In case you doubt that the 2nd Trump administration is intent on sending the nation into a nose dive...

[brycejones]

The issue is if Trump succesfully has the Nuclear weapons, we are done, they will use it to conquer and destroy the opposition.

US just gave the weapons to monkeys... we are screwed

As shitty as it is, we are a long way away from nuking Ann Arbor.

 

[manly]

Sadly that easier said than done. Unless there is a mass exodus from social media I don’t see things getting better.

In this case, things just have to get worse before they can get better. Logically if Trump 2.0 is a "successful" administration, however that is defined, Dems would be in electoral trouble for a while. And that fucker has been graded on a curve his entire life so voters may not even respond to "muddling along" as opposed to real pain.

The true believers are unreachable and we should delight in their suffering. There is a lot of squishy middle who thought "Trump good at economy" but could soon start being laid off due to his trade war that are going to put one and one together finally.

Couple points here. One, some 77M voters chose Trump. There is a fundamental misunderstanding amongst many (D) voters that Trump voters are all MAGAts or Trumpsters. As Nate Silver wrote a long time ago, the loyal Trump voter is about 1/3 of the electorate (perhaps more but it's below 40% in my opinion). As Silver wrote, Trump has a high floor but a low ceiling. So it's a portion of that 10-15% of the electorate that needs to wake the fuck up, starting in 2026. Not even the whole chunk, just a few percentage points switches outcomes, as we've seen.

And economically, there's nothing that changes people's minds faster than layoffs and a recession.* The median voter may be dumb as rocks when it came to evaluating Bidenomics but reality doesn't care about false narratives. A combination of trade-war induced inflation and higher unemployment would wreck consumer confidence before midterm campaigning.

Honestly though, I don't expect it to come to that w.r.t. tariffs. CA/MX don't want this trade war and Trump doesn't want the recession. Both sides will somehow compromise and Donny will declare "total victory" like he always does. But there is a non-zero chance that the Trump admin fucks up the global economy.

* EY models ~ 2% GDP decline for both 2025 and 2026 if tariffs stick. I have no idea the last recession that came with consecutive years of GDP decline.

 

[Muse]

In this case, things just have to get worse before they can get better. Logically if Trump 2.0 is a "successful" administration, however that is defined, Dems would be in electoral trouble for a while. And that fucker has been graded on a curve his entire life so voters may not even respond to "muddling along" as opposed to real pain.



Couple points here. One, some 77M voters chose Trump. There is a fundamental misunderstanding amongst many (D) voters that Trump voters are all MAGAts or Trumpsters. As Nate Silver wrote a long time ago, the loyal Trump voter is about 1/3 of the electorate (perhaps more but it's below 40% in my opinion). As Silver wrote, Trump has a high floor but a low ceiling. So it's a portion of that 10-15% of the electorate that needs to wake the fuck up, starting in 2026. Not even the whole chunk, just a few percentage points switches outcomes, as we've seen.

And economically, there's nothing that changes people's minds faster than layoffs and a recession.* The median voter may be dumb as rocks when it came to evaluating Bidenomics but reality doesn't care about false narratives. A combination of trade-war induced inflation and higher unemployment would wreck consumer confidence before midterm campaigning.

Honestly though, I don't expect it to come to that w.r.t. tariffs. CA/MX don't want this trade war and Trump doesn't want the recession. Both sides will somehow compromise and Donny will declare "total victory" like he always does. But there is a non-zero chance that the Trump admin fucks up the global economy.

* EY models ~ 2% GDP decline for both 2025 and 2026 if tariffs stick. I have no idea the last recession that came with consecutive years of GDP decline.

Yeah, you guys can imagine the voting public will forgive Trump any and everything but a recession and increased unemployment are unforgivable. Wrecking the economy will have tangible consequences at the voting booth. They may be trying to destroy democracy but I don't see signs yet of elections in the USA being inconsequential.

 

[DZero]

Now, with the news of Putin having good news about him and Trump something came on my mind... what if Trump and Putin are making an unholy alliance against the rest of the world considering that both has the highest ammount of nuclear heads in history?

 

[darkswordsman17]

This is what you voted for. Why do you wish economic devastation on your fellow Americans?


You can’t claim you had no idea because people here repeatedly told you this was the predictable outcome of Trumps promised policies.

Because he'll be dead soon and thinks he won't experience any of the effects of his decisions.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Now, with the news of Putin having good news about him and Trump something came on my mind... what if Trump and Putin are making an unholy alliance against the rest of the world considering that both has the highest ammount of nuclear heads in history?

Er...well yeah, except its not an alliance, Putin has Turmp by the balls and has been making him do all this shit to sabotage America. They aren't in cahoots to buddy up, Putin got Turmp to fuck up America for him. Turmp doesn't give a shit as he just cares about himself, so as long as he gets to live out the rest of his life as he got used to, he'll throw everyone else (including his own kids) under the apocalypse bus.

 

[Muse]

Link to current lead story on page one of The New York Times.

This penetrates NYT's paywall for 14 days, i.e. until Feb. 17, 2025

If unchecked, Elon Musk's incursions into the workings of the federal government appear to have the potential to utterly destroy it.

Elon Musk’s Blitz Shakes U.S. Government as He Sweeps Through Agencies

The billionaire is creating major upheaval as his team sweeps through agencies, in what has been an extraordinary flexing of power by a private individual.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Artorias]

Who pays the national guard? Particularly the salaries of the men and women. States or the fed?

How long before we start hearing about the American "Waffen-SS".

 

[nakedfrog]

This is what you voted for. Why do you wish economic devastation on your fellow Americans?


You can’t claim you had no idea because people here repeatedly told you this was the predictable outcome of Trumps promised policies.

He claims to be poor in the "personal food storage" thread in OT. Imagine being retired, poor, and voting for Trump... allegedly because of imaginary "uncontrolled borders" and trans people.