Inappropriate Behavior

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Corn
You are wasting your breath.

Originally posted by: alchemize
You didn't read the unwritten rules, did you.

yeap.

'tis a shame, but 'tis true.

Well if it's true you benefited from it when you used your own daughter to personally attack another and nothing came of it until you complained about the member you personally attacked responded in kind and you complained about it

Hogwash. That event took place after n pages of back-and-forth flaming between Phokus and I. The issue here, obviously, is one where an unprovoked attack took place. The two are not analogous. Barry was flamed - scratch that: scorched - by oldsmoboat. Based on Common Courtesy's statement, which has been quoted for your convenience, olds' post is vacationable.

The issue between Phokus and I was an entirely different scenario. I'm sure you know this. Outside of your paranoia that perhaps I was making a veiled reference to that situation - which I was not - I can't fathom why you'd bring it up.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I just love it how people complain about mods abusing their powers, then fail to point out who they are or what they said. I don't think that accusations like that are going to get you very far. In fact, it may be entirely futile to even complain about certain people here. At the end of the day, the only power you hold over them is to post elsewhere and cost AT the advertising revenue that your hits gave them.

I have many times. I've even been banned for it because I was calling out a mod when I didn't mention ANY names. Fuck you, I'm not going to bother just to satisfy some non-factor's passive aggressive post.

 

[SickBeast]

Nik for someone who complains about mods who troll people without provocation, you sure do look like a hypocrite right now.

 

[Nik]

Yes, because this thread is the first time I've ever insulted someone. Besides, I'm the only person in this thread that's posted without examples so it's pretty clear you're referring to me. Your passive aggressive garbage doesn't exactly scream polite and respect, either. What did you expect as a reply? A reach-around?

 

[SickBeast]

What I want is for you to actually come on here and tell us what your problem is rather than wasting our time with your trite diatribe, insulting innocent members in the process. This is the equivalent of going into the General Hardware forum with a problem and just saying "hey, my computer blew up, what should I do?" without telling us what kind of processor you have or anything.

Essentially I want you to cut the crap and tell us who you're complaining about and what they've done.

 

[Nik]

I've already clearly posted it with examples and links galore several times in this forum each time it comes up. If you're too lazy to search, why should I bother?

 

[sandorski]

You can say all kinds of things to Mods in Threads, but the second you Post: "I would expect better from a Mod....bla bla bla", you're gonna get Vacationed/Banned. It is the exception someone isn't. Anyone who goes down that road is simply wanting to get Vacationed/Banned and I have no sympathy for them.

Mods post(99 44/100%) as Members, post back as if they are.

 

[JEDIYoda]

what we have is people crying who believe they can do no wrong..or have done no wrong!

They have no clue about what they are talking about...they bring up situations such as the Jbourne issue with somebodys daughter that was totally handled correctly!

Ands other issues you cvan`t possibly take one statement and compare it to another statement without seeing what caused the statement......as in this complaining party starting what led to the issues....

Bottom line--- Don`t nmess with the mods!!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
what we have is people crying who believe they can do no wrong..or have done no wrong!

They have no clue about what they are talking about...they bring up situations such as the Jbourne issue with somebodys daughter that was totally handled correctly!

Ands other issues you cvan`t possibly take one statement and compare it to another statement without seeing what caused the statement......as in this complaining party starting what led to the issues....

Bottom line--- Don`t nmess with the mods!!

You can mess with me. If I'm posting as a member and you don't like I what I posted you can reply in kind to me as long as you address me as a member. When I'm acting in my capacity as a Mod you can complain about that here or via PM to the Mod account or to DK. What you can't do is reference to me as a Mod when you are complaining about something I posted as a member or when responding to me when I post as a member because I'm not acting in my capacity as a Mod.

Originally posted by: Nik
Don't forget the mods that wash the forums in wanton personal attacks and repeatedly troll certain members like Mosh

I know who and what you are talking about and I disagree that it's unprovoked or trolling, at least in the case you bring up. The Mod posting as a member took issue with what Mosh had posted and responded about it. It's no different than the way you always take issues about what Sixone posts in L&R. Yeah you've been warned about it but that's because both you and her keep going at it which eventually derails a thread (also Sixone isn't as hypersensitive as Mosh is and usually gives you as much as you dish out)

What I do notice about you and some of the others is that you spend a lot of time in this forum adding your 2 cents to every issue that comes up, usually when it has nothing to do with you unlike this thread. Most of the time your input is non constructive and only serves to derail a thread here and take away from the issue being discussed. If it were up to me, which it isn't, I'd make a rule stating that the only members that are allowed to post in PFI thread discussing certain issues are the ones directly involved. Now that wouldn't be the case in this thread as it isn't about one certain issu but in the vast majority of cases threads here are and the participation of members like you and other whoi routinely chip in their 2 cents aren't helpful and usually the cause for the thread to be locked prematurely.

As for Mods always looking the other way when another Mod does something that seems inappropriate, that is definitely not the case. Just because we don't air our disagreements publicly doesn't mean that we don't have disagreements, you just aren't going to be privy to them.

 

[seemingly random]

It seems that most p&n complaints posted here are from a poster who's lost an argument over the 'normal' course of things and can't deal with failure. So they come in here with some lightweight (or totally contrived) accusation in hopes that they'll get some redemption. Pretty weak.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
what we have is people crying who believe they can do no wrong..or have done no wrong!

They have no clue about what they are talking about...they bring up situations such as the Jbourne issue with somebodys daughter that was totally handled correctly!

Ands other issues you cvan`t possibly take one statement and compare it to another statement without seeing what caused the statement......as in this complaining party starting what led to the issues....

Bottom line--- Don`t nmess with the mods!!

You can mess with me. If I'm posting as a member and you don't like I what I posted you can reply in kind to me as long as you address me as a member. When I'm acting in my capacity as a Mod you can complain about that here or via PM to the Mod account or to DK. What you can't do is reference to me as a Mod when you are complaining about something I posted as a member or when responding to me when I post as a member because I'm not acting in my capacity as a Mod.

Originally posted by: Nik
Don't forget the mods that wash the forums in wanton personal attacks and repeatedly troll certain members like Mosh

I know who and what you are talking about and I disagree that it's unprovoked or trolling, at least in the case you bring up. The Mod posting as a member took issue with what Mosh had posted and responded about it. It's no different than the way you always take issues about what Sixone posts in L&R. Yeah you've been warned about it but that's because both you and her keep going at it which eventually derails a thread (also Sixone isn't as hypersensitive as Mosh is and usually gives you as much as you dish out)

What I do notice about you and some of the others is that you spend a lot of time in this forum adding your 2 cents to every issue that comes up, usually when it has nothing to do with you unlike this thread. Most of the time your input is non constructive and only serves to derail a thread here and take away from the issue being discussed. If it were up to me, which it isn't, I'd make a rule stating that the only members that are allowed to post in PFI thread discussing certain issues are the ones directly involved. Now that wouldn't be the case in this thread as it isn't about one certain issu but in the vast majority of cases threads here are and the participation of members like you and other whoi routinely chip in their 2 cents aren't helpful and usually the cause for the thread to be locked prematurely.

As for Mods always looking the other way when another Mod does something that seems inappropriate, that is definitely not the case. Just because we don't air our disagreements publicly doesn't mean that we don't have disagreements, you just aren't going to be privy to them.

How did I provoke with what I posted Red? Provide details. It was clearly misinterpreted and pointed out as such by other members in the thread. If it is the incident I think you are speaking of about moonbeam I will tell you this - my post was in reference to it being scary that Skoorb thought moonbeam could be his wife. That would be scary, to have a member here end up being someone you knew in real life like that. Saying that was worthy of the personal attack I received? So you see the attack was, once again, unprovoked. You will notice that "hypersensitive" Mosh doesn't respond to his personal attacks anymore, in fact it's been a long since I have, because they are so random, and he is not accountable for anything said on this board. He never will be either.

This whole thread is a waste. Nothing will ever come of it except people who are sick of the indiscrepancies and others on the opposite side who are pitiful sack riders coming out and saying the same thing for the umpteenth time.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You can mess with me. If I'm posting as a member and you don't like I what I posted you can reply in kind to me as long as you address me as a member. When I'm acting in my capacity as a Mod you can complain about that here or via PM to the Mod account or to DK. What you can't do is reference to me as a Mod when you are complaining about something I posted as a member or when responding to me when I post as a member because I'm not acting in my capacity as a Mod.

Originally posted by: Nik
Don't forget the mods that wash the forums in wanton personal attacks and repeatedly troll certain members like Mosh

I know who and what you are talking about and I disagree that it's unprovoked or trolling, at least in the case you bring up. The Mod posting as a member took issue with what Mosh had posted and responded about it. It's no different than the way you always take issues about what Sixone posts in L&R. Yeah you've been warned about it but that's because both you and her keep going at it which eventually derails a thread (also Sixone isn't as hypersensitive as Mosh is and usually gives you as much as you dish out)

What I do notice about you and some of the others is that you spend a lot of time in this forum adding your 2 cents to every issue that comes up, usually when it has nothing to do with you unlike this thread. Most of the time your input is non constructive and only serves to derail a thread here and take away from the issue being discussed. If it were up to me, which it isn't, I'd make a rule stating that the only members that are allowed to post in PFI thread discussing certain issues are the ones directly involved. Now that wouldn't be the case in this thread as it isn't about one certain issu but in the vast majority of cases threads here are and the participation of members like you and other whoi routinely chip in their 2 cents aren't helpful and usually the cause for the thread to be locked prematurely.

As for Mods always looking the other way when another Mod does something that seems inappropriate, that is definitely not the case. Just because we don't air our disagreements publicly doesn't mean that we don't have disagreements, you just aren't going to be privy to them.

How did I provoke with what I posted Red? Provide details. It was clearly misinterpreted and pointed out as such by other members in the thread. If it is the incident I think you are speaking of about moonbeam I will tell you this - my post was in reference to it being scary that Skoorb thought moonbeam could be his wife. That would be scary, to have a member here end up being someone you knew in real life like that. Saying that was worthy of the personal attack I received? So you see the attack was, once again, unprovoked. You will notice I don't respond to his attacks anymore, in fact it's been a long since I have, because they are so random, and he is not accountable for anything said on this board. He never will be either.

He felt what you posted was hypocritical and that's what he basically posted. I'm not saying he was right or wrong, I'm just stating the fact. As for being attacked that's pretty mild by any standard. So he doesn't like you personally, as long as he doesn't violate the rules as a member or use his capacity as a Mod to harass you get over it, much worse things have been posted in response to my opinions.

This whole thread is a waste. Nothing will ever come of it except people who are sick of the indiscrepancies and others on the opposite side who are pitiful sack riders coming out and saying the same thing for the umpteenth time.

Boy Howdy, I can just imagine the angst from you if someone called you a pitiful Sack Rider:roll:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You can mess with me. If I'm posting as a member and you don't like I what I posted you can reply in kind to me as long as you address me as a member. When I'm acting in my capacity as a Mod you can complain about that here or via PM to the Mod account or to DK. What you can't do is reference to me as a Mod when you are complaining about something I posted as a member or when responding to me when I post as a member because I'm not acting in my capacity as a Mod.

Originally posted by: Nik
Don't forget the mods that wash the forums in wanton personal attacks and repeatedly troll certain members like Mosh

I know who and what you are talking about and I disagree that it's unprovoked or trolling, at least in the case you bring up. The Mod posting as a member took issue with what Mosh had posted and responded about it. It's no different than the way you always take issues about what Sixone posts in L&R. Yeah you've been warned about it but that's because both you and her keep going at it which eventually derails a thread (also Sixone isn't as hypersensitive as Mosh is and usually gives you as much as you dish out)

What I do notice about you and some of the others is that you spend a lot of time in this forum adding your 2 cents to every issue that comes up, usually when it has nothing to do with you unlike this thread. Most of the time your input is non constructive and only serves to derail a thread here and take away from the issue being discussed. If it were up to me, which it isn't, I'd make a rule stating that the only members that are allowed to post in PFI thread discussing certain issues are the ones directly involved. Now that wouldn't be the case in this thread as it isn't about one certain issu but in the vast majority of cases threads here are and the participation of members like you and other whoi routinely chip in their 2 cents aren't helpful and usually the cause for the thread to be locked prematurely.

As for Mods always looking the other way when another Mod does something that seems inappropriate, that is definitely not the case. Just because we don't air our disagreements publicly doesn't mean that we don't have disagreements, you just aren't going to be privy to them.

How did I provoke with what I posted Red? Provide details. It was clearly misinterpreted and pointed out as such by other members in the thread. If it is the incident I think you are speaking of about moonbeam I will tell you this - my post was in reference to it being scary that Skoorb thought moonbeam could be his wife. That would be scary, to have a member here end up being someone you knew in real life like that. Saying that was worthy of the personal attack I received? So you see the attack was, once again, unprovoked. You will notice I don't respond to his attacks anymore, in fact it's been a long since I have, because they are so random, and he is not accountable for anything said on this board. He never will be either.

He felt what you posted was hypocritical and that's what he basically posted. I'm not saying he was right or wrong, I'm just stating the fact. As for being attacked that's pretty mild by any standard. So he doesn't like you personally, as long as he doesn't violate the rules as a member or use his capacity as a Mod to harass you get over it, much worse things have been posted in response to my opinions.

This whole thread is a waste. Nothing will ever come of it except people who are sick of the indiscrepancies and others on the opposite side who are pitiful sack riders coming out and saying the same thing for the umpteenth time.

Boy Howdy, I can just imagine the angst from you if someone called you a pitiful Sack Rider:roll:

He was wrong. What I said was not hypocritical. Not that I would expect you to do anything but defend him. I'm just stating that fact.

I understand he doesn't like me, but personal attacks are not allowed in the rules. So the rules have been violated. What a joke, right? I understand nothing will ever come of it. I just have to take it or leave.

The pitiful sack rider bit hit home, huh? Little hypersensitive about it, eh?

 

[seemingly random]

I've never heard of a sack rider. With a little research though, it seems to appropriately describe the op with a little righteousness plus some choice quote extractions included at no extra charge in a failed attempt to embarrass the mods.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

He was wrong. What I said was not hypocritical. Not that I would expect you to do anything but defend him. I'm just stating that fact.

Well at least according to you, he obviously felt different. Is being accused of hypocrisy really a personal attack or just a difference of opinion? I believe it's the latter. I'm not saying he was incorrect or not, I'm stating that it's nothing to get all worked up over.

I understand he doesn't like me, but personal attacks are not allowed in the rules. So the rules have been violated. What a joke, right? I understand nothing will ever come of it. I just have to take it or leave.

The pitiful sack rider bit hit home, huh? Little hypersensitive about it, eh?

No, I could not care less, I was just pointing out that if someone called you that you'd complain like there's no tomorrow. Obviously that's much worse than being accused of hypocrisy and look how upset you got over that.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

He was wrong. What I said was not hypocritical. Not that I would expect you to do anything but defend him. I'm just stating that fact.

Well at least according to you, he obviously felt different. Is being accused of hypocrisy really a personal attack or just a difference of opinion? I believe it's the latter. I'm not saying he was incorrect or not, I'm stating that it's nothing to get all worked up over.

I understand he doesn't like me, but personal attacks are not allowed in the rules. So the rules have been violated. What a joke, right? I understand nothing will ever come of it. I just have to take it or leave.

The pitiful sack rider bit hit home, huh? Little hypersensitive about it, eh?

No, I could not care less, I was just pointing out that if someone called you that you'd complain like there's no tomorrow. Obviously that's much worse than being accused of hypocrisy and look how upset you got over that.

I didn't get worked up over it. I only mentioned the incident after you brought it up in this thread and said you felt I had provoked it. I did not respond to him about it in the thread and wouldn't even have known about it if it weren't for the PMs I received directing me to it.

Where do you see me complaining "like no tomorrow" about anything? I certainly haven't brought it up in forum issues and like I've said, I only commented on the latest attack after you brought it up.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

He was wrong. What I said was not hypocritical. Not that I would expect you to do anything but defend him. I'm just stating that fact.

Well at least according to you, he obviously felt different. Is being accused of hypocrisy really a personal attack or just a difference of opinion? I believe it's the latter. I'm not saying he was incorrect or not, I'm stating that it's nothing to get all worked up over.

I understand he doesn't like me, but personal attacks are not allowed in the rules. So the rules have been violated. What a joke, right? I understand nothing will ever come of it. I just have to take it or leave.

The pitiful sack rider bit hit home, huh? Little hypersensitive about it, eh?

No, I could not care less, I was just pointing out that if someone called you that you'd complain like there's no tomorrow. Obviously that's much worse than being accused of hypocrisy and look how upset you got over that.

I didn't get worked up over it. I only mentioned the incident after you brought it up in this thread and said you felt I had provoked it. I did not respond to him about it in the thread and wouldn't even have known about it if it weren't for the PMs I received directing me to it.

Where do you see me complaining "like no tomorrow" about anything? I certainly haven't brought it up in forum issues and like I've said, I only commented on the latest attack after you brought it up.

:roll:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

He was wrong. What I said was not hypocritical. Not that I would expect you to do anything but defend him. I'm just stating that fact.

Well at least according to you, he obviously felt different. Is being accused of hypocrisy really a personal attack or just a difference of opinion? I believe it's the latter. I'm not saying he was incorrect or not, I'm stating that it's nothing to get all worked up over.

I understand he doesn't like me, but personal attacks are not allowed in the rules. So the rules have been violated. What a joke, right? I understand nothing will ever come of it. I just have to take it or leave.

The pitiful sack rider bit hit home, huh? Little hypersensitive about it, eh?

No, I could not care less, I was just pointing out that if someone called you that you'd complain like there's no tomorrow. Obviously that's much worse than being accused of hypocrisy and look how upset you got over that.

I didn't get worked up over it. I only mentioned the incident after you brought it up in this thread and said you felt I had provoked it. I did not respond to him about it in the thread and wouldn't even have known about it if it weren't for the PMs I received directing me to it.

Where do you see me complaining "like no tomorrow" about anything? I certainly haven't brought it up in forum issues and like I've said, I only commented on the latest attack after you brought it up.

:roll:

lol :thumbsup:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

I didn't get worked up over it. I only mentioned the incident after you brought it up in this thread and said you felt I had provoked it. I did not respond to him about it in the thread and wouldn't even have known about it if it weren't for the PMs I received directing me to it.

Where do you see me complaining "like no tomorrow" about anything? I certainly haven't brought it up in forum issues and like I've said, I only commented on the latest attack after you brought it up.

:roll:

lol :thumbsup:

I will say that you're entitled to be offended by another's opinion of you if that so happens to be the case. That said my comment that you responded to originally was about what was posted was not what I consider a personal attack, at least to the degree were it would warrant any Mod intervention whether the member was a Moderator or not. What was posted was just a matter of opinion. Those like Nik who supported you disagreed. That's fine but until I'm directed by Derek to sanction anything posted by one member that may offend another I don't see the double standard in that particular case.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

I didn't get worked up over it. I only mentioned the incident after you brought it up in this thread and said you felt I had provoked it. I did not respond to him about it in the thread and wouldn't even have known about it if it weren't for the PMs I received directing me to it.

Where do you see me complaining "like no tomorrow" about anything? I certainly haven't brought it up in forum issues and like I've said, I only commented on the latest attack after you brought it up.

:roll:

lol :thumbsup:

I will say that you're entitled to be offended by another's opinion of you if that so happens to be the case. That said my comment that you responded to originally was about what was posted was not what I consider a personal attack, at least to the degree were it would warrant any Mod intervention whether the member was a Moderator or not. What was posted was just a matter of opinion. Those like Nik who supported you disagreed. That's fine but until I'm directed by Derek to sanction anything posted by one member that may offend another I don't see the double standard in that particular case.

Let me get this straight, are you saying you will only sanction anything posted by one member that may offend another if Derek directs it? You can not or have not done this on your own without Derek's directive?

Still, I am not asking for moderator intervention in this case. I never did. Like I've said, I gave up on that approach quite some time ago.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Let me get this straight, are you saying you will only sanction anything posted by one member that may offend another if Derek directs it? You can not or have not done this on your own without Derek's directive?

No that's not what I'm saying.

Still, I am not asking for moderator intervention in this case. I never did.

Never said you did. Even you realized that it wasn't that big of a deal

Like I've said, I gave up on that approach quite some time ago

Yep frivolous complaints usually never get acted upon not that all your complaints were frivolous nor not acted upon.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
You will notice that "hypersensitive" Mosh doesn't respond to his personal attacks anymore, in fact it's been a long since I have, because they are so random, and he is not accountable for anything said on this board. He never will be either.

Nothing will ever come of it except people who are sick of the indiscrepancies and others on the opposite side who are pitiful sack riders coming out and saying the same thing for the umpteenth time.

THAT is what I was referring to.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Ban Red Dawn for blatant member callouts :laugh:

Regardless of all this other stuff, gonna have to agree with the OP. How can one member get banned for "ass" in P&N and another not for "uneducated dumbfuck" in PFI? I don't like butting in on PFI topics, but I feel it's personally relevant for all members to try to understand expectations of appropriate conduct.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: moshquerade
You will notice that "hypersensitive" Mosh doesn't respond to his personal attacks anymore, in fact it's been a long since I have, because they are so random, and he is not accountable for anything said on this board. He never will be either.

Nothing will ever come of it except people who are sick of the indiscrepancies and others on the opposite side who are pitiful sack riders coming out and saying the same thing for the umpteenth time.

THAT is what I was referring to.

yeap. there seems to a be a few Members and such that can/do say shit that is against the rules and know they will get away with it. Hell i have seen some do it after a mod has threatened others with the same act. They get called on it and what happens? nothing.

I do wish we would have someone that can be a go between the Moderation and users. yeah i know Derek is the guy. but can we get someone who is on more then once a year? someone who will respond to a PM/Email BEFORE the ban/vacation/whatever is done?

sack rider?...oh man. i love that term! lol

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: waggy
I do wish we would have someone that can be a go between the Moderation and users.

I thought that was me?