote "Sorry, fundamental constitutional rights don't apply to non-citizens", now you're making up this lame buck-passing argument that "Well, one exception notwithstanding".....except you can't even get that shit right; undocumented immigrants have MOST constitutional rights, including but not limited to the 1st, 5th, 14th, etc.

Try harder in life.

Illegals are subhuman.

 

[Chiropteran]

No, I'm taking your argument to its logical conclusion. Either the source matters or it doesn't.

Does the source matter? Yes or no.

No, the source doesn't matter one shred, can you read?

Lets try this again.

Ignore the article. (Maybe if I put this in bold, you will see it.)

How many immigrants do you think are already in US prisons, today?

Your answer will determine whether you are ignorant (for instance, if you believe there are only a few hundred illegal immigrants in prison), or a bullshit pusher (you knew prisons held a substantial illegal immigrant population, but decided to use the stupid ad-hominem attack anyway).

TL;DR: The source doesn't matter because I specifically told you to ignore the source.

 

[Chiropteran]

Wow, there is just all sorts of fail in this post. Not only can't you man up and admit you had no idea undocumented immigrants had constitutional rights when you stated, and I quote "Sorry, fundamental constitutional rights don't apply to non-citizens", now you're making up this lame buck-passing argument that "Well, one exception notwithstanding".....except you can't even get that shit right; undocumented immigrants have MOST constitutional rights, including but not limited to the 1st, 5th, 14th, etc.

Try harder in life.

You said chief constitutional rights, now you are settling for a short list. Make up your mind.

In my world, the right to vote and bear arms are by far the most important rights. You aren't really part of a democracy without the right to vote, and inability to defend yourself just puts you at a lower level than everyone else.

 

[agent00f]

You said chief constitutional rights, now you are settling for a short list. Make up your mind.

In my world, the right to vote and bear arms are by far the most important rights. You aren't really part of a democracy without the right to vote, and inability to defend yourself just puts you at a lower level than everyone else.

A lot of conservatives are angry that liberals treat them the same as darkies.

 

[fskimospy]

No, the source doesn't matter one shred, can you read?

Lets try this again.

Ignore the article. (Maybe if I put this in bold, you will see it.)

How many immigrants do you think are already in US prisons, today?

Your answer will determine whether you are ignorant (for instance, if you believe there are only a few hundred illegal immigrants in prison), or a bullshit pusher (you knew prisons held a substantial illegal immigrant population, but decided to use the stupid ad-hominem attack anyway).

TL;DR: The source doesn't matter because I specifically told you to ignore the source.

That is exceptionally stupid. If you said ignore the source then the content is meaningless.

 

[trenchfoot]

Illegals are subhuman.

Well, according to all of those allusions that Trump was slinging around during his campaign, after being consolidated, filtered and refined by the folks of whom Trump was targeting, the illegals were not only subhuman, they, along with other minorities who are a growing voting demographic, have become a known existential threat to the "traditional American way of life" and they needed to be prevented from being such a threat.

Ten bucks to a dime, the GOP is going to "allude" to their constituents this very same message whenever elections start rolling around from now 'til doomsday.

 

[shady28]

I don't know what to say about that pretty easy to see thingi. I mean, what do you say about something so obviously right that is also so obviously wrong. What is easy to see is totally invisible for huge numbers of people. That, in my opinion is a problem more pressing than immigration, so many so blind to their own complete lack of comprehension yet filled with a deep need to be certain of everything. And if you tell them the facts that they know nothing, it only increases that childish need.

So, question.

Did you actually watch the interview? Did you listen?

Did you ever look up what Trump was saying at his rallies about immigration, not just the MSM rant?

What I saw in the interview :

1 - Deport the criminals first
2 - Build the wall, and get control of the borders
3 - After #2 is done, and only after #2 is done, then figure out what to do with the remaining illegal immigrants. I think something about work visas was mentioned.

On the campaign trail he espoused support for the Davis-Oliver Act to remove criminal illegals quickly.

Also for a biometric entry-exit visa tracking system.

This was all in his immigration speech back in August. MSM just slanted and distorted it.

Hitler not found.

 

[Chiropteran]

That is exceptionally stupid. If you said ignore the source then the content is meaningless.

Thanks captain obvious! Where exactly did I reference the content in my question to you? I didn't, Mr Genius.

Now answer the question!

 

[Vic]

So he's going to continue the Obama policy but call it something new? Because the Obama policy is to deport aliens who've committed other crimes.

Yep. The 'enforce the law!' fall for the con because they don't understand that the law is already being enforced as fast as legally possible. Now who could change the existing law to speed it up? Hint: not the President.

 

[Vic]

So, question.

Did you actually watch the interview? Did you listen?

Did you ever look up what Trump was saying at his rallies about immigration, not just the MSM rant?

What I saw in the interview :

1 - Deport the criminals first
2 - Build the wall, and get control of the borders
3 - After #2 is done, and only after #2 is done, then figure out what to do with the remaining illegal immigrants. I think something about work visas was mentioned.

On the campaign trail he espoused support for the Davis-Oliver Act to remove criminal illegals quickly.

Also for a biometric entry-exit visa tracking system.

This was all in his immigration speech back in August. MSM just slanted and distorted it.

Hitler not found.

So when do we all get our citizenship chips implanted?
Seriously, those are difficult law enforcement challenges, yet you seem to believe that they could all be done at the snap of the fingers. And it's in that mentality where Hitler is found.

 

[Chiropteran]

Yep. The 'enforce the law!' fall for the con because they don't understand that the law is already being enforced as fast as legally possible. Now who could change the existing law to speed it up? Hint: not the President.

Who can repeal R vs W? Not the president, but he gets blamed for it multiple times daily.

The double standard is so fun.

 

[Vic]

Who can repeal R vs W? Not the president, but he gets blamed for it multiple times daily.

The double standard is so fun.

I'm not seeing a double standard as that works both ways. Roe v Wade can't even be overturned by the SCOTUS. The 14th amendment would need to be repealed. I was interested watching Trump say that O v H is 'settled law' with just 1 year of legal precedent but R v W isn't with 43 years.

 

[agent00f]

That is exceptionally stupid. If you said ignore the source then the content is meaningless.

He's not necessarily stupid, he just doesn't give a shit about actual correctness.

 

[Moonbeam]

So, question.

Did you actually watch the interview? Did you listen?

Did you ever look up what Trump was saying at his rallies about immigration, not just the MSM rant?

What I saw in the interview :

1 - Deport the criminals first
2 - Build the wall, and get control of the borders
3 - After #2 is done, and only after #2 is done, then figure out what to do with the remaining illegal immigrants. I think something about work visas was mentioned.

On the campaign trail he espoused support for the Davis-Oliver Act to remove criminal illegals quickly.

Also for a biometric entry-exit visa tracking system.

This was all in his immigration speech back in August. MSM just slanted and distorted it.

Hitler not found.

We are different, I guess. I didn't listen much to Trump or to anybody else. Immigration is a tough issue, I don't know the answer but I do know that nobody knows more than me, or should I say, almost everybody is like you, hears what Trump really means and has all the answers. I don't listen to MSNBC either because their knowledge of shit just amazes me. So the truth of the matter is that I don't much give a flying fuck about politics. I just want to help you unlearn all the shit you think you know because the facts are you don't know anything. You have a great punch but there's nothing to be had punching air. The Moonbeam you think you see isn't there. I was out looking at the moon because it's close tonight.

 

[Svnla]

Let apply immigration rules and laws EQUALLY to EVERYONE.

 

[who?]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-immigration-detention-20160906-snap-story.html

 

[First]

You said chief constitutional rights, now you are settling for a short list. Make up your mind.

Buddy, your reading comprehension is poor, try harder: "...it's just terrifying people are so easily duped by a fool like Trump who thinks he can deport millions without violating various laws, chief among them fundamental constitutional rights".

In my world, the right to vote and bear arms are by far the most important rights. You aren't really part of a democracy without the right to vote, and inability to defend yourself just puts you at a lower level than everyone else.

Talk about a wimpout, nowhere do you admit you had no idea illegal aliens had constitutional rights, must be a beta male. And you do realize that an illegal alien, who has 90% of the rights in our Constitution (save for voting and owning guns), can't really be at a "lower level than everyone else" when millions of native-born Americans forgo the right to vote and own guns out of choice. You're not too sharp, huh?

 

[zinfamous]

So, in the actual process of vetting real violent criminals, Obama has already deported about 3 millions such criminal illegal immigrants.

So, Trump is just saying that he will do what Obama's been doing....only somehow more terrific?

 

[JSt0rm]

I love how as a country we will spend tons of money kicking people out and building walls but we don't do anything about the demand for this labor.

 

[K1052]

It seems somebody decided to explain Trump's math:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/kris-kobach-trump-immigration-231430

Speaking to CNN’s Brianna Keilar on Tuesday, Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state who helped draft a controversial immigration law in Arizona, defended Trump's comments. He said the number comes from a 2013 report commissioned by the Obama administration and said Trump is assuming that the number has increased since then.

Keilar pressed Kobach further, asking what kind of criminal record an individual would need to merit deportation. Without offering definitive specifics, Kobach said that the definition of a deportable offense would need to broaden under Trump, to include “any felony” and then perhaps those arrested but not yet convicted in some cases.

There are cases, he said, when an individual may not be convicted but is a known gang member and “we ought to get him out of the country.”

I guess you get there by imagination and deporting people who have not been convicted of crimes.

 

[zinfamous]

It seems somebody decided to explain Trump"s math:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/kris-kobach-trump-immigration-231430



I guess you get there by imagination and deporting people who have not been convicted of crimes.

sweet! Well on our way to the Department of Pre-crime. I'm sure Baron, the new Secretary of Cyber, can hold a dual position with these 2 new Departments.

 

[K1052]

sweet! Well on our way to the Department of Pre-crime. I'm sure Baron, the new Secretary of Cyber, can hold a dual position with these 2 new Departments.

Before he leaves office I think Obama should put up a wall...

...around Kansas.