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In order for ACA to work, uninsured should get no treatment.

Hugo Drax

Hugo Drax

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Including emergency treatment. Media reports that the young will not buy insurance, I guess they would rather spend it on shopertainment and 120 dollar a month iphone bills.

Thats fine, but the law should be if you are uninsured, hospitals have the right to refuse all treatment including emergency treatment.

This would definitely cut the cost of healthcare and once a couple of people die because they chose to not buy insurance, you will see everyone budget for health insurance.
 
I think the fact that hospitals are required to provide treatment to all regardless of ability to pay is the primary reason why ACA is bullshit and not necessary.

Why change that? Everyone who needs medical care already has access.

Why pad the pockets of middlemen?
 
I guess charity doesn't exist in Liberalworld. Either government does it, or people die. Certainly no true Progressive should ever be expected to help someone out of their own pockets, that's what Obamacare is for.
 
Don't you guys want to unclog your ER's? It's Friday. Go down to your local ER and see what you think.

This is why single payer is kinda inevitable.
 
Hugo Drax said:
Including emergency treatment. Media reports that the young will not buy insurance, I guess they would rather spend it on shopertainment and 120 dollar a month iphone bills.

Thats fine, but the law should be if you are uninsured, hospitals have the right to refuse all treatment including emergency treatment.

This would definitely cut the cost of healthcare and once a couple of people die because they chose to not buy insurance, you will see everyone budget for health insurance.
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The media might be wrong, I've had insurance my entire life.
 
Are you kidding with this thread?

Someone who is poor gets free healthcare due to the ACA. Why should someone with money not be able to pay for healthcare when needed? Oh right, because then "the poor" doesn't get their "free" services, we wouldn't be living in rainbow-filled happy-land.
 
AViking said:
Don't you guys want to unclog your ER's? It's Friday. Go down to your local ER and see what you think.

This is why single payer is kinda inevitable.
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Boehnercare is on the way. We need a government telling your doctor what to do run by the same people who gave us the shutdown.
 
glenn1 said:
I guess charity doesn't exist in Liberalworld. Either government does it, or people die. Certainly no true Progressive should ever be expected to help someone out of their own pockets, that's what Obamacare is for.
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its called free market. no money, no service.

now no one has an excuse. pay insurance, get care or dont pay but dont expect care. Restaurants are not forced to provide you a meal just because you are hungry.

pretty simple.
 
cubby1223 said:
Are you kidding with this thread?

Someone who is poor gets free healthcare due to the ACA. Why should someone with money not be able to pay for healthcare when needed? Oh right, because then "the poor" doesn't get their "free" services, we wouldn't be living in rainbow-filled happy-land.
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I'm sure you have enough cash in the bank to forego health insurance and pay for extensive rounds of cancer treatments, or a major trauma that leaves you hospitalized for months, right? I guess the easy answer to all our problems is "be rich", or maybe do what Mitt Romney suggests and just borrow money from your rich parents. If only life were so easy.
 
Hugo Drax said:
its called free market. no money, no service.

now no one has an excuse. pay insurance, get care or dont pay but dont expect care. Restaurants are not forced to provide you a meal just because you are hungry.

pretty simple.
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While I see your point, we both know that cant happen in a moral society. It would be akin to cutting off the hands of thieves. Unfortunately financial penalty is the only incentive available until we get to single payer, which is only a matter of time. It would definitely silence all the tea party nutjobs who are suggesting foregoing insurance as a sort of protest though.
 
drebo said:
I think the fact that hospitals are required to provide treatment to all regardless of ability to pay is the primary reason why ACA is bullshit and not necessary.

Why change that? Everyone who needs medical care already has access.
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Might have something to do with the ER becoming the de facto check up location for millions of freeloaders who would rather others be responsible for their well being.
Turns out ERs aren't meant for that. Doesn't make financial or practical sense.
 
Hugo Drax said:
its called free market. no money, no service.

now no one has an excuse. pay insurance, get care or dont pay but dont expect care. Restaurants are not forced to provide you a meal just because you are hungry.

pretty simple.
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So were you for the ACA or against it?
 
I don't see how Obamacare will put put a huge dent in the ER problem. According to CBO we have about 55mm uninsured right now and will eventually go to 31mm in 2016 and essentially baseline at that point. Those 31mm will stll be using the ER. And that's optimistic in my opinion as the 31mm uninsured in 2016 are much much likely to be heavily weighted poor and have been using this healthcare approach their entire lives.

I really don't see any major benefits of Obamacare beyond giving the uninsured with pre-existing conditions an avenue to get non-ER healthcare. And I imagine that these folks are signing up in droves right now.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I don't see how Obamacare will put put a huge dent in the ER problem. According to CBO we have about 55mm uninsured right now and will eventually go to 31mm in 2016 and essentially baseline at that point. Those 31mm will stll be using the ER. And that's optimistic in my opinion as the 31mm uninsured in 2016 are much much likely to be heavily weighted poor and have been using this healthcare approach their entire lives.

I really don't see any major benefits of Obamacare beyond giving the uninsured with pre-existing conditions an avenue to get non-ER healthcare. And I imagine that these folks are signing up in droves right now.
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The waiting rooms are filled with people at ERs who could see someone elsewhere but because there's no disincentive plug things up. I see people bringing in ER prescriptions for common non emergency medications all the time, and I mean all the time, and yes they had options.
 
glenn1 said:
I guess charity doesn't exist in Liberalworld. Either government does it, or people die. Certainly no true Progressive should ever be expected to help someone out of their own pockets, that's what Obamacare is for.
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Exactly.

Notice how the true nature of progressives comes out after they've been on their knees begging their government masters for something and pretty much gotten it. First it's "Go along with this, we're sooooooo compasionate!"

Then when their groveled-for bullshit comes to pass they turn into the greedbag little Stalins that most of them actually are. "Pay up to master or DIE! F YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!!! F EVERYBODY THAT DOESNT WORSHIP MASTER!!!"

Then watch, this time next week they'll be on to the next scheme... "Go along with this, we're sooooooo compasionate!"
 
glenn1 said:
I guess charity doesn't exist in Liberalworld. Either government does it, or people die. Certainly no true Progressive should ever be expected to help someone out of their own pockets, that's what Obamacare is for.
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I suspect that as in all things including charity, progressives are not able to erect an alternate reality in which what they give not only confers on them sainthood but also provided more than sufficiently for need. Doubtless, this is why folk in progressively run countries are happier than folk in the US who live in terror of poverty and getting sick. It's interesting how a brain defect that is catching via propaganda can turn a whole nation into a cesspool of misery and suffering such that the mental state that causes it has to hid from it in horror in an alternate reality. But nothing is going to kick you our of heaven. Your bubble is made of Kevlar.
 
Zaap said:
Exactly.

Notice how the true nature of progressives comes out after they've been on their knees begging their government masters for something and pretty much gotten it. First it's "Go along with this, we're sooooooo compasionate!"

Then when their groveled-for bullshit comes to pass they turn into the greedbag little Stalins that most of them actually are. "Pay up to master or DIE! F YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!!! F EVERYBODY THAT DOESNT WORSHIP MASTER!!!"

Then watch, this time next week they'll be on to the next scheme... "Go along with this, we're sooooooo compasionate!"
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Baaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaa The sheep who bleat together stay together is the bubble safety of the flock. And you talk about worship and never notice you spout program and are enslaved. Sorry, I got this terrible urge to tweak your big red nose.
 
It's quite funny how when some conservative delusion is violated and Stalin is extracting money from their wallets for healthcare they start to act exactly as the progressive scum they deride who bitch and moan and cry about Hitler making them to seek employment to get welfare. But then, we can't ask for a lot of perspective from the brain damaged alternate reality dreamers, now can we.
 
Most of the emergency room traffic here is due to illegals. If emergency room sevice was denied to anyone without insurance it would cut off their primary(only?) means of health care. Although I am all for law breakers facing the consequences of their actions I don't want a large group of people running around spreading disease.
 
anybody that can afford tattoos / nose bolts / ear washers / iCrap / cell phones / drugs / expensive clothing that don't fit can afford to pay for their own medical. It's a simple matter of priorities.
 
Hugo Drax said:
Media reports that the young will not buy insurance, I guess they would rather spend it on shopertainment and 120 dollar a month iphone bills.
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No, many of us are covered under our parents. I'm 23, which means I have like another year before I have to get out on my own for insurance.
 
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