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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9



All that waste and we get VERY LITTLE for it with still 50 million completely uninsured!




Are you sure it's not 500 million?


I'm happy with my coverage.

The world doesn't revolve around you, and if you get denied for care in the future, you will change your selfish tune.

I know, I shouldn't feed the trolls.

Go back to playing online games and spamming over the microphone for attention.

"Nazi occupation is ok because I was not taken...durrr..."
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9



All that waste and we get VERY LITTLE for it with still 50 million completely uninsured!




Are you sure it's not 500 million?


I'm happy with my coverage.

The world doesn't revolve around you, and if you get denied for care in the future, you will change your selfish tune.


I have been denied and I've had to pay out of pocket, I'm not of a mindset that this country owes me anything.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

If that's the case, then why did you compare the costs in the US to the costs in Britain? You directly contrast the costs in the US and then UK, but then go on to state the Norway and Finland have similar survival rates as the US "while spending far less", but fail to produce any numbers or statistics to back up any of your claims. In fact, you specifically avoided providing numbers on survival rates and costs for Norway and Finland, but made the adamant claim that:

"You can look at Norway, Finland, and other similar countries and find that they have comparable cancer survival rates to the US while spending FAR less."

Sounds like you're talking out of your posterior again, especially considering brandonbull provided facts to back up his claims, while you provide...more empty rhetoric.

You barely merit a response, but here you go: Link 1 Cancer outcomes.
Average cancer survival rate for the US: 64.6%
Average cancer survival rate for Finland: 58.5%
Average cancer survival rate for Sweden: 61%.

Link 2: Per capita health spending.

Per capita spending on health care for the US: $4271
Per capita spending on health care for Finland: $1704
Per capita spending on health care for Sweden: $2145.

When you put these numbers together we find that we spend 250% of what Finland does, and we get a 6% increase in survival rates. We spend 200% of what Sweden does and we get a 3.5% increase in survival rates.

This post was more than you deserve.

I have a feeling that that 6% think it's well worth it.

:thumbsup:

And if you want to base a national health policy on what 6% of cancer patients think, you're a fool.
Interesting response from someone who may actually fall within said 6% group.
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9



All that waste and we get VERY LITTLE for it with still 50 million completely uninsured!




Are you sure it's not 500 million?


I'm happy with my coverage.

The world doesn't revolve around you, and if you get denied for care in the future, you will change your selfish tune.


I have been denied and I've had to pay out of pocket, I'm not of a mindset that this country owes me anything.

That is because you are a moron. You want to be a part of a society based on profit on denying coverage rather than a system where there is no profit and people actually help one another.

Try paying for life saving surgery or cancer treatment out of pocket.
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9



All that waste and we get VERY LITTLE for it with still 50 million completely uninsured!




Are you sure it's not 500 million?


I'm happy with my coverage.

The world doesn't revolve around you, and if you get denied for care in the future, you will change your selfish tune.


I have been denied and I've had to pay out of pocket, I'm not of a mindset that this country owes me anything.

That is because you are a moron. You want to be a part of a society based on profit on denying coverage rather than a system where there is no profit and people actually help one another.
Try paying for life saving surgery or cancer treatment out of pocket.

So I take it that you work for free and just help people?

 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

You did, when we went to the ER, so suck it asshole.

You also have no problem that your employer subsidizes your healthcare.
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9



All that waste and we get VERY LITTLE for it with still 50 million completely uninsured!




Are you sure it's not 500 million?


I'm happy with my coverage.

The world doesn't revolve around you, and if you get denied for care in the future, you will change your selfish tune.


I have been denied and I've had to pay out of pocket, I'm not of a mindset that this country owes me anything.

That is because you are a moron. You want to be a part of a society based on profit on denying coverage rather than a system where there is no profit and people actually help one another.
Try paying for life saving surgery or cancer treatment out of pocket.

So I take it that you work for free and just help people?

No doctors make money in UHC countries. This is a known fact.
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

Can't say I'd feel bad for you if you lost your job and benefits right now. It would cure your case of "Smug Republican" really quick!
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9



All that waste and we get VERY LITTLE for it with still 50 million completely uninsured!




Are you sure it's not 500 million?


I'm happy with my coverage.

The world doesn't revolve around you, and if you get denied for care in the future, you will change your selfish tune.


I have been denied and I've had to pay out of pocket, I'm not of a mindset that this country owes me anything.

That is because you are a moron. You want to be a part of a society based on profit on denying coverage rather than a system where there is no profit and people actually help one another.

Try paying for life saving surgery or cancer treatment out of pocket.

Uh, just because you personally might not have to pay for universal health care (when in reality you will with higher taxes), the fact of the matter is that someone, somewhere will have to pay for your health care. High quality, top-of-the-line health care does not grow on trees.

What you're going through might not be fair, but how is it fair to force a person against their will to subsidize other people's health care costs with their hard earned money, while the other person gets a free ride?
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Maybe you just don't like the position of the press secretary, period. It usually pisses me off too.
Probably that plus he seems a smirky ass. The press secretary just seems to do very little except continually flounder when asked questions over and over and stonewall the media from talking to the person they really want to (pres).

I'm pretty sure you could actually write his job description as 'the person who keeps the media from talking to the person they really want to, the President'.

Can you think of a press secretary that hasn't come off as a douche? I can't. I mean they sit in a room full of reporters who basically attempt to trip them up or have them answer awkward questions each and every day. His job is to avoid them all without being too obvious about it while putting forth the President's viewpoint on events.

/thread
 
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

Can't say I'd feel bad for you if you lost your job and benefits right now. It would cure your case of "Smug Republican" really quick!
Hey when he retires and can't afford his Health Ins he'll understand where you are coming from
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

If that's the case, then why did you compare the costs in the US to the costs in Britain? You directly contrast the costs in the US and then UK, but then go on to state the Norway and Finland have similar survival rates as the US "while spending far less", but fail to produce any numbers or statistics to back up any of your claims. In fact, you specifically avoided providing numbers on survival rates and costs for Norway and Finland, but made the adamant claim that:

"You can look at Norway, Finland, and other similar countries and find that they have comparable cancer survival rates to the US while spending FAR less."

Sounds like you're talking out of your posterior again, especially considering brandonbull provided facts to back up his claims, while you provide...more empty rhetoric.

You barely merit a response, but here you go: Link 1 Cancer outcomes.
Average cancer survival rate for the US: 64.6%
Average cancer survival rate for Finland: 58.5%
Average cancer survival rate for Sweden: 61%.

Link 2: Per capita health spending.

Per capita spending on health care for the US: $4271
Per capita spending on health care for Finland: $1704
Per capita spending on health care for Sweden: $2145.

When you put these numbers together we find that we spend 250% of what Finland does, and we get a 6% increase in survival rates. We spend 200% of what Sweden does and we get a 3.5% increase in survival rates.

This post was more than you deserve.

You'll need to break down the per capita spending on health care into its cancer care-related component to get an adequate comparison.

You would also need to go more in-depth to the types of cancers suffering within the populations.

I feel that the biggest threat to US healthcare reform is the absolute failure of the Canadian system. It is just too easy for people against reform to utilize the Canadian atrocity to instill fear into people.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

Can't say I'd feel bad for you if you lost your job and benefits right now. It would cure your case of "Smug Republican" really quick!
Hey when he retires and can't afford his Health Ins he'll understand where you are coming from

Exactly. It isn't even like this issue is a small minority.

What ivory tower do you have to live in to not see family & friends suffer due to our system?
 
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9



All that waste and we get VERY LITTLE for it with still 50 million completely uninsured!




Are you sure it's not 500 million?


I'm happy with my coverage.

The world doesn't revolve around you, and if you get denied for care in the future, you will change your selfish tune.


I have been denied and I've had to pay out of pocket, I'm not of a mindset that this country owes me anything.

That is because you are a moron. You want to be a part of a society based on profit on denying coverage rather than a system where there is no profit and people actually help one another.

Try paying for life saving surgery or cancer treatment out of pocket.

Uh, just because you personally might not have to pay for universal health care (when in reality you will with higher taxes), the fact of the matter is that someone, somewhere will have to pay for your health care. High quality, top-of-the-line health care does not grow on trees.

What you're going through might not be fair, but how is it fair to force a person against their will to subsidize other people's health care costs with their hard earned money, while the other person gets a free ride?

You DO subsidize it you fool. ER costs are all subsidized by you.

FOR PROFIT insurance companies deny you EVERYTHING. If you ever had a urinary tract infection, a back problem, allergies, they don't cover anything. My wife had to take ONE PILL for ONE MONTH to get pregnant, and the "diagnosis" they used caused her to be denied health insurance for every insurer in the state, and she had to take a lesser, catastrophic only plan because of it.

Guess what? When she goes back to teaching, YOU will subsidize it!!!!

Understand that!?!?>!?!?!?! I WILL REPEAT IT AGAIN!

YOU WILL SUBSIDIZE IT!

We SUBSIDIZE for DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF EVERY OTHER UHC COUNTRY AND GET ALMOST NOTHING IN RETURN AND 50 MILLION WITH NO COVERAGE!!!!!!

What is better? Everyone is covered for everything, half the cost, preventative treatments regularly or a bloated system where everyone is denied if you sneeze and the profit companies post profit after profit at your expense while your fellow countrymen suffer?

Only in the US.
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

You did, when we went to the ER, so suck it asshole.

You also have no problem that your employer subsidizes your healthcare.

I don't roll like that butt I think JSt0rm01 can help you out.

BTW have you seen any doctors for your problem?




 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

You did, when we went to the ER, so suck it asshole.

You also have no problem that your employer subsidizes your healthcare.

I don't roll like that butt I think JSt0rm01 can help you out.

BTW have you seen any doctors for your problem?

Why do you leach off your employer for healthcare? Aren't you man enough to get private insurance without everyone subsidizing you!?

Btw

"Even if you?re healthy and have private health insurance, someone is already paying for your health care costs anyways. The federal government subsidizes private health insurance by exempting health care costs as a taxable expenditure by employers and by considering health care benefits to employees tax-free. This is a net loss of at least $100 billion in taxpayer dollars to the federal government, a loss that is obviously financed by all Americans."
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

If that's the case, then why did you compare the costs in the US to the costs in Britain? You directly contrast the costs in the US and then UK, but then go on to state the Norway and Finland have similar survival rates as the US "while spending far less", but fail to produce any numbers or statistics to back up any of your claims. In fact, you specifically avoided providing numbers on survival rates and costs for Norway and Finland, but made the adamant claim that:

"You can look at Norway, Finland, and other similar countries and find that they have comparable cancer survival rates to the US while spending FAR less."

Sounds like you're talking out of your posterior again, especially considering brandonbull provided facts to back up his claims, while you provide...more empty rhetoric.

You barely merit a response, but here you go: Link 1 Cancer outcomes.
Average cancer survival rate for the US: 64.6%
Average cancer survival rate for Finland: 58.5%
Average cancer survival rate for Sweden: 61%.

Link 2: Per capita health spending.

Per capita spending on health care for the US: $4271
Per capita spending on health care for Finland: $1704
Per capita spending on health care for Sweden: $2145.

When you put these numbers together we find that we spend 250% of what Finland does, and we get a 6% increase in survival rates. We spend 200% of what Sweden does and we get a 3.5% increase in survival rates.

This post was more than you deserve.

You'll need to break down the per capita spending on health care into its cancer care-related component to get an adequate comparison.

You would also need to go more in-depth to the types of cancers suffering within the populations.

I feel that the biggest threat to US healthcare reform is the absolute failure of the Canadian system. It is just too easy for people against reform to utilize the Canadian atrocity to instill fear into people.

I'm sure we could get much higher resolution on those numbers, yes.

That being said I haven't seen any reason to believe that these countries spend a significantly different proportion of their health care dollars on cancer, and I also am not aware of any reason to believe that the types and proportions of cancers that afflict the populations are so different as to account for a significant deviation in this spending. If you're aware of any such numbers I'm interested to hear them, but this is an internet message board and I'm not really willing to go that in depth, specifically for that idiot.
 
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

Can't say I'd feel bad for you if you lost your job and benefits right now. It would cure your case of "Smug Republican" really quick!

That's the difference between us I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone.

 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: inspire
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
http://www.nationmaster.com/gr...alth-death-from-cancer
# 9 United States: 321.9 deaths per 100,000 people
# 16 United Kingdom: 253.5 deaths per 100,000 people


Strangely enough you don't hear about people from the US going to the UK for cancer treatment.

Seriously, the stupidity of people is mind numbing. The only ones that come to the US for treatment are the SUPER MOTHER F'ING RICH! The poor people who die here because of denied treatment CANNOT GO TO BRITAIN!

GET A F'ING BRAIN!

oh wait wait wait - I know this one - Because there's no rich people in the US to go to Britain, right?!? Seriously, maybe you should take your own advice.

Umm, for the RICHEST, the US is the best, for the 99.99999% of the population not ultra rich, the british system is way better.

GET A F'ING BRAIN!

Seriously, are you people that simple?

Nice trick you pulled there - you filled the hole in your logic with hand-waving. gg, dude - maybe your hand can wave you a one-way flight to London and it's 'better-because-I-say-so' helathcare system.
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

Can't say I'd feel bad for you if you lost your job and benefits right now. It would cure your case of "Smug Republican" really quick!

That's the difference between us I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone.

Yes you do. By going against giving other people care and propping up an industry that makes money by denying those people, you are helping to kill them. To have no problem with the outrageous amount of uninsured americans because you personally are happy, is sick to the extreme.
 
Originally posted by: inspire
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: inspire
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: senseamp
http://www.nationmaster.com/gr...alth-death-from-cancer
# 9 United States: 321.9 deaths per 100,000 people
# 16 United Kingdom: 253.5 deaths per 100,000 people


Strangely enough you don't hear about people from the US going to the UK for cancer treatment.

Seriously, the stupidity of people is mind numbing. The only ones that come to the US for treatment are the SUPER MOTHER F'ING RICH! The poor people who die here because of denied treatment CANNOT GO TO BRITAIN!

GET A F'ING BRAIN!

oh wait wait wait - I know this one - Because there's no rich people in the US to go to Britain, right?!? Seriously, maybe you should take your own advice.

Umm, for the RICHEST, the US is the best, for the 99.99999% of the population not ultra rich, the british system is way better.

GET A F'ING BRAIN!

Seriously, are you people that simple?

Nice trick you pulled there - you filled the hole in your logic with hand-waving. gg, dude - maybe your hand can wave you a one-way flight to London and it's 'better-because-I-say-so' helathcare system.

Can't deny it, so you flounder. Your "argument" is the most braindead garbage I've ever seen.

.00001% fly here with their millions of dollars and use our doctors, so-

-the 50 million inunsured,
-bloated system based around profiting by denying coverage,
-sneezes are pre-existing conditions so we won't cover you
-insurance subsidizes 50 million using ERs

None of that matters! Dude, rich people come here! Now when I die while companies profit from denying me coverage, I will feel so good about our system!!!!
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

Can't say I'd feel bad for you if you lost your job and benefits right now. It would cure your case of "Smug Republican" really quick!

That's the difference between us I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone.

Nonsense. You're perfectly happy to let millions of people go without coverage and for people to be dropped from their existing plan for bogus reasons. That's far worse than hoping that a "I gots mine so screw you Republican" gets a dose of reality and humility.
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: shadow9d9

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.


I feel bad for you and your wife but I don't feel I should have to subsidize your health care.

You did, when we went to the ER, so suck it asshole.

You also have no problem that your employer subsidizes your healthcare.

I don't roll like that butt I think JSt0rm01 can help you out.

BTW have you seen any doctors for your problem?

Why do you leach off your employer for healthcare? Aren't you man enough to get private insurance without everyone subsidizing you!?

Btw

"Even if you?re healthy and have private health insurance, someone is already paying for your health care costs anyways. The federal government subsidizes private health insurance by exempting health care costs as a taxable expenditure by employers and by considering health care benefits to employees tax-free. This is a net loss of at least $100 billion in taxpayer dollars to the federal government, a loss that is obviously financed by all Americans."


Health care from an employer isn't leaching or subsidizing it's a form of compensation.
 
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If that's the case, then why did you compare the costs in the US to the costs in Britain? You directly contrast the costs in the US and then UK, but then go on to state the Norway and Finland have similar survival rates as the US "while spending far less", but fail to produce any numbers or statistics to back up any of your claims. In fact, you specifically avoided providing numbers on survival rates and costs for Norway and Finland, but made the adamant claim that:

"You can look at Norway, Finland, and other similar countries and find that they have comparable cancer survival rates to the US while spending FAR less."

Sounds like you're talking out of your posterior again, especially considering brandonbull provided facts to back up his claims, while you provide...more empty rhetoric.

You barely merit a response, but here you go: Link 1 Cancer outcomes.
Average cancer survival rate for the US: 64.6%
Average cancer survival rate for Finland: 58.5%
Average cancer survival rate for Sweden: 61%.

Link 2: Per capita health spending.

Per capita spending on health care for the US: $4271
Per capita spending on health care for Finland: $1704
Per capita spending on health care for Sweden: $2145.

When you put these numbers together we find that we spend 250% of what Finland does, and we get a 6% increase in survival rates. We spend 200% of what Sweden does and we get a 3.5% increase in survival rates.

This post was more than you deserve.

I have a feeling that that 6% think it's well worth it.

:thumbsup:

Was that the equivalent of a circle jerk motion?

Duh, if you have the money, you will get better results. The point he made that you are too dense to grasp is that there isn't bang for the buck there because our system is bloated as hell...

All that waste and we get VERY LITTLE for it with still 50 million completely uninsured!

Very little? By what metric? the size of the warm fuzzy you get when you talk about helping all the poor, uninsured people? You don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.

I spend 17% of my income on health insurance for the 3 in my family with only catastrophic insurance only for me and a ton of pre-existing conditions for my wife. That is $8,000 for shitty limited coverage with no prescription coverage and $7,000 for out of pocket expenses. We rarely get to see doctors and the ones we see absolutely suck. When my wife went to the ER for chest palpatations the bill was $1000, no coverage with our $8000 insurance. My wife runs, is 5'7 and 130 pounds and I am 6' and weigh 190. We are in our late 20s. So yeah, I feel for people with our shitty insurance system.

Plus, I own my own business. I guess we all have to get government jobs to be safe and covered in this country right?

Go fuck yourself asshole. You are your kind are full of shit, with your fear and smear propaganda.

And i have to go do this, why? Because you're an angry little kid who can't use non-swear words to experess your feelings? Did I smear you? Did I instill fear in you? No, I pointed out that you haven't backed up a word you've said since you decided to start posting. Take your personal drama and go bleed on somebody else. I'm sick of your 'woe is me, I deserve to get a free pass to act like an asshole' routine.
 
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