Inappropriate Behavior

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: waggy

yeap. there seems to a be a few Members and such that can/do say shit that is against the rules and know they will get away with it. Hell i have seen some do it after a mod has threatened others with the same act. They get called on it and what happens? nothing.

I do wish we would have someone that can be a go between the Moderation and users. yeah i know Derek is the guy. but can we get someone who is on more then once a year? someone who will respond to a PM/Email BEFORE the ban/vacation/whatever is done?

sack rider?...oh man. i love that term! lol

You see I don't have a problem letting people call others names, that's the way it was prior to Fusetalk and even before that when all the Nancies joined. Back then if we didn't like a person we'd run their ass off. It didn't seem to be a negative as that's when the forum really was catching on. I mean you should have seen the abuse members like me, Russ, H8tank and NoWheeman to name a few dished out on the Wounded Monitor Children. Man was that fun and the only people that got banned were the Thieves and Trolls like Puto the Stank. Now days people get their panties in a bunch over anything. Well that's just a reflection of Society. These forums have become like American Society and especially the younger generation, a bunch of entitled pussies. So be it, that's why I Mod P&N primarily, the members there aren't as big a bunch of Nancies like they are in the other forums, they are just bigger assholes

So yeah I get it when you guys complain about one member getting banned for calling another an ass while another member calls someone a dumbfuck and nothing happens to him. I think we should let all hang out and let the pussies find another place to post. But others don't feel that way which is cool, viva la difference. I'll tell you one thing, you won't see me threatening to ban someone for calling another an Ass or probably even a Dumbfuck (depending on the circumstance and forum)...unless I'm instructed by Derek to do so and so far I haven't been given that marching order. Of course keep in mind that's just the way I Mod, some other Mod might interpret the rules differently and act accordingly. And if I disagree with him/her well that's between us and not the membership.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: waggy
I do wish we would have someone that can be a go between the Moderation and users.

I thought that was me?

Respected:brokenheart:

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I'll tell you one thing, you won't see me threatening to ban someone for calling another an Ass or probably even a Dumbfuck (depending on the circumstance and forum)...unless I'm instructed by Derek to do so and so far I haven't been given that marching order. Of course keep in mind that's just the way I Mod, some other Mod might interpret the rules differently and act accordingly. And if I disagree with him/her well that's between us and not the membership.

Then, respectfully, I think you guys should compare notes and come to a common understanding of the rules, or otherwise rewrite the rules in clearer terms. For what little my opinion is worth, it's a little confusing when trying to determine if one's post will be considered appropriate by moderators that have widely disparate opinions on acceptable language and behavior.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Whats interesting about this whole subject is that people complain when they have no other recourse to winning an argument on the forums or when they pull the old bait and switch such as using a family member to insult somebody and then getting up in arms when the person they insult also uses the same family member.......

Also in the context of things the word "ass" could be perfectly legitimate or it could be totally wrong!

What people want is a one size fits all rule and that just cannot happen or will not happen.

Just because somebody gets there pantys all in a bunch because they believe they were insulted, doesn`t mean for a fact they were insulted.

Too many children who think they are entitled...

Quite a bit of the time it is sort of like -- I`m telling mommy on you....you insulted me, when in fact the person complaining is the idiot that started the pissing contest!

I totally agree with what Red Dawn has to say on the subject!!

 

[SickBeast]

The hypocricy in this thread is incredible. Now moshquerade is complaining about personal attacks while running around calling people who disagree with 'her' "sack riders". :Q

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Whats interesting about this whole subject is that people complain when they have no other recourse to winning an argument on the forums or when they pullk the old bait and switch such as using a family member to insult somebody and then getting up in arms when the person they insult also uses the same family member.......

Sorry JEDI, the only two people still hung up on that are you and Red. Seriously, get over it. I sure have. That's not what any of this is about. If you didn't get the memo, it's several posts up.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I totally agree with what Red Dawn has to say on the subject!!

Yes, and we're all shocked .

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The hypocricy in this thread is incredible. Now moshquerade is complaining about personal attacks while running around calling people who disagree with 'her' "sack riders". :Q

What I actually stated was that there are two opposing types of posters who come out in every thread like this and say the same things all the time, and nothing changes.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Whats interesting about this whole subject is that people complain when they have no other recourse to winning an argument on the forums or when they pullk the old bait and switch such as using a family member to insult somebody and then getting up in arms when the person they insult also uses the same family member.......

Sorry JEDI, the only two people still hung up on that are you and Red. Seriously, get over it. I sure have. That's not what any of this is about. If you didn't get the memo, it's several posts up.

You're right it's history but it was so ridiculous that you'd do that and complain vehemently when we didn't ban that other member that it's makes us suspicious of your motive in this thread

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I totally agree with what Red Dawn has to say on the subject!!

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Yes, and we're all shocked .

And we're all shocked that you don't:shocked::roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The hypocricy in this thread is incredible. Now moshquerade is complaining about personal attacks while running around calling people who disagree with 'her' "sack riders". :Q

What I actually stated was that there are two opposing types of posters who come out in every thread like this and say the same things all the time, and nothing changes.

You are correct though, there are always two camps with differing opinions, those like you who always complain and those who don't (those you labeled "Sack Riders")

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The hypocricy in this thread is incredible. Now moshquerade is complaining about personal attacks while running around calling people who disagree with 'her' "sack riders". :Q

What I actually stated was that there are two opposing types of posters who come out in every thread like this and say the same things all the time, and nothing changes.

You are correct though, there are always two camps with differing opinions, those like you who always complain and those who don't (those you labeled "Sack Riders")

I always complain? Yeh, right. If you wouldn't have stated a fallacy about me in this thread I NEVER would have brought the incident up. Get that straight.

The sack riders do complain. They complain that anyone who complains doesn't have a valid complaint.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Also in the context of things the word "ass" could be perfectly legitimate or it could be totally wrong!

That's part of my point. If Red Irish should be warned/banned for calling someone an ass when they state a rather dehumanizing opinion in P&N, but nothing happens to oldsmoboat for calling someone an uneducated dumbfuck in a PFI thread completely unrelated to wherever he may have formed this opinion, then that tells me that the people involved matter more than the context.

Obviously, the rules are being applied differently for some reason, and the reason is not clear to me as a member who is not privy to mod discussion. I'm really in no position to ask for clarification, but it speaks to the overall questions people have raised in this thread about differing mod standards.

To be clear, I agree with you and Red Dawn both about people being thin-skinned and whining when people call them names. I'm not calling for oldsmoboat's head -- I don't care much either way. It's the inconsistency that confuses. I don't want to get banned for calling someone a poopy-face if harsher language is allowed to slide (and is not just overlooked) for unknown reasons.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Sorry JEDI, the only two people still hung up on that are you and Red. Seriously, get over it. I sure have. That's not what any of this is about. If you didn't get the memo, it's several posts up.

You're right it's history but it was so ridiculous that you'd do that and complain vehemently when we didn't ban that other member that it's makes us suspicious of your motive in this thread

LOL so you're criticizing me for what you think I'd do a week after it happened? Figures . There are some valid points being made here, and it's pretty clear that what's evolving amounts to more than a couple disgruntled forum members. I think you know this, or you would have felt at liberty to lock the thread without worrying about appearances.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda


Also in the context of things the word "ass" could be perfectly legitimate or it could be totally wrong!

It was legitimate

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
The sack riders do complain. They complain that anyone who complains doesn't have a valid complaint.

:laugh:

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The hypocricy in this thread is incredible. Now moshquerade is complaining about personal attacks while running around calling people who disagree with 'her' "sack riders". :Q

What I actually stated was that there are two opposing types of posters who come out in every thread like this and say the same things all the time, and nothing changes.

You are correct though, there are always two camps with differing opinions, those like you who always complain and those who don't (those you labeled "Sack Riders")

I always complain? Yeh, right. If you wouldn't have stated a fallacy about me in this thread I NEVER would have brought the incident up. Get that straight.

The sack riders do complain. They complain that anyone who complains doesn't have a valid complaint.

Isn't calling a whole group of people "sack riders" really a personal attack on a large scale? I don't see what's confusing or how you could not see your own hypocricy, moshquerade.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The hypocricy in this thread is incredible. Now moshquerade is complaining about personal attacks while running around calling people who disagree with 'her' "sack riders". :Q

What I actually stated was that there are two opposing types of posters who come out in every thread like this and say the same things all the time, and nothing changes.

You are correct though, there are always two camps with differing opinions, those like you who always complain and those who don't (those you labeled "Sack Riders")

I always complain? Yeh, right. If you wouldn't have stated a fallacy about me in this thread I NEVER would have brought the incident up. Get that straight.

The sack riders do complain. They complain that anyone who complains doesn't have a valid complaint.

Isn't calling a whole group of people "sack riders" really a personal attack on a large scale? I don't see what's confusing or how you could not see your own hypocricy, moshquerade.

You really don't know the whole story, or the history behind why I have come forward with this after being prompted.

If you want to talk more about this I would be glad to take it to PM.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

If you want to talk more about this I would be glad to take it to PM.

Go for it dude, it might be worth your while

 

[KK]

sounds like y'all are nuckin futs.

 

[KK]

opps, dp.

 

[Nik]

Red, I was referring to several incidents, not one in particular, so I'm not sure which one you're referring to. One that sticks out in my mind is the whole dog/pictures incident that had several in an uproar about his unchecked assholery.

Hell, I got a month's ban for a mod callout when I simply quoted another complaining member and said that certain mods can and will get away with anything and everything on these boards and it's fruitless to try fighting it. I got banned for that. I wasn't even quoting or talking to or even naming any mod in particular and that specific mod got his panties in a bunch and flipped out about it. :roll:

Something needs to be done. One single person posting in PFI about it isn't going to carry much weight. If several people come forward and say "hey look something needs to be done about this" then maybe something will get done. Yes, I know the idea of anything done about him is a fucking joke, but I'm still not willing to give up and just bend over. I will continue to add my two cents when I think it'll help. Not only do I not post in every thread in this forum, but the rare times I do post in PFI, it's not always adding my non-constructive BS. This isn't OT, I don't post in here just to post.

This thread is a great example. You have people coming out of the woodwork with legitimate gripes about certain mods. These types of threads are posted repeatedly and each time they're posted there are more people with more examples and it's usually about the same mod. When is enough going to be enough? Derek won't do anything and neither will any of the other mods for whatever lame ass reason. I guess you're just going to have to either delete the PFI forum or ignore or ban members or something because the problem isn't us and the problem isn't being resolved.

 

[SickBeast]

I have seen a mod reprimanded before. I don't know the details, but something did happen.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nik
Red, I was referring to several incidents, not one in particular, so I'm not sure which one you're referring to. One that sticks out in my mind is the whole dog/pictures incident that had several in an uproar about his unchecked assholery.

Hell, I got a month's ban for a mod callout when I simply quoted another complaining member and said that certain mods can and will get away with anything and everything on these boards and it's fruitless to try fighting it. I got banned for that. I wasn't even quoting or talking to or even naming any mod in particular and that specific mod got his panties in a bunch and flipped out about it. :roll:

Something needs to be done. One single person posting in PFI about it isn't going to carry much weight. If several people come forward and say "hey look something needs to be done about this" then maybe something will get done. Yes, I know the idea of anything done about him is a fucking joke, but I'm still not willing to give up and just bend over. I will continue to add my two cents when I think it'll help. Not only do I not post in every thread in this forum, but the rare times I do post in PFI, it's not always adding my non-constructive BS. This isn't OT, I don't post in here just to post.

This thread is a great example. You have people coming out of the woodwork with legitimate gripes about certain mods. These types of threads are posted repeatedly and each time they're posted there are more people with more examples and it's usually about the same mod. When is enough going to be enough? Derek won't do anything and neither will any of the other mods for whatever lame ass reason. I guess you're just going to have to either delete the PFI forum or ignore or ban members or something because the problem isn't us and the problem isn't being resolved.

At least you are a constant in all of these threads if not in all of PFI threads. It seems like this forum is your favorite and your complaining is a given. That might not be accurate, it just seems like it to me but then you've always complained:heart:.

BTW all these people coming out of the woodwork? Seems to me to be a lot of the same characters. Does that mean their complaints aren't legit? Well not all of them and the ones that are when it's about the Moderation or a certain Moderator does get get Derek's attention and he does discuss it with us

BTW we are not going to delete PFI, ban members who are following the rules of PFI and if we or Derek finds the complaints legit discuss and act upon it. One thing Moderators can't do is sanction another Moderator, at least another Senior Moderator and we sure aren't going to air our dirty laundry in public by throwing each under under the bus if we have disagreements. Maybe that's why you think nothing ever gets done about it because you aren't privy to those discussions. People have been reinstated from bans and Mods have been dressed down when they have acted inappropriately by Derek. You are just never going to witness the latter.

 

[Nik]

PFI my fav? Ha. I hardly post in here. The vast majority of my posts go into OT. I'm not sure why you'd draw that conclusion, but it's not the first time you've been off your rocker, old man

That's fine about not making mod reprimands public, I understand and agree with that.

What I need to witness is change. Certain mods continue to abuse their status whether they're reprimanded behind the scenes or not. That's the problem. It's pretty easy to say that nothing's being done because nothing's changing. Certain mods are still obscenely rude to members and retaliate a reply with a ban to keep the member quiet, blah blah blah. Derek or whoever can "dress down" until they're blue in the face, but if there's no change then "nothing is being done" is really the truth.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: Nik
PFI my fav? Ha. I hardly post in here. The vast majority of my posts go into OT. I'm not sure why you'd draw that conclusion, but it's not the first time you've been off your rocker, old man

That's fine about not making mod reprimands public, I understand and agree with that.

What I need to witness is change. Certain mods continue to abuse their status whether they're reprimanded behind the scenes or not. That's the problem. It's pretty easy to say that nothing's being done because nothing's changing. Certain mods are still obscenely rude to members and retaliate a reply with a ban to keep the member quiet, blah blah blah. Derek or whoever can "dress down" until they're blue in the face, but if there's no change then "nothing is being done" is really the truth.

What if the current status is how the owner of the site likes it?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nik
PFI my fav? Ha. I hardly post in here. The vast majority of my posts go into OT. I'm not sure why you'd draw that conclusion, but it's not the first time you've been off your rocker, old man

That's fine about not making mod reprimands public, I understand and agree with that.

What I need to witness is change. Certain mods continue to abuse their status whether they're reprimanded behind the scenes or not. That's the problem. It's pretty easy to say that nothing's being done because nothing's changing. Certain mods are still obscenely rude to members and retaliate a reply with a ban to keep the member quiet, blah blah blah. Derek or whoever can "dress down" until they're blue in the face, but if there's no change then "nothing is being done" is really the truth.

Well I'm not as rude as I use to be, think I did that on my own volition? Hell if it was still up t me I'd be personally attacking you guys with the same vengeance I use to back when I was anonymous, especially you NIK as you squealed so much I thought you were doing a rendition of Deliverance..