I noticed the first two Utah/shooter threads were locked. I don't know why- hopefully this is an issue that can be openly discussed.
The FBI (law enforcement with Intelligence abilities, so to speak
), are the ones that have excluded ties to terrorism in the Utah situation. Pretty much what I figured.
BUT...
In October 2006, a pro-jihad internet site published a "Guide for Individual Jihad" explaining to jihadists "how to fight alone." It recommended, among other things, assassination with guns, mass public shootings, and running people over.
Talovic joins an unfortunately growing list of Muslims who have committed random acts of violence, only for officials to assure us that their actions have nothing to do with terrorism. Maybe none of them do, but the list is full of troubling details:
**On January 31, Ismail Yassin Mohamed, 22, stole a car in Minneapolis. He went on a rampage, ramming the stolen car into other cars and then stealing a van and continuing to ram other cars, injuring one person. His father told officials that Mohamed was suffering from mental problems; his mother added he had been depressed and hadn't been taking his medication. During his rampage, Mohamed repeatedly yelled, "Die, die, die, kill, kill, kill," and when asked why he did all this, he replied, "Allah made me do it."**
another incident
another incident
another incident
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None of these were terrorist attacks in the sense that they were planned and executed by organized terrorist agents. And it is possible that all of them were products of nothing more ideologically significant than a disturbed mental state, although it is at least noteworthy that each attacker explained his actions in terms of Islamic terrorism. (Like many crazed Christian-inspired killing that have happened "Did it for God" type stuff)
Is it possible that Sulejmen Talovic and some of these others were waging this jihad of one? It is indeed, but with law enforcement officials trained only to look for signs of membership in al-Qaeda or other jihad groups, and to discount terrorism as a factor if those signs aren't there, it is a possibility that investigators will continue to overlook.
Did Sulejmen Talovic have Al-Hakaymah's "Guide for Individual Jihad" on his hard drive or elsewhere in his possessions. Probably not. But it is something to be aware of, and good police work means looking at all the possibilities.
If such attacks grow in number, it would behoove authorities at very least to consider the possibility that these attacks were inspired by the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacism, and to step up pressure on American Muslim advocacy groups to renounce that ideology definitively and begin extensive programs to teach against it in American Islamic schools and mosques.
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The FBI (law enforcement with Intelligence abilities, so to speak
), are the ones that have excluded ties to terrorism in the Utah situation. Pretty much what I figured.BUT...
In October 2006, a pro-jihad internet site published a "Guide for Individual Jihad" explaining to jihadists "how to fight alone." It recommended, among other things, assassination with guns, mass public shootings, and running people over.
Talovic joins an unfortunately growing list of Muslims who have committed random acts of violence, only for officials to assure us that their actions have nothing to do with terrorism. Maybe none of them do, but the list is full of troubling details:
**On January 31, Ismail Yassin Mohamed, 22, stole a car in Minneapolis. He went on a rampage, ramming the stolen car into other cars and then stealing a van and continuing to ram other cars, injuring one person. His father told officials that Mohamed was suffering from mental problems; his mother added he had been depressed and hadn't been taking his medication. During his rampage, Mohamed repeatedly yelled, "Die, die, die, kill, kill, kill," and when asked why he did all this, he replied, "Allah made me do it."**
another incident
another incident
another incident
link
link
None of these were terrorist attacks in the sense that they were planned and executed by organized terrorist agents. And it is possible that all of them were products of nothing more ideologically significant than a disturbed mental state, although it is at least noteworthy that each attacker explained his actions in terms of Islamic terrorism. (Like many crazed Christian-inspired killing that have happened "Did it for God" type stuff)
Is it possible that Sulejmen Talovic and some of these others were waging this jihad of one? It is indeed, but with law enforcement officials trained only to look for signs of membership in al-Qaeda or other jihad groups, and to discount terrorism as a factor if those signs aren't there, it is a possibility that investigators will continue to overlook.
Did Sulejmen Talovic have Al-Hakaymah's "Guide for Individual Jihad" on his hard drive or elsewhere in his possessions. Probably not. But it is something to be aware of, and good police work means looking at all the possibilities.
If such attacks grow in number, it would behoove authorities at very least to consider the possibility that these attacks were inspired by the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacism, and to step up pressure on American Muslim advocacy groups to renounce that ideology definitively and begin extensive programs to teach against it in American Islamic schools and mosques.
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The previous two threads the op referred to were bigoted anti-Islamic rants. This thread will remain unlocked as long as the discussion remains on topic without similar bigotry.
We will be monitoring this thread. If you post bigoted flames, expect to be posting eleswhere for a length of time proportional to the gravity of the offense.
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