"Incident" in London, Van Hits Pedestrians at London Bridge

[justoh]

Aaaaaaand he attacks him on Twitter again. Doubling down on his lie taking his words out of context and blaming the 'MSM' for covering for him. This piece of shit can't control himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...fter-terrorist-attack/?utm_term=.0845dc6d6b4b

Anyone saying not to be alarmed is worthy of scorn.

Context? Don't be alarmed by the recent terror attacks. Don't be alarmed by the visible increase in law enforcement dudes in response to these attacks. If you consider the context then they're either essentially the same or else the city is wasting resources. But if justified then alarming.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Anyone saying not to be alarmed is worthy of scorn.

Context? Don't be alarmed by the recent terror attacks. Don't be alarmed by the visible increase in law enforcement dudes in response to these attacks. If you consider the context then they're either essentially the same or else the city is wasting resources. But if justified then alarming.

Really? So we should be alarmed at every security presence that exists? Airports? Schools? Everything should just be alarming?

 

[DrunkenSano]

Depends on how people define alarmed. If being alarmed means being more vigilant of suspicious activity because of the increase security presence, then yes. If being alarmed means panicking and being terrified, no.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Depends on how people define alarmed. If being alarmed means being more vigilant of suspicious activity because of the increase security presence, then yes. If being alarmed means panicking and being terrified, no.

Or just being aware that police presence doesn't necessarily mean people are going to be beheaded in the streets, hence no cause for alarm at that moment. That's what my interpretation of the mayor's message was.

 

[justoh]

Or maybe try being aware of why people must have witnessed an increase in police presence. Maybe it was due to an increase in police, because of recent alarming events. Even a waste of resources would be alarming, come to think of it. Can't think of any non-alarming reason why you'd see a sudden surge in police presence. Maybe if a lot of cops show up in uniform to a convention at the same time?

Anyway, necessarily alarming. Find something legitimate to complain about, like Islam.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Or just being aware that police presence doesn't necessarily mean people are going to be beheaded in the streets, hence no cause for alarm at that moment. That's what my interpretation of the mayor's message was.

I guess it's just different interpretations. I wouldn't have crafted the message the way the mayor did. It sounded like, 'Oh don't worry about the extra police presence, nothing to be worried about. Nothing to see here, continue on.' A statement that I personally wouldn't agree with. A better message would be to tell the people that the security is there to ensure everyone's safety and that everyone should be extra vigilant for any threats or suspicious activities, to report to the authorities immediately if they witness something like that. But then again, I live near NYC and travel for business via EWR so that is something I'm more use to in this setting.

 

[Stokely]

There's "out of context" in the sense that the overall goals or tone of words are misrepresented--case, if someone is joking around, and this isn't mentioned, then the joke can come across with a completely different meaning. "I'd like to squish his head" for example.

Then there's just straight-up leaving words off of a conversation, which is what this is. How fucking childish and/or stupid can you be, pick one.

Basically....
"I'd like to have your mom over for dinner."

"Ooh, you said you'd like to have my mom!"

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I guess it's just different interpretations. I wouldn't have crafted the message the way the mayor did. It sounded like, 'Oh don't worry about the extra police presence, nothing to be worried about. Nothing to see here, continue on.' A statement that I personally wouldn't agree with. A better message would be to tell the people that the security is there to ensure everyone's safety and that everyone should be extra vigilant for any threats or suspicious activities, to report to the authorities immediately if they witness something like that. But then again, I live near NYC and travel for business via EWR so that is something I'm more use to in this setting.

Agreed, it might be different interpretations. A president should have a level of decorum to not try to jab at another leader at a time like this, though.

 

[DrunkenSano]

A president should have a level of decorum to not try to jab at another leader at a time like this, though.

That is pretty much a given for this administration and can be applied to anything he touches. But that is what a lot of people voted for this time around, a president that isn't like any other presidents we've recently had. Now they get to see what it really means.

 

[justoh]

A president who recognizes the threat posed by Islam. The only one there is? Can't think of any other leaders who acknowledge it as a problem. Trump may be the greatest president alive.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

A president who recognizes the threat posed by Islam. The only one there is? Can't think of any other leaders who acknowledge it as a problem. Trump may be the greatest president alive.

Justoh, thank you for furthering the progressive intent by looking pants-on-head insane.

 

[OutHouse]

No thanks. I don't fancy living in a country where guns are seen as part of everyday life.

the armed police saved lives. a few more would have been saved that night if all cops were armed.

 

[Blue_Max]

A president who recognizes the threat posed by Islam. The only one there is? Can't think of any other leaders who acknowledge it as a problem. Trump may be the greatest president alive.

Apparently Poland (of all places!) has not allowed in the European flow of economic / hijra "migrants" and has subsequently been the only European country not flooded with crime, violence and rape.

Denying basic reality can be suicidal, even if it's the politically correct thing to do.

 

[J.Wilkins]

the armed police saved lives. a few more would have been saved that night if all cops were armed.

OTOH there are more police shootings per day in the US than per year in the UK.

If you take population size into account that is 6000% more fatal police shootings in the US compared to the UK.

Then you have to consider that it took the armed police 7 minutes to respond and kill the terrorists, that's an extraordinarily good response time by any measure.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Apparently Poland (of all places!) has not allowed in the European flow of economic / hijra "migrants" and has subsequently been the only European country not flooded with crime, violence and rape.

Denying basic reality can be suicidal, even if it's the politically correct thing to do.

They've sent all their poor and undesirables to the UK.

 

[Will Thatcher]

I see that a lot of people are going insane on this, people are scared, this is not a solution. I am saying that we need to keep our own and even if some people are insane, that does not mean we need to share their insanity. If we were to go to muslim countries and do horrendous crimes, it would not make us any better. My point is that the rules regarding the rights and religions in a country which receives you with it's arms wide open should be respected. That is what should happen. I do not agree with these discrimination laws, where everyone is protected in the UK, except the actual people of the UK. I am not talking about hard working immigrants, which come from all over the world and that respect the laws, I am talking about radicals and what they do.

 

[HTFOff]

"Ooh, you said you'd like to have my mom!"

His mom is hot, to be fair.

 

[0roo0roo]

Watch what they won't show you.

https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/872521775594315777
so often can't keep track...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ife-woman-bandana-Canada-London-Bridge-attack
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/0...ear-old-to-death-for-being-loud-german-police
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...spanish-wedding-ceremony-crying-allahu-akbar/

 

[Paratus]

the armed police saved lives. a few more would have been saved that night if all cops were armed.

Fuck that. They needed more drunk soccer hooligans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

London attack: Football fan shouted 'F*** you, I’m Millwall' and took on 3 knife-wielding terrorists with his bare fists

This was after 4-5 pints. :beer:

Edit: he just got out of hospital.

 

[pmv]

OTOH there are more police shootings per day in the US than per year in the UK.

If you take population size into account that is 6000% more fatal police shootings in the US compared to the UK.

Then you have to consider that it took the armed police 7 minutes to respond and kill the terrorists, that's an extraordinarily good response time by any measure.

Absolutely this. I've seen what happens when all police are habitually armed in the US - an endless stream of dubiously-justified shootings (particularly of black people and the mentally ill), and catastrophic consequences like Fergusson. No thanks, do not want. It's far too premature to let a tiny minority of nutcases bounce us into following that example.

Incidentally, it used to be that firearms were issued to ordinary cops on an ad-hoc basis. The reason we now have specialised firearms officers is that it turned out everyday cops were such terrible shots. The Stephen Waldorf case was a turning point, weirdly enough, apparently not because they shot the wrong guy, but because despite firing hundreds of rounds only a handful hit the (innocent) target and they failed to kill him. Maybe we could use more specialised firearms cops, especially outside London, but the system we currently have still seems the least-bad option, to me.

Also, I think the arguments over 'shoot to kill' policies are very confused, as people don't seem to know what they actually mean by that expression.

I do favour more restrictions on where motorised vehicles are allowed to go (more could be done to keep them away from areas crowded with pedestrians), but while that might help a tiny bit with terror attacks it's just something I'd like to see anyway.

 

[brycejones]

Anyone saying not to be alarmed is worthy of scorn.

Context? Don't be alarmed by the recent terror attacks. Don't be alarmed by the visible increase in law enforcement dudes in response to these attacks. If you consider the context then they're either essentially the same or else the city is wasting resources. But if justified then alarming.

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