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brandonbull said:
Because brothers that have weekly dinners together, are DC insiders, and founded a company together are complete strangers, and would be doubtful that the Podesta group wouldn't benefit from John Podesta being connected to high level DC politicians,right? You and Team Banana seem to easily make the connection between a janitor employed by Trump, that had Russian dressing on a salad, to Trump had to know that the janitor had Russian connections so therefore Trump colluded with Putin.
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Heh. I figure that if "Hillary" were substituted for "Trump" that you'd believe it. You kinda already do...
 
dyna said:
So far these indictments seem like they are in the "breaking the law" category and not the interfere with the election. Zuckerberg and his Facebook pals should be indicted so we can see the 3000 ads that really may have impacted the election. Why are these ads not being released? What are they hiding? Somebody must go down! This is election influence gold that Mueller should be laying down the hammer. Meanwhile, chasing the sins of the past for these lobbyists will lead to nowhere.
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just because you aren't able to connect the dots, doesn't mean Mueller isn't able to.
 
alien42 said:
just because you aren't able to connect the dots, doesn't mean Mueller isn't able to.
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Well. Mueller is a professional who has had a long and distinguished law enforcement career. So I agree that he has a better chance of connecting the dots than some random anadtech user.
 
urvile said:
Well. Mueller is a professional who has had a long and distinguished law enforcement career. So I agree that he has a better chance of connecting the dots than some random anadtech user.
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If your going to throw somebody under the bus, nobody better than a lobbyist since they are a generally viewed hated figure in politics. Its the easy way out of this investigation and say we got a quick win because we found some criminals who didn't follow procedure while navigating the loopholes of funneling money for tax savings. They will probably get fined and there will be all this fist pumping in congress. Its likely a smoke screen exit strategy to end the investigation and not call either side a loser.
 
dyna said:
If your going to throw somebody under the bus, nobody better than a lobbyist since they are a generally viewed hated figure in politics. Its the easy way out of this investigation and say we got a quick win because we found some criminals who didn't follow procedure while navigating the loopholes of funneling money for tax savings. They will probably get fined and there will be all this fist pumping in congress. Its likely a smoke screen exit strategy to end the investigation and not call either side a loser.
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i'd say it's more like the tip of the iceberg and there will be plenty more indictments and they will be strategically issued.
 
dyna said:
If your going to throw somebody under the bus, nobody better than a lobbyist since they are a generally viewed hated figure in politics. Its the easy way out of this investigation and say we got a quick win because we found some criminals who didn't follow procedure while navigating the loopholes of funneling money for tax savings. They will probably get fined and there will be all this fist pumping in congress. Its likely a smoke screen exit strategy to end the investigation and not call either side a loser.
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yeah I really don't care but my point is that especially compared to mueller you don't know what the fuck the you are talking about. So why should I listen to you?
 
urvile said:
Well. Mueller is a professional who has had a long and distinguished law enforcement career. So I agree that he has a better chance of connecting the dots than some random anadtech user.
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no but brandonbull has it all figured out, you see? All this stuff that is actually happening, in the real world, doesn't really mean anything because brandonbull says so. He's so goddamn smart. he should have been in the FBI, because he knows things.
 
dyna said:
If your going to throw somebody under the bus, nobody better than a lobbyist since they are a generally viewed hated figure in politics. Its the easy way out of this investigation and say we got a quick win because we found some criminals who didn't follow procedure while navigating the loopholes of funneling money for tax savings. They will probably get fined and there will be all this fist pumping in congress. Its likely a smoke screen exit strategy to end the investigation and not call either side a loser.
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Just a different way to attack Mueller & the system. Mueller & his team are straight up prosecutors of the ball breaking variety. They're very intelligent high integrity people who just love their jobs.

Manafort will play the long game with delays & appeals while remaining under house arrest on bond. He has the money to do so & may pass away from old age or receive a pardon before he does a day behind bars but he'll have the special counsel's team latched onto his neck like a bulldog the whole way.
 
After all of the outright lying that Trump has managed to cough up on an daily/hourly basis, and since he bought himself a fake painting and said it was the real deal, and since he had a fake Times Cover of him hung at some of his properties, and since he cut out a celebrity star for himself and slapped it on his front door way back when, I am mildly amused to see that there are folks who still believe that Trump is capable of uttering a single syllable of truth. His every burp and fart would be a lie. That's how pathologically hard wired he is about that nasty debilitating habit of his.

His every word is suspect to anyone who has an ounce of common sense. But I guess common sense isn't something one needs in order to be a Trump faithful. All it takes for a person to become a Trump loyalist is for them to want to hear Trump whisper those sweet nothings that their eager ears are listening for and they're hooked for life, or until Trump isn't their president anymore.

Either one will do it seems.
 
Jhhnn said:
Just a different way to attack Mueller & the system. Mueller & his team are straight up prosecutors of the ball breaking variety. They're very intelligent high integrity people who just love their jobs.

Manafort will play the long game with delays & appeals while remaining under house arrest on bond. He has the money to do so & may pass away from old age or receive a pardon before he does a day behind bars but he'll have the special counsel's team latched onto his neck like a bulldog the whole way.
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Mueller is a genius if he is going to tie money from most likely procedural mis-steps by the lobbyist(s) a decade ago to money used in this campaign to Russian hackers. It sounds like a losing battle. On the other hand, there is a direct tie to Russian interference with Zuckerberg/Facebook yet there are no indictments there. To say that Manafort is a Russian agent is like saying that Zuckerberg is a Russian agent. This is coming down to tax evasion and nothing to do with Russian Election Interference. I guess we will see what happens but don't hold your breath that anything substantial will come of this.
 
dyna said:
Mueller is a genius if he is going to tie money from most likely procedural mis-steps by the lobbyist(s) a decade ago to money used in this campaign to Russian hackers. It sounds like a losing battle. On the other hand, there is a direct tie to Russian interference with Zuckerberg/Facebook yet there are no indictments there. To say that Manafort is a Russian agent is like saying that Zuckerberg is a Russian agent. This is coming down to tax evasion and nothing to do with Russian Election Interference. I guess we will see what happens but don't hold your breath that anything substantial will come of this.
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Invoking false equivalency is a sign of desperation. So is false characterization of what Mueller is doing. He's making them sweat. They can't tell who's a rat & who's not. Papadopoulos spilled his guts, likely Flynn as well, and there's no telling who else has. What's really at the bottom of it remains obscure but it seems clear hat Mueller intends to find out.
 
Jhhnn said:
Invoking false equivalency is a sign of desperation. So is false characterization of what Mueller is doing. He's making them sweat. They can't tell who's a rat & who's not. Papadopoulos spilled his guts, likely Flynn as well, and there's no telling who else has. What's really at the bottom of it remains obscure but it seems clear hat Mueller intends to find out.
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The Mueller investigation will remain obscure until something substantial comes out and how it relates to the election. Everybody says they have something but nothing is being released. Since we know Facebook has 3000 ads, how about let the public form an opinion on how much influence they were. Yet all we hear are that 150 million+ people were influenced/brainwashed by them. Can you tell me how that is not possibly the most important part of the election interference? It is not false equivalency, the Facebook ad issue appears to be the way greater of an influence than anything else released so far. It should be scrutinized with the same ferocity. If indictments are being passed out for potential tax evasion, certainly somebody should be accountable for the Facebook ads. Zuckerberg?
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Muellers mandate casts a wide net. Think of a toothpaste tube. You want to get everything out so you squeeze from the bottom. It's going to take some time to empty everything, but occasionally you get a big sticky gob of gunk, like Manafort perhaps. But you keep squeezing from the bottom to the very top. That's why things take a long time. Mueller isn't getting some people, he's getting all there is. More effective than draining swamps where you can refill it and put your own critters back.
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Agreed. This is why I like these things - they uncover misdeeds (on whichever side) that were presumed to go unchallenged. THIS is draining the swamp, not just rotating alligators and Creatures From The Black- Um, Creatures From The African Amer . . . Um, Creatures From The Lagoon of Color. (My apologies to any offended lagoons, political correctness is hard.)
 
dyna said:
Mueller is a genius if he is going to tie money from most likely procedural mis-steps by the lobbyist(s) a decade ago to money used in this campaign to Russian hackers. It sounds like a losing battle.
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First, it was nowhere near to a 'procedural misstep' and it was not ten years ago. Second, there's no need to tie it to Russian hackers. Here's the appointment letter for Mueller:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...bert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html?_r=0

Here's the part that matters. Mueller is tasked with investigating:

i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation

That means if Mueller finds Russian money laundering from Manafort he can easily then start tracing that money and looking into the finances of the rest of the campaign, Trump included. Easy peasy, no genius required.

On the other hand, there is a direct tie to Russian interference with Zuckerberg/Facebook yet there are no indictments there. To say that Manafort is a Russian agent is like saying that Zuckerberg is a Russian agent.
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Zuckerberg was taking millions of dollars in Russian money and laundering it? As this is an explosive charge can you provide any evidence for this? Also, what indictments would you think appropriate for Facebook?

This is coming down to tax evasion and nothing to do with Russian Election Interference. I guess we will see what happens but don't hold your breath that anything substantial will come of this.
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This is pretty blatant wishful thinking. First, we already have at least one guilty plea for lying to the FBI about contacts between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. We have admitted attempts (after repeated lies) to meet with liaisons of the Russian government for the purposes of getting dirt on Clinton. We also very likely have additional charges to levy against Manafort that are being held back to prevent Trump from pardoning him. News reports say indictments of Trump's national security adviser and his son are coming.

This is just the beginning and it sure looks like it's going to get a lot worse before it's over.
 
I think if some of those indictments are related to Mueller’s investigation he might be waiting for Trump to get back to the US so he won’t say anything stupid while he’s overseas and possibly create some incident.
 
brandonbull said:
Podesta Group is feeling the heat. The links are starting to line up Clinton, DNC, and other Dems under Obama with corruption, bribery, and the Russians who are the guys that the Dems didn't consider a threat a few years ago.
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There's a huge difference in being caught in sleazy politics, and being caught lying under oath about sleazy politics. And financial crimes are a couple orders of magnitude above even that.
 
dyna said:
The Mueller investigation will remain obscure until something substantial comes out and how it relates to the election. Everybody says they have something but nothing is being released. Since we know Facebook has 3000 ads, how about let the public form an opinion on how much influence they were. Yet all we hear are that 150 million+ people were influenced/brainwashed by them. Can you tell me how that is not possibly the most important part of the election interference? It is not false equivalency, the Facebook ad issue appears to be the way greater of an influence than anything else released so far. It should be scrutinized with the same ferocity. If indictments are being passed out for potential tax evasion, certainly somebody should be accountable for the Facebook ads. Zuckerberg?
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Blaming the victims? None of this has been good for facebook. They've been very forthcoming about how they were used, just like everybody else, just like you're trying to do now.
 
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