Incomprehensible mass shooting happens again

[eelw]

We've had 20+ years since Columbine to figure this out, but it's kind of like COVID...a lot of people don't want to mask, don't want to get the vaccine, and so we just put up with a million people dying, whereas other countries that got their act together had less than 2,500 COVID-related deaths.

Yup a selfish minority causing all these problems

 

[Kaido]

Out of interest, is there a legal obligation to actually _wear_ seatbelts in the US?

Pretty sure I've seen pictures of Trump in the back of that Limo (apparently called "The Beast") without a seatbelt on - has a President ever been fined for that?

Rishi Sunak fined for not wearing seatbelt during Lancashire visit

‘Brief error of judgment’ captured while PM was recording Instagram video in back of moving car

www.theguardian.com

So in America at least, it gets weird:

1. "With the exception of New Hampshire, all states and the District of Columbia require adult front-seat occupants to use seat belts. Adult rear-seat passengers also are covered by the laws in 32 states and the District of Columbia. Children are covered by separate laws."

2. But like...kids don't even have the options of wearing seatbelts on a bus because they don't exist (for a variety of reasons).

3. Limos have seatbelts, although enforcement is pretty mixed (from my limited experience in them, I've never seen any passengers buckle up). There was a pretty limo bad crash that killed 20 people (18 passengers & 2 pedestrians; the driver lived) a few years ago. In that state (New York), only the front-seat passengers were required to wear them; none of the passengers in the back had seatbelts on.

 

[Pohemi]

Out of interest, is there a legal obligation to actually _wear_ seatbelts in the US?

As IronWing and Kaido pointed out, most states do have some type of laws requiring their use. States differ, as does the frequency of enforcement. Many have now included laws restricting police from pulling you over JUST for that reason, due to it unequally affecting minorities because of police bias and discrimination. I can say I definitely got pulled over for it in WI at least once or twice when I was younger, maybe 25 to 30 years ago (I'm white fwiw).

 

[WelshBloke]

It's difficult because then what do you do about illegal guns?

Most of those illegal guns were legal at some point. Cut off the supply and slowly seize the illegal ones though searches.

 

[eelw]

Most of those illegal guns were legal at some point. Cut off the supply and slowly seize the illegal ones though searches.

And hold the original owner, gun shop, manufacturers responsible

 

[Kaido]

Yup a selfish minority causing all these problems

It's difficult because you get a few bad eggs who ruin things for everybody. Shooting guns is pretty fun & everyone I personally know who own them are typically extremely responsible with their weapons...they have safes, they have legal authorization, they do training, their families are taught gun safety, etc.

Statistically, 40% of American households own guns, so nearly half the nation has access to firearms at home:

How Many People In The U.S. Own Guns?

One report says the U.S. has just 4% of the world’s population but owns about 40% of civilian-owned firearms globally.

wamu.org

Mass shootings make up only 0.1% of firearm homicides:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/mass-shootings/

The majority of the people who own guns live with them responsibly. It gets even more watered-down statistically:

1. 99.59% of US deaths are NOT firearm homicides
2. Of that 0.41% of firearm homicides, 99.77% are not mass shootings



And despite what is accepted as common knowledge regarding semi-automatic weapons, it's actually handguns that account for the majority of mass public shootings: (over 50%)

 

[misuspita]

Well then, even if it sounds harsh, don't panic or feel bad or send thoughts and prayers when a mass murder happens in your neighbourhood, cause this is just collateral damage of the freedom to carry assault weapons.

 

[dawp]

maybe a good boy with gun can stop a bad boy with a gun

Man dies after dog steps on rifle, causing it to fire, Kansas officials say

The 30-year-old was shot in a truck on a country road about 45 miles south of Wichita, the Wellington fire chief said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Kaido]

Well then, even if it sounds harsh, don't panic or feel bad or send thoughts and prayers when a mass murder happens in your neighbourhood, cause this is just collateral damage of the freedom to carry assault weapons.

I think that's where balance comes in...do we really NEED to have semi-automatic assault weapons in the hands of private citizens? Australia did pretty good with a government ban & buyback. I mean, look at Tylenol...a batch got poisoned, 7 people died, and the whole COUNTRY went nuts! They spent $100 million dollars (in 1982 money!) on things like new tamper-proof packaging, which became the industry standard, and Congress introduced a bill making it a federal offense to tamper with consumer products:

How the Tylenol murders of 1982 changed the way we consume medication

Early on the morning of Sept. 29, 1982, a tragic, medical mystery began with a sore throat and a runny nose. It was then that Mary Kellerman, a 12-year-old girl from Elk Grove Village, a suburb of Chicago, told her mother and father about her symptoms. They gave her one extra-strength Tylenol...

www.pbs.org

Meanwhile, we had 647 mass shootings last year alone:

The US had 647 mass shootings in 2022. Here's the full list.

More than 44,000 people died due to gun violence overall in 2022, according to the Gun Violence Archive, which keeps tracks of US mass shootings.

www.insider.com

What changes did we make in response to not 7 deaths but THOUSANDS of deaths? Well, we sold a lot more guns...

An Official Journal Of The NRA | 2022 Gun Sales Numbers Near Pre-Pandemic High

According to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System, 2022 is edging closer by the day to eclipsing all pre-pandemic annual gun sales totals, and this month, enthusiasts in Oregon are piling the numbers up.

www.americanrifleman.org

 

[Kaido]

Just updated to 36. We are living in crazy times:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/23/politics/mass-shootings-in-2023-what-matters/index.html

Update: 39 mass shootings now

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/23/politics/mass-shootings-in-2023-what-matters/index.html

 

[Fenixgoon]

Update: 39 mass shootings now

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/23/politics/mass-shootings-in-2023-what-matters/index.html

is america great again yet? i can't tell

 

[brycejones]

It's difficult because you get a few bad eggs who ruin things for everybody. Shooting guns is pretty fun & everyone I personally know who own them are typically extremely responsible with their weapons...they have safes, they have legal authorization, they do training, their families are taught gun safety, etc.

Statistically, 40% of American households own guns, so nearly half the nation has access to firearms at home:

How Many People In The U.S. Own Guns?

One report says the U.S. has just 4% of the world’s population but owns about 40% of civilian-owned firearms globally.

wamu.org

Mass shootings make up only 0.1% of firearm homicides:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/mass-shootings/

The majority of the people who own guns live with them responsibly. It gets even more watered-down statistically:

1. 99.59% of US deaths are NOT firearm homicides
2. Of that 0.41% of firearm homicides, 99.77% are not mass shootings

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And despite what is accepted as common knowledge regarding semi-automatic weapons, it's actually handguns that account for the majority of mass public shootings: (over 50%)

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This is why all semi-automatic weapons that can hold more than 3 rounds need to be banned and yes I'm including revolvers.

 

[Muse]

It's not just about the direct impact, either. My buddy is a Columbine survivor & he's still pretty messed up to this day, nearly 25 years later, all because two kids chose to inflict violence on others. All of the schools around here now do active shooter training just like they do with fire drills. We need to patch the timeline fork & go back to where kids don't have to learn to hide from shooters

Yup. So sad that kids have to wonder if someone is in the hall right now with an assault weapon. When I went to school such things never happened.

Speaking of the car accident deaths. Last time I got in my car (12 days ago. Jan. 12, 2023) I did my every other week Costco trek. OK, so 12 days after "the holidays" were over. I was on local freeway and I saw several different cars' drivers driving like complete lunatics. Impaired or crazy. I never had those experiences years ago. I haven't been seeing accidents, I'm sure only because I have been driving <500 miles/year. Even before the pandemic, <1000 miles/year.

 

[Muse]

How about major jail time, like mandatory ten years.

Yes, I'm in favor of big time penalties for illegal gun possession, in tandem with making gun possession illegal, PERIOD. Yup, I want to disarm America. I AM the NRA's nightmare.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yup. So sad that kids have to wonder if someone is in the hall right now with an assault weapon. When I went to school such things never happened.

Speaking of the car accident deaths. Last time I got in my car (12 days ago. Jan. 12, 2023) I did my every other week Costco trek. OK, so 12 days after "the holidays" were over. I was on local freeway and I saw several different cars' drivers driving like complete lunatics. Impaired or crazy. I never had those experiences years ago. I haven't been seeing accidents, I'm sure only because I have been driving <500 miles/year. Even before the pandemic, <1000 miles/year.

I swear, it's like something happened to people because they had to wear masks and stay home during the pandemic. Modern humans (at least US humans) have extremely limited coping skills anymore.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I swear, it's like something happened to people because they had to wear masks and stay home during the pandemic.

It could be brain damage due to COVID exposure. The virus has been shown to have almost ever lasting detrimental effects on the body. Possibly the DNA of the entire human race has been modified permanently for the worse.

 

[Muse]

I swear, it's like something happened to people because they had to wear masks and stay home during the pandemic. Modern humans (at least US humans) have extremely limited coping skills anymore.

I have fair coping skills because I've had to cope with a lot of tough stuff over the years. Not all the time, just once in a while, but it's no shock when I find myself in a situation demanding I cope. I never act out behind the wheel. I suppose once upon a time, but not for decades.

I see drivers all the time, not because I'm driving, it's because I'm out of the house, skating, bicycling, occasionally walking. I'm quite sensitive to driver's characteristics. You can tell what they're like by the way they drive. You know if they're insane, for openers.

 

[woolfe9998]

WTF? That shooter in Half Moon Bay, which is less than 30 minutes from where I live, was over a $100 repair bill?

Dispute over $100 repair bill may have played a role in Half Moon Bay shootings that left 7 dead, district attorney says | CNN

A dispute over a $100 repair bill may have contributed to a pair of shootings that left seven people dead and another injured last week in Half Moon Bay, California, the San Mateo County district attorney told a local news station.

www.cnn.com

The guy shoots and kills 7 people because he got charged $100 for damaging a piece of farm equipment...

What's next? Shoot the dry cleaner for over-starching your collars?

 

[ivwshane]

WTF? That shooter in Half Moon Bay, which is less than 30 minutes from where I live, was over a $100 repair bill?

Dispute over $100 repair bill may have played a role in Half Moon Bay shootings that left 7 dead, district attorney says | CNN

A dispute over a $100 repair bill may have contributed to a pair of shootings that left seven people dead and another injured last week in Half Moon Bay, California, the San Mateo County district attorney told a local news station.

www.cnn.com

The guy shoots and kills 7 people because he got charged $100 for damaging a piece of farm equipment...

What's next? Shoot the dry cleaner for over-starching your collars?

Well, if he didn’t have a gun I’m sure it would have been a mass stabbing.

 

[Muse]

WTF? That shooter in Half Moon Bay, which is less than 30 minutes from where I live, was over a $100 repair bill?

Dispute over $100 repair bill may have played a role in Half Moon Bay shootings that left 7 dead, district attorney says | CNN

A dispute over a $100 repair bill may have contributed to a pair of shootings that left seven people dead and another injured last week in Half Moon Bay, California, the San Mateo County district attorney told a local news station.

www.cnn.com

The guy shoots and kills 7 people because he got charged $100 for damaging a piece of farm equipment...

What's next? Shoot the dry cleaner for over-starching your collars?

Conditions on those farms were appalling even by 3rd world standards. That gave rise to animosities which ultimately led to this. The confrontation about the $100 charge against him triggered the incident.

 

[igor_kavinski]

What's next? Shoot the dry cleaner for over-starching your collars?

I witnessed a pretty cool guy lose it spectacularly over his stained shirt. Didn't know he was capable of such a public outburst until that happened. He threw his shirt back at the employees of the laundry business and stormed out. Outside, he returned to being his normal cheerful self and it was like nothing had happened. One of the weirdest mood swings I've seen in someone.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The confrontation about the $100 charge against him triggered the incident.

The proverbial straw.

I have this idea of a device that is able to wirelessly determine the brain waves coming out of a person and if those seem to be disturbed, to flag the person to be taken away immediately for the sake of public safety.

Despite being released in 1993, this movie rings true more now than it probably did back then: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106856/

 

[Muse]

The proverbial straw.

I have this idea of a device that is able to wirelessly determine the brain waves coming out of a person and if those seem to be disturbed, to flag the person to be taken away immediately for the sake of public safety.

Despite being released in 1993, this movie rings true more now than it probably did back then: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106856/

Well, that's what Jack the Ripper was evidently about.

 

[woolfe9998]

Conditions on those farms were appalling even by 3rd world standards. That gave rise to animosities which ultimately led to this. The confrontation about the $100 charge against him triggered the incident.

By "those farms" you are referring to mushroom farms in Half Moon Bay?

 

[Muse]

By "those farms" you are referring to mushroom farms in Half Moon Bay?

Yes, those two mushroom farms in 1/2 Moon Bay