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From the political commentators that I have heard today and their callers I wouldn't be half surprised if Mueller had slightly less exaggerated versions of these thoughts wander through his mind.


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blackangst1 said:
Trump isnt.
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Should he be? I’m confused was the Mueller investigation a legitimate or a Wtich Hunt? Was it for Russian interference in our election or for potential financial crimes committed by Trump, or was it for emoluments violations by Trump?

How do you feel about it?
 
It's hilarious that people here are gloating because the investigation ONLY proved that Trump's campaign/administration is rife with corruption and that they, Trump included, repeatedly obstructed justice. They just weren't sure about direct collusion. Not sure. Not innocent, just not guilty beyond reasonable doubt of the worst crime they've been accused of.

Funny how the standards that the president should be held to have taken a dive of epic proportions in just two years. Meanwhile the rival Democrat candidate from that election is guilty of everything, despite her worst offense being equivalent to the least of what Trump has done.
 
blackangst1 said:
When is the thread headline gonna get changed?
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After a certain amount of time the OT may not be able to change the thread title...

However if he could perhaps (but maybe not for conspiracy/collusion) might be a suitable subtitle.

I still would say Trump is definitely vulnerable to Fraud and Emoluments Violations prosecutions if the leads are followed.


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Paratus said:
Should he be? I’m confused was the Mueller investigation a legitimate or a Wtich Hunt? Was it for Russian interference in our election or for potential financial crimes committed by Trump, or was it for emoluments violations by Trump?

How do you feel about it?
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Ive stated several times over the lst 18 months I support the investigation, and would support whatever conclusion that came from it. Russian interference DID influence our election (which Ive also said several times) but it appears there was no collusion by Trump. So there's that...
 
blankslate said:
After a certain amount of time the OT may not be able to change the thread title...

However if he could perhaps (but maybe not for conspiracy/collusion) might be a suitable subtitle.

I still would say Trump is definitely vulnerable to Fraud and Emoluments Violations prosecutions if the leads are followed.


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I wouldnt hold my breath. I mean, look through the threads just this forum on how many people were SURE there is evidence of collusion. Well, there isnt. Fake news indeed.
 
blackangst1 said:
I wouldnt hold my breath. I mean, look through the threads just this forum on how many people were SURE there is evidence of collusion. Well, there isnt. Fake news indeed.
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There is such evidence, it's just inconclusive, insufficient for criminal prosecution. It's not like Jr, Jared & Manafort didn't go to the trump tower meeting for such purposes- they just claim they didn't get what they came for.
 
Jhhnn said:
There is such evidence, it's just inconclusive, insufficient for criminal prosecution. It's not like Jr, Jared & Manafort didn't go to the trump tower meeting for such purposes- they just claim they didn't get what they came for.
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Wrong. There was no evidence of collusion. Whats indeterminate is obstruction.
 
Jhhnn said:
There is such evidence, it's just inconclusive, insufficient for criminal prosecution. It's not like Jr, Jared & Manafort didn't go to the trump tower meeting for such purposes- they just claim they didn't get what they came for.
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And since Manafort stopped cooperating, there is no one in that room who will verify that any sort of quid pro quo deal was made. That's why it doesn't surprise me that Mueller had insufficient evidence of collusion. There is only two ways to bust a conspiracy: either you get an agreement on video/audio tape, which requires a wiretap, or one of the co-conspirators admits it. We don't have either of those things here.
 
woolfe9998 said:
And since Manafort stopped cooperating, there is no one in that room who will verify that any sort of quid pro quo deal was made. That's why it doesn't surprise me that Mueller had insufficient evidence of collusion. There is only two ways to bust a conspiracy: either you get an agreement on video/audio tape, which requires a wiretap, or one of the co-conspirators admits it. We don't have either of those things here.
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The report says NO evidence of collision, not insufficient
 
blackangst1 said:
The report says NO evidence of collision, not insufficient
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There
blackangst1 said:
Wrong. There was no evidence of collusion. Whats indeterminate is obstruction.
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You need to better parse Barr's letter. The Special Counsel did not establish that illegal conspiracy occurred, not that there is no evidence-

https://www.scribd.com/document/402...se-and-Senate-Judiciary-Committees#from_embed

The explanations of the Trump tower meeting, for example, merely establish plausible deniability & that's all that's required.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Let's see how Mueller characterizes it.
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I have heard that Barr consulted with Mueller before releasing his summary (even if that source on the radio was incorrect) we have seen Mueller correct a news organization that he felt was characterizing his statements in a wrong manner.
I believe if Mueller felt that Barr's summary was too inaccurate he would release a correction to Barr's statement.


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