Inappropriate Behavior

[MercenaryYoureFired]

Sup ya'll


These forums for a while now have been extremely inconsistent with moderation, and I think the community at large are very aware of the causes of all these inconsitencies so I won't get into making a list of them; but I just wanted to let you guys know that we the community do know why these disparities exist and it's safe to say that's why the number of topics about this issue has been brought up a large number of times in recent months. Here are a couple of examples:

BarrySotero recently posted a topic about being harassed by whomever, it's a legitimate concern, and if I were in his situation I would have posted something similar in the PFI forum like he did. However the response he got from a member was inappropriate:

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Just because you are an uneducated dumbfuck doesn't mean everyone else is too.

Now the OP did absolutely nothing to said member posting about him and did not solicit an answer from him in any way, and as per moderation:

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
That is a personal attack and the target had no interaction with your previously.

But alas, absolutely nothing happens to the member calling someone an "uneducated dumbfuck" in a forum where personal issues are supposed to be resolved but somehow a member is banned for calling someone an ass in the forums where I've seen members call for the death of others, among many other terrible things.

The disparity here is undeniable, and it's absolute certain that a mod or mods saw the inappropriate post so it's not like the "well we can't see every post" excuse can come into play here. At the least it's safe to say the member's post was "Over the line, especially in PFI".

Ultimately I would just like to see consistent behavior when issuing punishments for the members here, I do enjoy reading these forums most of the time and appreciate alot of the people in charge here; though I've seen so much inconsistency I thought it was time to say something about it, ya know?

Thanks, care, bye,







Red said it all in the last post.


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

 

[Corn]

You are wasting your breath.

 

[alchemize]

You didn't read the unwritten rules, did you.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Corn
You are wasting your breath.

Originally posted by: alchemize
You didn't read the unwritten rules, did you.

yeap.

 

[olds]

:yawn;

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
:yawn;

That's inappropriate.

 

[hclarkjr]

239 posts and been member for almost 3 years

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: hclarkjr
239 posts and been member for almost 3 years

Initially I thought it was M4H

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: hclarkjr
239 posts and been member for almost 3 years

Initially I thought it was M4H

No, he joined to troll M4H.

 

[canadageek]

well, there are a lot of shitty threads and shitty posters here, IMO. Also, anyone who gets their panties in a twist over a personal attack really needs to stop taking the internet seriously and take a break or something. seriously.

maybe I've been spoiled by the quality of some other forums I frequent, but this forum has waaay to many threads that are a single link to a stupid youtube vid/photo/blog/etc.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
These forums for a while now have been extremely inconsistent with moderation,

The only way you'll ever made it 100% consistent is by only having 1 moderator for the entire forums.

Are you volunteering?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Corn
You are wasting your breath.

Originally posted by: alchemize
You didn't read the unwritten rules, did you.

yeap.

'tis a shame, but 'tis true.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Corn
You are wasting your breath.

Originally posted by: alchemize
You didn't read the unwritten rules, did you.

yeap.

'tis a shame, but 'tis true.

There's more to the story than what you see. Nuff said.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Corn
You are wasting your breath.

Originally posted by: alchemize
You didn't read the unwritten rules, did you.

yeap.

'tis a shame, but 'tis true.

Well if it's true you benefited from it when you used your own daughter to personally attack another and nothing came of it until you complained about the member you personally attacked responded in kind and you complained about it

 

[sandorski]

Anyone who has read BarrySoteros posts knows that Olds was 100% correct. He's a Whiner too apparently.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Anyone who has read BarrySoteros posts knows that Olds was 100% correct. He's a Whiner too apparently.

I was being over the top to make a point, as I often do.
I am not sure why the whiners stick around if it's so bad.
It sucks so much that you and I haven't been here that long.
:beer:

 

[MercenaryYoureFired]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
These forums for a while now have been extremely inconsistent with moderation,

The only way you'll ever made it 100% consistent is by only having 1 moderator for the entire forums.

Are you volunteering?

Right, it's not about being 100% consistent though, it's about having realistic expectations for what crosses the line and what is within reason, if this were close to where it should be you simply would not see the amount of complaining there is. I'm fine with it being ok with someone calling another an "uneducated dumbfuck" but only if it's ok for everyone, and not a seemingly select few.

Here's a good example:

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Jesus Christ, religious people are a bunch of whiny little pussies. Grow the hell up magomago. If you're offended by that you must not get out much. He didn't call for anyone to be hurt or killed, he merely stated that the world would be better off without yet another book of myths and fantasies.

The appropriate and prompt response from a mod:

Originally posted by: Anandtech Moderator
Learn how to communicate appropriately. This comment is certainly not within the standards of acceptable posts for this forum. I question whether it is acceptable for P&N as well, but thankfully I am not one of the moderators who set the standards in that forum.

Do not use this kind of language or attacking manner in the PFI again.

Rio Rebel
Senior Moderator

It's obvious GA's statement was inappropriate, just like Old's post was inappropriate, but again, we see a correct response with one of them and no response to the other; leaving the latter poster to continue his posting style as he pleases. It's clear that most (a lot, or most likely all) mods have seen both posts, hence the big disparity.

Originally posted by: hclarkjr
239 posts and been member for almost 3 years

I'm sorry, but are you confused about something? Should I expect you to quote me again and say "240 posts and been member for almost 3 years "? If there's something I can clear up for you, let me know.

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
No, he joined to troll M4H.

Nah.

Originally posted by: canadageek
well, there are a lot of shitty threads and shitty posters here, IMO. Also, anyone who gets their panties in a twist over a personal attack really needs to stop taking the internet seriously and take a break or something. seriously.

maybe I've been spoiled by the quality of some other forums I frequent, but this forum has waaay to many threads that are a single link to a stupid youtube vid/photo/blog/etc.

Yeah there are a lot of bad posters, etc, here, but "seriously", do you not actually look at posts on *any* forums or something? People get their panties in a twist for much less than personal attacks on pretty much every forum out there, and most threads you'll see at least one example of this (especially in P&N).

The purpose of the post isn't to try to get any single person punished, either. It's more about the integrity and reputation of the forums and the people who moderate it that's more important here. When you are always seeing these small "slides" and then realize there's a possible personal connection that let these slides go through, the community starts to think of the admins as more corrupted than anything else, which really breaks the appeal of the forums in general.

EDIT: Cleaned up quotes.

 

[Nik]

Don't forget the mods that wash the forums in wanton personal attacks and repeatedly troll certain members like Mosh and others without being provoked while nothing is done about the way-out-of-line mod(s). Derek Wilson is the only one who can do anything about it and he doesn't give two fucking shits about it. You are, indeed, wasting your breath. Even the mods admit nothing will ever get done. Ohh, but don't bother trying to reply, you'll get banned for calling out a mod!

This kind of crap contributes far more to the delinquency of these forums than even P&N as a whole.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Anyone who has read BarrySoteros posts knows that Olds was 100% correct. He's a Whiner too apparently.

That's not the point. Sure, he was 100% correct in his statement. However, a personal attack is still a personal attack, regardless if the reasoning behind it is solid.

So ultimately, why do some get no reprimand ever for personal attacks yet others get punished?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: sandorski
Anyone who has read BarrySoteros posts knows that Olds was 100% correct. He's a Whiner too apparently.

That's not the point. Sure, he was 100% correct in his statement. However, a personal attack is still a personal attack, regardless if the reasoning behind it is solid.

So ultimately, why do some get no reprimand ever for personal attacks yet others get punished?

Those who go too far on either side get dealt with. One side just happens to go too far more than the other.

 

[SickBeast]

There are consistent rules, it's called the TOS. If you are unhappy about something, you'll probably get a better response from the mods if you can point out how the offending poster violated the TOS.

IMO alot of the inconsistency stems from the fact that they allow people to swear on here now. I found that there were far fewer problems when they had the swear filter turned on.

 

[SickBeast]

sorry double post

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: sandorski
Anyone who has read BarrySoteros posts knows that Olds was 100% correct. He's a Whiner too apparently.

That's not the point. Sure, he was 100% correct in his statement. However, a personal attack is still a personal attack, regardless if the reasoning behind it is solid.

So ultimately, why do some get no reprimand ever for personal attacks yet others get punished?

Those who go too far on either side get dealt with. One side just happens to go too far more than the other.

Bullshit. There are several who take advantage of their status and do not get reprimanded.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Nik
Bullshit. There are several who take advantage of their status and do not get reprimanded.

That's true and I used to have a problem with it. I realized though that:

1) It's Anand's forum and he'll do as he wished with it. Obviously he's happy with the way things are (or he doesn't care and Derek is happy)
2) You can't fight the system.
3) There's still enough redeeming quality present in the forums to make them worth visiting. I just try to ignore/avoid the people who I shouldn't mess with.

 

[SickBeast]

I just love it how people complain about mods abusing their powers, then fail to point out who they are or what they said. I don't think that accusations like that are going to get you very far. In fact, it may be entirely futile to even complain about certain people here. At the end of the day, the only power you hold over them is to post elsewhere and cost AT the advertising revenue that your hits gave them.