In case you were wondering what the left really thinks about Katrina.

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Katrina: Yes, You CAN Blame Bush

I'm still not sure why New Orleans, which pulls in a *lot* of money during events such as Mardi Gras, just sat around collectively wringing their hands when the Corps of Engineers budget was reduced. Why not add an extra tax for hotel rooms, and dump that money into repairing / extending the levees?

Because the local government didn't care about the funding anymore than the Feds did. Take a look at their disaster planning.

I wonder where Rove's hurricane machine is targeting next.

I thought it was Bin Laden that had the hurricaine machine. Well whoever has it needs to cut it out.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Vic
You have to wonder about the integrity of individuals whose first response in a disaster and emergency is to point blame for their own political/ideological gain. There are suffering people right now who need our help and support, and finger-pointing doesn't do them one bit of good. Let's stay on target here, eh?

Indeed...

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Vic
You have to wonder about the integrity of individuals whose first response in a disaster and emergency is to point blame for their own political/ideological gain. There are suffering people right now who need our help and support, and finger-pointing doesn't do them one bit of good. Let's stay on target here, eh?

:thumbsup:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: yllus
I'm sure the right would attack a Democrat president for percieved inaction/incompetence just like the left is right now.

About the only useful thing to come out of the entire disaster is that we know a little more clearly who the complete retards are here on AT.

Maybe some would but I didnt blame Clinton for the floods I lived through in 97.

Another amazing thing is when Grand Forks was flooded and burned down and most of South Fargo as well there wasnt roving gangs of armed looters looking to beat and rape people.

Wow, what a valid comparison.



NOT!

Both were natural disaster no? Both displaced many people no?
What about my comparison dont you like?

Were 50,000 people stranded with no way out of the city and no access to food and water for 5 days?

Grand Forks was completely flooded out and their population is 49,231.

Then tack on the thousands in Fargo and East Grand Forks who were displaced.

Ill give you the sheer magnitude of this is much greater but my comparison is valid in the sense that I never blamed Clinton for any of the federal response. I think it took him 2 weeks before he sent somebody to fly the red river valley, or what ended up being the Red River Ocean.

Try again:

Grand Forks loses its fight against Red River
April 19, 1997
http://www.cnn.com/WEATHER/9704/19/ndakota.flooding/index.html

Clinton to view North Dakota flood damage
April 21, 1997
http://www.cnn.com/WEATHER/9704/21/flood/

President Clinton will visit North Dakota Tuesday to inspect flooding damage, the White House said. His trip will include a stop in Grand Forks, where at least 75 percent of the city was under water Monday.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: yllus
I'm sure the right would attack a Democrat president for percieved inaction/incompetence just like the left is right now.

About the only useful thing to come out of the entire disaster is that we know a little more clearly who the complete retards are here on AT.

Maybe some would but I didnt blame Clinton for the floods I lived through in 97.

Another amazing thing is when Grand Forks was flooded and burned down and most of South Fargo as well there wasnt roving gangs of armed looters looking to beat and rape people.

Wow, what a valid comparison.



NOT!

Both were natural disaster no? Both displaced many people no?
What about my comparison dont you like?

Were 50,000 people stranded with no way out of the city and no access to food and water for 5 days?

Grand Forks was completely flooded out and their population is 49,231.

Then tack on the thousands in Fargo and East Grand Forks who were displaced.

Ill give you the sheer magnitude of this is much greater but my comparison is valid in the sense that I never blamed Clinton for any of the federal response. I think it took him 2 weeks before he sent somebody to fly the red river valley, or what ended up being the Red River Ocean.

Try again:

Grand Forks loses its fight against Red River
April 19, 1997
http://www.cnn.com/WEATHER/9704/19/ndakota.flooding/index.html

Clinton to view North Dakota flood damage
April 21, 1997
http://www.cnn.com/WEATHER/9704/21/flood/

President Clinton will visit North Dakota Tuesday to inspect flooding damage, the White House said. His trip will include a stop in Grand Forks, where at least 75 percent of the city was under water Monday.

You are completely missing the point as usual.

 

[conjur]

Here's what the RNC's important issue was yesterday:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2...1/kenMehlmansMostImportantIssue91.html


Good to see you're so concerned about the tens of thousands dying of thirst, Ken.


Asshat.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur
Here's what the RNC's important issue was yesterday:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2...1/kenMehlmansMostImportantIssue91.html


Good to see you're so concerned about the tens of thousands dying of thirst, Ken.


Asshat.

Uh-huh. Riiiiiiight. I didn't realize that Ken Mehlman used "crooksandliars.com" to put out is daily message. :roll:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur
Here's what the RNC's important issue was yesterday:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2...1/kenMehlmansMostImportantIssue91.html


Good to see you're so concerned about the tens of thousands dying of thirst, Ken.


Asshat.

Uh-huh. Riiiiiiight. I didn't realize that Ken Mehlman used "crooksandliars.com" to put out is daily message. :roll:

Uh-huh. Riiiiiiight. I didn't realize you never heard of a website posting a copy of a release. :roll:

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur
Here's what the RNC's important issue was yesterday:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2...1/kenMehlmansMostImportantIssue91.html


Good to see you're so concerned about the tens of thousands dying of thirst, Ken.


Asshat.

Uh-huh. Riiiiiiight. I didn't realize that Ken Mehlman used "crooksandliars.com" to put out is daily message. :roll:

Uh-huh. Riiiiiiight. I didn't realize you never heard of a website posting a copy of a release. :roll:

Yeah. Uh-huh.

When is wonkette gonna stop pulling your strings? All you are is a walking "talking point memo".

One day, you may actually say something important, but as long as you are so condescending (especially with no substance to back it up), you'll never be heard.

(Edited for typo)

 

[conjur]

You start a thread based on a blog and you call me a talking point memo? I don't listen to talking points. You're confused by that mirror in front of your face.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur
You start a thread based on a blog and you call me a talking point memo? I don't listen to talking points. You're confused by that mirror in front of your face.

I pity you. I really do.

 

[conjur]

Time to crack heads
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20050901-090238-2051r.htm


That damn liberal rag.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Another ignorant moron from the left. Go figger. :roll:

There is plenty of evidence that this administration paid inadequate attention to potential disasters on the Gulf coast before Katrina hit. There's blame enough to go around for previous administrations, as well.

That said, if the best you have to offer is yet another stupid post bashing "the left," I'm amazed to know you have enough intellect to remember to inhale after exhaling. :roll:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Another ignorant moron from the left. Go figger. :roll:

There is plenty of evidence that this administration paid inadequate attention to potential disasters on the Gulf coast before Katrina hit. There's blame enough to go around for previous administrations, as well.

That said, if the best you have to offer is yet another stupid post bashing "the left," I'm amazed to know you have enough intellect to remember to inhale after exhaling. :roll:

The idiotic comment the guy made about global warming and the hurricane deserved the bashing, and far more than that for its breathless ignorance.

And ironically enough, you complain about my bashing...and then proceed to bash me?

Thanks for such a colorful display of your plOOHmage.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The idiotic comment the guy made about global warming and the hurricane deserved the bashing, and far more than that for its breathless ignorance.

First, there has been a lot of technical discussion in the media about the effects of global warming on the strength and path of hurricanes, past, present and future.

Second, you said nothing to refute that, or even comment about it. All you did was fart out more gas about "the left."

And ironically enough, you complain about my bashing...and then proceed to bash me?

You earned every bit of it with your vapid, meaningless post. That is a fact. Keep it up, and I'll continue to call you on it. :frown:

 

[Moonbeam]

How come nobody ever blames the hurricane?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Katrina: Yes, You CAN Blame Bush

I'm still not sure why New Orleans, which pulls in a *lot* of money during events such as Mardi Gras, just sat around collectively wringing their hands when the Corps of Engineers budget was reduced. Why not add an extra tax for hotel rooms, and dump that money into repairing / extending the levees?

Because the local government didn't care about the funding anymore than the Feds did. Take a look at their disaster planning.

I wonder where Rove's hurricane machine is targeting next.

I noticed him scurrying onto Marine One this morning. Bush likes to keep his "political" damage control close at hand.

Do you have any proof that local government didn't care about funding disaster preparedness for NO? There appears to be multiple lines of evidence implying FEMA during the Bush Regime did not consider it a priority.

In all fairness, it appears the NO disaster plan was . . . "call for help." But I'm not sure you could expect much considering the scope of their problems.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Condor

Liberal DSers! Everyone knows that all of the bad in nature developed since 2001! They defeated our strong America and put in a weak, lace cuffed one! It takes time to recover from that.

Can you please tone down the insulting partisan rhetoric a little bit under the circumstances? This nation has incredible challenges in front of it - this isn't the time for this stupid bickering.

No, they can't. No one seems to be able to do it. I spend most of the day yesterday beating back the repugnant partisan BS, but it still continued and is still continuing. It's a rather sad display considering the massive HUMAN crisis that is going on. It seems some only want to exploit it for partisan agendas. It makes me sick.

I'm glad you are on board with the effort to confront this sort of BILE though, it shows you have some class. Thanks. 🙂:beer: I just wish more had enough had that level of class.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: yllus
I'm sure the right would attack a Democrat president for percieved inaction/incompetence just like the left is right now.

About the only useful thing to come out of the entire disaster is that we know a little more clearly who the complete retards are here on AT.

Maybe some would but I didnt blame Clinton for the floods I lived through in 97.

Another amazing thing is when Grand Forks was flooded and burned down and most of South Fargo as well there wasnt roving gangs of armed looters looking to beat and rape people.

1) Population density ALWAYS matters. The total population of Grand Forks was 52,000 . . . likely quite spread out considering the fires consumed less than a dozen buildings. By the time the river crested only 700 residents (10%) remained in East Grand Forks and 13,000 (25%) in Grand Forks.

2) In the weeks leading up to the flood, the National Weather Service was predicting the flood so some people were busying preparing. Even as the flood waters rose, many were busy trying to reinforce dikes (including letting school kids out to help). NO residents had to ride out a hurricane . . . I would say Grand Forks had a better deal.

3) TWO days after its peak, water receded enough that Grand Forks residents could leave the comfort of their out of town shelters to briefly check their homes.

There's absolutely no excuse for the despicable behavior of some people in New Orleans, but it only proves that if you have a large enough group . . . you will find a couple of arseholes.

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How come nobody ever blames the hurricane?

Because blaming Bush for everything sells you newspapers and ratings as well. Katrina was a natural disaster. Blaming Bush for the disaster is being ignorant at the least. Even if he had started the federal relief program in the area it would take days for the trucks and supplies to arrive.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How come nobody ever blames the hurricane?

I quit actively participating in this particular forum for several reasons. One of which was an apparent lack of people who were interested in or equipped to engage in lively and thoughtful debate. Therein lies the answer to your query Moonie.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How come nobody ever blames the hurricane?

Yes hurricane is ultimatly responsible but Government neglect personified in the president attibuted to the flooding/out of control people you see.

1. Funding was slashed on leevy work dispite expets from LSU professors to ACOE warnings to the contrary
2. Lousiana Hesco barriers are all in iraq which prevent flooding.
3. Combat national gaurd Troops are all in iraq on a fools mission.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/flood.html

More:

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:


The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.


The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.


"The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said. "I've got at least six levee construction contracts that need to be done to raise the levee protection back to where it should be (because of settling). Right now I owe my contractors about $5 million. And we're going to have to pay them interest."

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

http://alternet.org/story/24871/

What's worse is the bickering IMO so alas every time government drops the ball we end up paying 400-500 Billion for the catastrophe instead of millions, no one gets fired (google able danger), and life contines business as usual.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How come nobody ever blames the hurricane?

I quit actively participating in this particular forum for several reasons. One of which was an apparent lack of people who were interested in or equipped to engage in lively and thoughtful debate. Therein lies the answer to your query Moonie.

That is why you don't blame the Hurricane?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How come nobody ever blames the hurricane?

Yes hurricane is ultimatly responsible but Government neglect personified in the president attibuted to the flooding/out of control people you see.

1. Funding was slashed on leevy work dispite expets from LSU professors to ACOE warnings to the contrary
2. Lousiana Hesco barriers are all in iraq which prevent flooding.
3. Combat national gaurd Troops are all in iraq on a fools mission.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/flood.html

More:

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:


The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.


The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.


"The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said. "I've got at least six levee construction contracts that need to be done to raise the levee protection back to where it should be (because of settling). Right now I owe my contractors about $5 million. And we're going to have to pay them interest."

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

http://alternet.org/story/24871/

What's worse is the bickering IMO so alas every time government drops the ball we end up paying 400-500 Billion for the catastrophe instead of millions, no one gets fired (google able danger), and life contines business as usual.

I don't disagree with you Zebo, but I am rather use to a long life of nobody listening to anything important. Hehe. I have no illusions whatever that people can either plan or think. Bush is us. Humanity is a great big deaf dumb blind amoeba. Nobody is to blame cause it can't be otherwise. We cannot be made to know how we feel. It will take a slow, one person at a time, revolution.

 

[blackwolf1975]

Yep that one blog sums it up for all lefties.