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In Disney's shadow, homeless families struggle

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realibrad said:
Thats dumb. The issue is not that there is lots of demand for jobs. The issue is that the city and its leaders are keeping down supply to keep an image of the city they want which ends up ruining it for everyone. What a stupid idea.
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It's called planing, and it's not simply for image. When a city grows the demands on infrastructure grow as well. Public transit, parking, roads, electrical grid, sewer system and water supply all play into those decisions. Parts of SF's sewer system are nearing a hundred years old. The trucks that deliver everything a city needs to survive are very hard on streets, many of which were never built with eighty thousand pound trucks in mind. It's not as simple as "build more sky scrapers".
All that said, most city's do have rules to control how much of anything gets built, if SF doesn't want to become a sprawling metropolis they get to make that decision. It's not "running it for everyone" it's protecting the interests of those that already live there. As well as limiting growth, they also do things like preventing slaughter houses from being built within city limits and controlling garbage dumps.

We all have the right to live where we choose, as long as we can afford it.
 
glenn1 said:
Hopefully it makes you feel better to know companies are hard at work to automate away jobs like that. Then they can fire them all so they don’t have to deal with the low rates of pay that “won’t support a family.”
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Wow, I can see your real-world experience is for shi*. You can't "automate" someone who cleans rooms, or cook's meals, or repairs problems so they won't be able to "fire them all" you friggin moron.
 
paperfist said:
People aren't trees, they can leave.

Why stay and kill yourself for a company making profits bigger than most nations?

It's interesting that people come to this country with nothing and do what it takes to support their family. Sometimes they do rather well for themselves.

Sure Disney shouldn't be slave employers, but the bigger enslaver is Uncle Sam. Imagine how much better people would be off if 30% of their pay didn't evaporate before they received it.

Then there's probably a nightmare of regulations Disney has to pay insurance companies to cover that they have to pass on to someone.
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So "leave" and go where?, ah, I get it, go up the east coast until you find a fair employer. Good luck with that. Oh, wait, stop all federal withholding on their paychecks, OK, who's gonna support the 5% at the top who keep their $$ offshore of find other loopholes?.
 
Plenty of places to go. Wherever the hell there’s jobs. For someone that’s poor don’t pick some expensive city. SF or NYC may have jobs but it wouldn’t be smart to move there if you’re poor.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Plenty of places to go. Wherever the hell there’s jobs. For someone that’s poor don’t pick some expensive city. SF or NYC may have jobs but it wouldn’t be smart to move there if you’re poor.
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But there's "jobs" aplenty in central FL, I know, I live here, is moving to a different area going to somehow "magically" make the core issue go away?, NOPE. Federal minimum wage should be $15/hr unless a job falls into a "seasonal" category, as in mainly HS or college student's use them for summer employment. Make employers pay enough so people won't qualify for federal assistance because if you don't they will have no other choice. All the rich CEO's and stockholders can SUCK IT, we've been coughing up in benefits what THEY should be paying in real wages.
 
BUTCH1 said:
So "leave" and go where?, ah, I get it, go up the east coast until you find a fair employer. Good luck with that. Oh, wait, stop all federal withholding on their paychecks, OK, who's gonna support the 5% at the top who keep their $$ offshore of find other loopholes?.
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msn.com always has a nice list of the cheapest cities to live in, the best paying cities to move to, the cleanest, safest, etc it's not that hard to look up.

I didn't say there were easy solutions, but there are solutions. Blaming Disney for your pay isn't going to solve you being poor. Bernie Sanders is cooking up something now to 'tax' Amazon, Walmart and others for the same exact things. He says it's their fault they don't pay enough in wages and then tax payers have to pay those workers for benefits to make up the difference. Part of the problem lies at his feet.
 
BUTCH1 said:
But there's "jobs" aplenty in central FL, I know, I live here, is moving to a different area going to somehow "magically" make the core issue go away?, NOPE. Federal minimum wage should be $15/hr unless a job falls into a "seasonal" category, as in mainly HS or college student's use them for summer employment. Make employers pay enough so people won't qualify for federal assistance because if you don't they will have no other choice. All the rich CEO's and stockholders can SUCK IT, we've been coughing up in benefits what THEY should be paying in real wages.
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Yep, the issue is housing prices around there. If they can’t find a sensibly priced apartment around there then move. Drive an hour away and they can find a cheap apartment and a job that pays comparable. They aren’t making shit nor have any skills so there’s something comparable everywhere.

Rich CEO's blah blah. These people have no skills and are doing a job literally anyone can do. You raise the wages on them and they’ll eek out way more out of them to justify it (shit job turns reeeally shitty) and ultimately automate it so the shit job doesn’t even exist. Sorry, Way it is.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Yep, the issue is housing prices around there. If they can’t find a sensibly priced apartment around there then move. Drive an hour away and they can find a cheap apartment and a job that pays comparable. They aren’t making shit nor have any skills so there’s something comparable everywhere.

Rich CEO's blah blah. These people have no skills and are doing a job literally anyone can do. You raise the wages on them and they’ll eek out way more out of them to justify it (shit job turns reeeally shitty) and ultimately automate it so the shit job doesn’t even exist. Sorry, Way it is.
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Having people to look down on gives you the warm fuzzies, doesn't it?
 
paperfist said:
msn.com always has a nice list of the cheapest cities to live in, the best paying cities to move to, the cleanest, safest, etc it's not that hard to look up.

I didn't say there were easy solutions, but there are solutions. Blaming Disney for your pay isn't going to solve you being poor. Bernie Sanders is cooking up something now to 'tax' Amazon, Walmart and others for the same exact things. He says it's their fault they don't pay enough in wages and then tax payers have to pay those workers for benefits to make up the difference. Part of the problem lies at his feet.
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But it's 100% true, not opinion, not speculation, FACT. Bezos, (and other CEO's ) are billing YOU for what THEY won't pay. You get to pay for food stamps, YOU foot the bill for emergency-room healthcare, (since the laughably low wages don't allow for insurance). YOU, YOU, ME, HIM, HER.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Yep, the issue is housing prices around there. If they can’t find a sensibly priced apartment around there then move. Drive an hour away and they can find a cheap apartment and a job that pays comparable. They aren’t making shit nor have any skills so there’s something comparable everywhere.

Rich CEO's blah blah. These people have no skills and are doing a job literally anyone can do. You raise the wages on them and they’ll eek out way more out of them to justify it (shit job turns reeeally shitty) and ultimately automate it so the shit job doesn’t even exist. Sorry, Way it is.
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You know what, your just full of shi*, I don't believe for ONE SECOND you "raised 2 kids while putting myself through collage while working 2 jobs", i don't think you've ever worked manual labor you're entire life. If you did you would understand that some jobs CANNOT be "automated". Are you going to "automate" a cook?, a maid?, a painter?, if you actually worked any of these jobs you would KNOW THAT.
 
BUTCH1 said:
You know what, your just full of shi*, I don't believe for ONE SECOND you "raised 2 kids while putting myself through collage while working 2 jobs", i don't think you've ever worked manual labor you're entire life. If you did you would understand that some jobs CANNOT be "automated". Are you going to "automate" a cook?, a maid?, a painter?, if you actually worked any of these jobs you would KNOW THAT.
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Yeah actually all those jobs are going to be automated before long. Along with truck drivers and most other unskilled jobs, and it’s going to be glorious.
 
BUTCH1 said:
You know what, your just full of shi*, I don't believe for ONE SECOND you "raised 2 kids while putting myself through collage while working 2 jobs", i don't think you've ever worked manual labor you're entire life. If you did you would understand that some jobs CANNOT be "automated". Are you going to "automate" a cook?, a maid?, a painter?, if you actually worked any of these jobs you would KNOW THAT.
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I’ve waited tables damn near 10 years it sucks but pays. My wife and I alternated working shifts (she worked the bulk though because I was in school) so one of us was constantly working. Received food stamps at the time because that was the only way to put food on the table. I’d bring my youngest up to the restaurant to breastfeed on her breaks, then go back home and put her in an electronic rocker while I did accounting homework etc. constantly, constantly finding daycares or parents or friends to help watch kids if we couldn’t (I’m definitely for government helping with the daycare bill). I drove a crappy grandma car that kept breaking. It was challenging to be sure but we made by. I graduated and she found a management job so both our incomes increased a good bit, so had that ahhh we made it feeling.

Frick you you whiny POS. And yes every job can be automated. Lawyers and docs felt no way we're safe, lol nope.
 
glenn1 said:
Yeah actually all those jobs are going to be automated before long. Along with truck drivers and most other unskilled jobs, and it’s going to be glorious.
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Where will your profit come from when the peons have no money? and why do you hate America?
 
UglyCasanova said:
I’ve waited tables damn near 10 years it sucks but pays. My wife and I alternated working shifts (she worked the bulk though because I was in school) so one of us was constantly working. Received food stamps at the time because that was the only way to put food on the table. I’d bring my youngest up to the restaurant to breastfeed on her breaks, then go back home and put her in an electronic rocker while I did accounting homework etc. constantly, constantly finding daycares or parents or friends to help watch kids if we couldn’t (I’m definitely for government helping with the daycare bill). I drove a crappy grandma car that kept breaking. It was challenging to be sure but we made by. I graduated and she found a management job so both our incomes increased a good bit, so had that ahhh we made it feeling.

Frick you you whiny POS. And yes every job can be automated. Lawyers and docs felt no way we're safe, lol nope.
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Wait a minute, you say you waited tables but claim this can be "automated", HOW?, would you care to drop $75 for a steak dinner only to have a modified Rooba come take your order?, NOT. Tell us how an "automated" Lawyer works?, deposit $$ then speak into a mike and have your legal instructions printed out for you?, REALLY??. How about an "automated" doctor, would you want it cutting on you?.
 
UglyCasanova said:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609556/lawyer-bots-are-shaking-up-jobs/

No job is safe. None.
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Per the article, it's used for document searches and possibly matches in case type or contract law. Not able to "automate" a lawyer, just cuts down on the drudge work needed to prepare a case. Now, how do you bitch to a Roomba that your $75 steak is too well done?, push a "bitch to staff" icon?, is this the level of service one would expect at a decent restaurant?. You've worked in one, would that make you a repeat customer or have you looking for another place to dine. Don't even get me started about "automated" doctors, we can't even get one to drive a car reliably yet. As for warehouse order picker, (Amazon) I can see that being automated fairly easily. How about a mechanic, a "robot' that can tackle an exhaust manifold?. Robots work excellent in repetitive tasks, they are both more precise and reliable than humans and don't get paid or need time off but they are simply not suitable for every task.
 
UglyCasanova said:
You vastly unestimate AI. Any job can be automated, it seems you’re not very well read on the matter.

https://hbr.org/2016/10/robots-will-replace-doctors-lawyers-and-other-professionals
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Automate a lawyer?. I guess it's possible is some cases that are cut + dried but others not so much. Defiantly don't see them replacing waiters, cooks, maids, mechanics, ect. The cost to develop a machine that can do those tasks would be insanely expensive and why bother when humans are readily available at low cost.
 
BUTCH1 said:
Automate a lawyer?. I guess it's possible is some cases that are cut + dried but others not so much. Defiantly don't see them replacing waiters, cooks, maids, mechanics, ect. The cost to develop a machine that can do those tasks would be insanely expensive and why bother when humans are readily available at low cost.
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You don't see it because you choose to not see it. Just how bank tellers used to say "a machine will never replace me" until ATMs came along or sales clerks working at places like Sears used to say "automation will never replace me" until Amazon did precisely that. For most jobs the limiting factor is customer acceptance of automation rather than lack of capabilities of automation to do the job. At some point places like McDonald's are going to get it correct during one of their endless trials of self-serve kiosks which will eliminate the cashier positions and several solutions have already been demonstrated for the back of the house operations. https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-burger-joint-where-robots-make-your-food-1529599213
 
The race to the bottom were everyone but those at the top win and everyone else loses, because the country has been brainwashed that it's all about me and not about we.

And this
http://constitutionus.com/

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

is just a piece of paper that gets in the way of profit.
 
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