"In my 22 years of doing visits with children in detention, I've never heard of this level of inhumanity"

[JSt0rm]

Demonize the living shit out of them-

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._dealers_and_rapists_are_crossing_border.html

Both sides!

 

[Atreus21]

Detaining these people crossing the border is unnecessary.

Really. So should we try to enforce any border at all then?

Separating families is unnecessary.

Apparently so is keeping them together. Keep them together, you get due process concerns and lawsuits that lead to the Flores Settlement agreement. Separate them, and you have what we have now.

You don't start a humanitarian crisis and then argue that it's Democrats fault for not supporting your efforts to persist in furthering it but with greater resources.

Jesus Christ. Republicans didn't start a humanitarian crisis. 100,000 immigrants a month started a humanitarian crisis. The worst Trump did was start actually enforcing immigration laws.

The guys on the ground trying to deal with this are saying they need more funding, while people behind their laptops are saying they're just perpetuating a humanitarian crisis.

You can simply stop detaining these people and separating families and go through efforts to improve border enforcement that is humane and effective.

What would you propose?

As your link clearly shows, Democrat congresspeople are working with Republicans in that effort and making concessions to support a humane version of Trump's desire to amp up border security.

I never faulted congressional democrats, and applaud them for working with republicans to getting the funding that Border Patrol has been asking for. My issue was with democrats in this thread, and the idiocy in calling these places "concentration camps."

And yes many posters here have been unfair in their critique and lack either capacity or desire to engage Republican posters here as potentially reasonable or ethical people. That troubles me.

But what troubles me many fold more, especially as a father of young children, is how anyone can read stories like this and not be overwhelmed with a sickening feeling in their gut. This is wrong. Awful. Scary. If you can recognize that and desire better, where is your responsibility to overcome the faults of the Democrats and attempt to work together in alliance with a common desire to be basically decent human beings? I promise you that if you earnestly choose to denounce these separations and ask for assistance in finding solutions to remedy the humanitarian needs while also seeking greater border enforcement, you will get the complexity you seek.

I have four children under age 10. You think I delight seeing children separated from their parents and suffer and get sick and die? Don't be simple. My question is what the hell is to be done about it. I know what the guys directly trying to deal with this are begging for, and thankfully it looks like they'll get it. Furthermore I know that family separation at the border is as contentious as keeping families together. The site below details most of the complexity with either option, and it is no friend of the Trump administration.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/factsheet-family-separation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border/

 

[JSt0rm]

Really. So should we try to enforce any border at all then?



Apparently so is keeping them together. Keep them together, you get due process concerns and lawsuits that lead to the Flores Settlement agreement. Separate them, and you have what we have now.



Jesus Christ. Republicans didn't start a humanitarian crisis. 100,000 immigrants a month started a humanitarian crisis. The worst Trump did was start actually enforcing immigration laws.

The guys on the ground trying to deal with this are saying they need more funding, while people behind their laptops are saying they're just perpetuating a humanitarian crisis.



What would you propose?



I never faulted congressional democrats, and applaud them for working with republicans to getting the funding that Border Patrol has been asking for. My issue was with democrats in this thread, and the idiocy in calling these places "concentration camps."



I have four children under age 10. You think I delight seeing children separated from their parents and suffer and get sick and die? Don't be simple. My question is what the hell is to be done about it. I know what the guys directly trying to deal with this are begging for, and thankfully it looks like they'll get it. Furthermore I know that family separation at the border is as contentious as keeping families together. The site below details most of the complexity with either option, and it is no friend of the Trump administration.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/factsheet-family-separation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border/

good god you are filling 4 children's brains with your horrible thought?

I need a drink.

 

[sandorski]

Really. So should we try to enforce any border at all then?



Apparently so is keeping them together. Keep them together, you get due process concerns and lawsuits that lead to the Flores Settlement agreement. Separate them, and you have what we have now.



Jesus Christ. Republicans didn't start a humanitarian crisis. 100,000 immigrants a month started a humanitarian crisis. The worst Trump did was start actually enforcing immigration laws.

The guys on the ground trying to deal with this are saying they need more funding, while people behind their laptops are saying they're just perpetuating a humanitarian crisis.



What would you propose?



I never faulted congressional democrats, and applaud them for working with republicans to getting the funding that Border Patrol has been asking for. My issue was with democrats in this thread, and the idiocy in calling these places "concentration camps."



I have four children under age 10. You think I delight seeing children separated from their parents and suffer and get sick and die? Don't be simple. My question is what the hell is to be done about it. I know what the guys directly trying to deal with this are begging for, and thankfully it looks like they'll get it. Furthermore I know that family separation at the border is as contentious as keeping families together. The site below details most of the complexity with either option, and it is no friend of the Trump administration.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/factsheet-family-separation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border/

Historically the amount crossing the Border has been many times higher. There was no Humanitarian Crisis then.

 

[JSt0rm]

Historically the amount crossing the Border has been many times higher. There was no Humanitarian Crisis then.

I dont doubt they will figure out a final solution to the problem.

 

[Sgt. York]

I dont doubt they will figure out a final solution to the problem.

Damn, you guys crack me up.

 

[UberNeuman]

I have four children under age 10. You think I delight seeing children separated from their parents and suffer and get sick and die?

Does it allow you to punish those outside your values and belief system?

yeah, you enjoy it. It doesn't hurt you or your family and that suffering of others just delights you to no end. In the end, this whole facade of the BORDER CRISIS is just to feed the need of fundies/trump moron supporters to have someone to hate.

 

[K1052]

I have four children under age 10. You think I delight seeing children separated from their parents and suffer and get sick and die? Don't be simple. My question is what the hell is to be done about it. I know what the guys directly trying to deal with this are begging for, and thankfully it looks like they'll get it

The government argued in court that they don't have to provide basic care for minors in its custody. CBP was already a perpetually power tripping agency and has now been set loose with a mandate to be as cruel as possible to everyone that comes into contact with it as official policy. Fuck all these people and fuck the people that make excuses for them.

 

[Jaskalas]

The thing is, let's just say you label them as "illegals" and want/plan/will ship them back to their country. For argument's sake, let's just say we're all on the side of doing that. How can ANYONE defend the fact that this is how we treat them until we send them back to where they came? How can this be acceptable treatment in any shape way or form?

To be perfectly clear, it is not acceptable. It is not defensible. It may be understood in terms of how we got here. Due to the paltry system we have in place being overwhelmed.

“The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters​

 

[K1052]

To be perfectly clear, it is not acceptable. It is not defensible. It may be understood in terms of how we got here. Due to the paltry system we have in place being overwhelmed.

“The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters​

The administration stopped releasing children to families and started arresting the ones who showed up so here we are. To pretend that this situation isn't driven by changes in policy as opposed to larger numbers of asylum seekers is to ignore reality.

 

[Jaskalas]

Kids having to care for younger kids while locked up. Makes my heart break and my blood boil at the same time. Just shameful. 2020 hurry up.

BTW, say we win in 2020. What does the alternative look like to you, how do you imagine it?

I mean, we can triple border patrol funding and space for holding people. But I imagine you want them all released into the country, for an open border policy. You want anyone who shows up to be given an escort INTO the country. Do I have that correct?

 

[K1052]

BTW, say we win in 2020. What does the alternative look like to you, how do you imagine it?

I mean, we can triple border patrol funding and space for holding people. But I imagine you want them all released into the country, for an open border policy. You want anyone who shows up to be given an escort INTO the country. Do I have that correct?

JFC

 

[Atreus21]

Historically the amount crossing the Border has been many times higher. There was no Humanitarian Crisis then.

When? If so, are you suggesting we shouldn't enforce immigration laws?

 

[Atreus21]

Does it allow you to punish those outside your values and belief system?

yeah, you enjoy it. It doesn't hurt you or your family and that suffering of others just delights you to no end. In the end, this whole facade of the BORDER CRISIS is just to feed the need of fundies/trump moron supporters to have someone to hate.

This is a waste of my time but I'll do it anyway. Your post above clearly indicates a need to hate.

 

[glenn1]

Historically the amount crossing the Border has been many times higher. There was no Humanitarian Crisis then.

You just didn’t realize the crisis as such was happening then, or if you did realize you didn’t care. What to do with the influx of people crossing the border wasn’t a question that sprang from nowhere with Trump’s election, it’s decades old. Asylum numbers have also ramped way up, it’s no longer mostly just Mexican seasonal laborers crossing over.

 

[Lanyap]

Historically the amount crossing the Border has been many times higher. There was no Humanitarian Crisis then.

Historically the largest immigration problem has been Mexican males illegally crossing the border into the US to find work. They were picked up and sent back across the border. The detention centers were designed to handle this demographic. Quick processing and return. 5+ years ago the demographics changed, and has become more frequent recently, to migrant families and unaccompanied children from CA who were/are requesting asylum which made their arrival a lot more complex. It's not just the numbers. It's whole different ballgame.

 

[mikeymikec]

Fixing these problems at their source. Okay, all we have to do is fix everything wrong with their country of origin so they never consider leaving. Piece of cake.

No it's not a piece of cake (nothing that involves millions of people ever is), yet here you're employing sarcasm and absurdity rather than even vaguely attempting to address my point even though you were the one wanting people to admit that this is a genuinely complex issue.

 

[cytg111]

BTW, say we win in 2020. What does the alternative look like to you, how do you imagine it?

I mean, we can triple border patrol funding and space for holding people. But I imagine you want them all released into the country, for an open border policy. You want anyone who shows up to be given an escort INTO the country. Do I have that correct?

Dude. You work the fucking problem.
FIRST THINGS FIRST.
Whats the first thing?
Anything come to mind?

 

[cytg111]

SETTLE THE FUCK DOWN GUYS AND GALS.
This isnt jews we are talking about so obviously it cant be concentration camps.
#FAKENEWS
#WINNING

 

[cytg111]

A little something xtra

https://twitter.com/x/status/1142151178177978368

 

[zinfamous]

This is the new normal. The extreme levels of reverse partisanship means the highest priority is to deny "the other team" from addressing their concerns no matter what the knock-on effects. GOP resists the Dem priority of gun control laws even as mass killings happen. Dems resist the GOP priority of stopping the flow of illegal immigrants at the border even as the federal agencies are out of money to provide counseling, school, or even basic hygiene products for those who do arrive. Rinse and repeat for other issues.

The only people that resist dealing with immigration policy are republicans, when they are in power. Full stop. It has been that way for the last 3 decades. They reject every single one of their own policies. Hell, two years of unrestrained power from Trump and not a fucking peep from the asscuking GOP about immigration. Suddenly it's a big fucking deal as the Trump admin shits the bed trying to start wars, theft of wealth from the middle class via criminal tax cuts and ridiculous trade wars with allies.

It's grist for the mewling class of GOP trump-supporting twats that will proudly sign away their futures as long as them GOP shit on some not-white people. It's all it has ever been, and you fucking know it, and you fucking love it. This is like fresh blood for your veins.

 

[zinfamous]

Why would anyone want more concentration camp capacity?

He gets a hard-on for mass incarceration just like he gets a hard-on for unnecessarily dead mothers and impoverished, orphan babies that he will lay the blame on for being poor and orphans.

Jesus commands him.

 

[zinfamous]

I would think at this point the best way to resolve the issue, in addition to providing more humanitarian assistance to the detainees, would be to send mass quantities of immigration and other qualified judges along with attorneys (both government and human rights) to the southern border and expedite asylum requests to within the 20 day limit for family units and children while making sure they get a fair hearing. If they gain asylum then let them go on their way while also making sure they have some support structure when they are released. Don’t just drop them off on the street. The big problem is if they do not get asylum. I’ve read where immigration officials are saying a large number of asylum seekers do not qualify. We can’t just drop them off at the border so we would have to find some humane way of coordinating their return like buses or planes.

That's the proper way to do things but Trump supporters in this thread and in the country will not agree to it because these people aren't humans to them, and so they do not deserve the proper Asylum treatment that is governed by international law.

 

[cytg111]

Besides feeding the hatred in the base, this is also tactic of message of information... you send back the information that the camps are actually worse than what they are fleeing from and you get people to stay put. Obvious tactic is obvious. It works too. Question is, is it the way you WANT to handle it? Its cheaper for sure! Whats the price for a soul in todays market?

 

[HomerJS]

Really. So should we try to enforce any border at all then?



Apparently so is keeping them together. Keep them together, you get due process concerns and lawsuits that lead to the Flores Settlement agreement. Separate them, and you have what we have now.



Jesus Christ. Republicans didn't start a humanitarian crisis. 100,000 immigrants a month started a humanitarian crisis. The worst Trump did was start actually enforcing immigration laws.

The guys on the ground trying to deal with this are saying they need more funding, while people behind their laptops are saying they're just perpetuating a humanitarian crisis.



What would you propose?



I never faulted congressional democrats, and applaud them for working with republicans to getting the funding that Border Patrol has been asking for. My issue was with democrats in this thread, and the idiocy in calling these places "concentration camps."



I have four children under age 10. You think I delight seeing children separated from their parents and suffer and get sick and die? Don't be simple. My question is what the hell is to be done about it. I know what the guys directly trying to deal with this are begging for, and thankfully it looks like they'll get it. Furthermore I know that family separation at the border is as contentious as keeping families together. The site below details most of the complexity with either option, and it is no friend of the Trump administration.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/factsheet-family-separation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border/

Removing aid from the South American countries from which these people came has made it worse.