In case you doubt that the 2nd Trump administration is intent on sending the nation into a nose dive...

[Muse]

And, no, I wasn't even thinking of the two highly fatal aviation disasters of the last few days, one a couple of colliding aircraft into the freezing Potomac days after firing the bipartisan chosen head of the FAA, the other a Leer Jet loaded with fuel straight down into a highly populated section of Philadelphia, these frying (or freezing) and killing dozens. No, I was thinking of this:

Trumpie EO's the USDA to remove all references to climate change. Farmers (and others) were using that functionality to plan their enterprises. No more. This is sweeping.

Tariffs hit today, 25% on our two neighbors, Canada and Mexico, 10% on China. Trump's promise to eliminate inflation was nothing other than a monstrous lie. He intends to shake down the American public and shove the billions collected from them to his billionaire friends. "I'm sure the public will understand," he said. Oh, but will they?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It's the fascists' dream to replace taxes on oligarchs with sales tax on the workers.

 

[biostud]

What they do have to remember is that, many Americans have their own "Guillotine" and decide to go Luigi on them at a certain point, if pushed hard enough.

 

[Greenman]

Tariffs are going to hurt a lot. Hello recession.

 

[K1052]

Tariffs are going to hurt a lot. Hello recession.

If he carries out the full deportation you can say "hello depression" instead.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Tariffs are going to hurt a lot. Hello recession.

With everything the orange shithead is doing, it will be a depression that makes the great depression look like a walk in the park.

But you should be okay with this, as this is what you voted for. So it's time to buckle up buttercup and enjoy the ride you asked for.

 

[brycejones]

Tariffs are going to hurt a lot. Hello recession.

This is what you voted for. Why do you wish economic devastation on your fellow Americans?


You can’t claim you had no idea because people here repeatedly told you this was the predictable outcome of Trumps promised policies.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Tariffs are going to hurt a lot. Hello recession.

Remember that it's going to hurt other people worse than you, which will probably make you a target. Enjoy being a floating boat among others anchored to the bottom.

 

[Greenman]

The deportation side of it is a disaster we created for profit. We imported a peasant class, put them in the position of not being able to complain about working conditions or pay, and treated them like shit. That needed to end.
We fucked ourselves again when we gave up manufacturing. It was great to move all that pollution and industrial waste offshore and crow about how environmentally enlightened we are, but sooner or later those folks were going to get tired of industrial waste and poverty.
So while all of this is going to suck, and suck really huge, it seems to me that it was bound to happen. We got to live high on the hog at expense of others for a long time. Now we're going to have to figure out how to do it ourselves.

 

[K1052]

The deportation side of it is a disaster we created for profit. We imported a peasant class, put them in the position of not being able to complain about working conditions or pay, and treated them like shit. That needed to end.

You talking about the H-2B's lol? If you are undocumented in a labor shortage you can up and disappear from your employer and what are they gonna do about it? Also they are literally propping you personally up by paying into SS/Medicare which they will never receive. Better start giving some of that money back buddy.

We fucked ourselves again when we gave up manufacturing. It was great to move all that pollution and industrial waste offshore and crow about how environmentally enlightened we are, but sooner or later those folks were going to get tired of industrial waste and poverty.

Republicans want to gut environmental regulation in the US so the companies can poison you here instead of other people elsewhere. Not to mention I think your concern for people in another county is likely disingenuous. Meanwhile Americans don't want to pay more for anything ever so good luck.

Also US manufacturing output went up but employment went down. Hmmm what technologies could have caused this?

So while all of this is going to suck, and suck really huge, it seems to me that it was bound to happen. We got to live high on the hog at expense of others for a long time. Now we're going to have to figure out how to do it ourselves.

My man. Causing economic devastation on purpose for no real reason is likely to have some adverse consequences. Especially for people who say we just have it coming.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

The deportation side of it is a disaster we created for profit. We imported a peasant class, put them in the position of not being able to complain about working conditions or pay, and treated them like shit. That needed to end.
We fucked ourselves again when we gave up manufacturing. It was great to move all that pollution and industrial waste offshore and crow about how environmentally enlightened we are, but sooner or later those folks were going to get tired of industrial waste and poverty.
So while all of this is going to suck, and suck really huge, it seems to me that it was bound to happen. We got to live high on the hog at expense of others for a long time. Now we're going to have to figure out how to do it ourselves.

If you’ve been voting Republican for the last 40+ years, this is what you voted for. Takes a lot of gall to spend your work life in the most prosperous state in the union, voting against the things that made that state great, then retire to one of the least prosperous states in the union, which was held down by the very things you voted for, to make your money go farther.

Then you spend years on this forum playing dumb when people ask you and inform you about the plans and consequences of your chosen champions. And now we arrive at the greatest expression of modern republicanism, a man you voted for with zero excuse not to know his plans. And as he and his unelected parasites begin to break shit and hurt Americans precisely like they said they would, you say this was inevitable.

 

[IronWing]

The deportation side of it is a disaster we created for profit. We imported a peasant class, put them in the position of not being able to complain about working conditions or pay, and treated them like shit. That needed to end.
We fucked ourselves again when we gave up manufacturing. It was great to move all that pollution and industrial waste offshore and crow about how environmentally enlightened we are, but sooner or later those folks were going to get tired of industrial waste and poverty.
So while all of this is going to suck, and suck really huge, it seems to me that it was bound to happen. We got to live high on the hog at expense of others for a long time. Now we're going to have to figure out how to do it ourselves.

You’re not doing shit yourself. You figure you’re safe from the catastrophe you voted for, safe in your enclave.

 

[outriding]

The deportation side of it is a disaster we created for profit.

That is such an over simplification of the issue it is disingenuous

Greed is closer to it

With the price of groceries going up and a large part of the population not caring about it is not so much a concern for the consumer.


But what legislation has the gop put forth to fix illegals besides a wall? FYI the answer is none

But if u think it is an issue why should you vote for a man whose companies exploit illegals ( trumps companies has been caught hiring illegals). You really think he will fix illegal labor if he is benefiting from it?

 

[biostud]

How are you seeing EU/US trade balance?


Obviously US buy more from US than EU buy, but do you think it is an unfair deal or is it because we have different economic policies?

US is running with a huge deficit on their budget creating a huge demand for goods, while EU is far more conservative (and also have zero growth in their economy).

EU also has some pretty strict rules when it comes to consumer goods in regards to safety, chemicals and environmental regulations. Some would argue it is to prevent competition, while most Europeans are for it.

And while he has first used Tariffs to bully Columbia, now Canada, Mexico and in part China. Remember how he said he would use them against Denmark, and hasn't happened? Well apparently he is not ready to battle EU yet...

 

[IronWing]

How are you seeing EU/US trade balance?


Obviously US buy more from US than EU buy, but do you think it is an unfair deal or is it because we have different economic policies?

US is running with a huge deficit on their budget creating a huge demand for goods, while EU is far more conservative (and also have zero growth in their economy).

EU also has some pretty strict rules when it comes to consumer goods in regards to safety, chemicals and environmental regulations. Some would argue it is to prevent competition, while most Europeans are for it.

And while he has first used Tariffs to bully Columbia, now Canada, Mexico and in part China. Remember how he said he would use them against Denmark, and hasn't happened? Well apparently he is not ready to battle EU yet...

The US trade deficit is a spectacularly good deal for the US as long as people keep accepting our dollars. Thanks for the cheap stuff! If the dollar collapses, well, thanks for the free stuff!

Of course, it is a bit more nuanced as the benefits of the trade imbalance flow mostly to the oligarchs.

 

[Greenman]

You talking about the H-2B's lol? If you are undocumented in a labor shortage you can up and disappear from your employer and what are they gonna do about it? Also they are literally propping you personally up by paying into SS/Medicare which they will never receive. Better start giving some of that money back buddy.



Republicans want to gut environmental regulation in the US so the companies can poison you here instead of other people elsewhere. Not to mention I think your concern for people in another county is likely disingenuous. Meanwhile Americans don't want to pay more for anything ever so good luck.

Also US manufacturing output went up but employment went down. Hmmm what technologies could have caused this?

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My man. Causing economic devastation on purpose for no real reason is likely to have some adverse consequences. Especially for people who say we just have it coming.

I'm not talking about any sort of visa, I'm talking about people who are undocumented. I worked my entire life in an industry that used illegal's. They were paid cash, no taxes or employer co-pays involved. No workmens comp, no overtime pay, no protections of any kind. The employers made bank, the employees got fucked, and pretty much everyone turned a blind eye to it.

The coming mess is going to hurt me as much as anyone else, the only difference is that I've been expecting it. Our prosperity is built to a large extent on the poverty of others, cheap labor and offshore production in country's that don't regulate pollution or protect labor has just been reduced, I'm a little surprised you're not a little happy about that.

 

[K1052]

I'm not talking about any sort of visa, I'm talking about people who are undocumented. I worked my entire life in an industry that used illegal's. They were paid cash, no taxes or employer co-pays involved. No workmens comp, no overtime pay, no protections of any kind. The employers made bank, the employees got fucked, and pretty much everyone turned a blind eye to it.

I'm not sure how many times you need to be told that undocumented workers paying into SS/Medicare through fraudulent SSNs is broadly happening. H2-Bs are employer locked and actually have way less freedom.

The coming mess is going to hurt me as much as anyone else, the only difference is that I've been expecting it. Our prosperity is built to a large extent on the poverty of others, cheap labor and offshore production in country's that don't regulate pollution or protect labor has just been reduced, I'm a little surprised you're not a little happy about that.

The rational solution here is to legalize them and create a more robust guest worker program. Not toss 15M people out and crater the fucking economy because of racism.

Also as a general rule the US imposes stronger labor and environmental standards on the countries we craft trade agreements with that they would have otherwise. This is not a zero sum game.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I'm not talking about any sort of visa, I'm talking about people who are undocumented. I worked my entire life in an industry that used illegal's. They were paid cash, no taxes or employer co-pays involved. No workmens comp, no overtime pay, no protections of any kind. The employers made bank, the employees got fucked, and.

The coming mess is going to hurt me as much as anyone else, the only difference is that I've been expecting it. Our prosperity is built to a large extent on the poverty of others, cheap labor and offshore production in country's that don't regulate pollution or protect labor has just been reduced, I'm a little surprised you're not a little happy about that.

Everyone including you turned a blind eye to it.. so you are just as guilty, so stop sitting here on your high horse. Basically, you need to stfu because you have no right to bitch about something you where ok with, and did nothing about aswell, which really wasn't a problem until it all became a political hot button. BTW undocumented is equivalant to jay walking.. do you have equal issues with jay walkers, or better yet do you have issues with the millions of US citizens who also work under the table, pay no taxes, etc? Because I don't recall you getting all worked up over US citizens.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'm not sure how many times you need to be told that undocumented workers paying into SS/Medicare through fraudulent SSNs is broadly happening. H2-Bs are employer locked and actually have way less freedom.



The rational solution here is to legalize them and create a more robust guest worker program. Not toss 15M people out and crater the fucking economy because of racism.

Also as a general rule the US imposes stronger labor and environmental standards on the countries we craft trade agreements with that they would have otherwise. This is not a zero sum game.

You mean to tell me that if something is illegal but still used to the point that it's practically unenforceable without becoming Nazis, we should instead legalize and regulate it? But sir, how will we exploit people and spread misery if we do that?

 

[K1052]

You mean to tell me that if something is illegal but still used to the point that it's practically unenforceable without becoming Nazis, we should instead legalize and regulate it? But sir, how will we exploit people and spread misery if we do that?

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

 

[purbeast0]

Everyone including you turned a blind eye to it.. so you are just as guilty, so stop sitting here on your high horse. Basically, you need to stfu because you have no right to bitch about something you where ok with, and did nothing about aswell, which really wasn't a problem until it all became a political hot button. BTW undocumented is equivalant to jay walking.. do you have equal issues with jay walkers, or better yet do you have issues with the millions of US citizens who also work under the table, pay no taxes, etc? Because I don't recall you getting all worked up over US citizens.

He must have really hated me when I was 14 years old working at a grocery store as a bagger, making minimum wage of $5.25 and getting tips for taking groceries to people's cars. I reported my minimum wage pay on my 1040EZ but I completely did not report my tips.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Tariffs are going to hurt a lot. Hello recession.

So why the fuck did you vote for them?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The deportation side of it is a disaster we created for profit. We imported a peasant class, put them in the position of not being able to complain about working conditions or pay, and treated them like shit. That needed to end.

So you voted for the guy who hires illegals?

 

[RalphTheCow]

Tariffs are going to hurt a lot. Hello recession.

So why the hell would anyone vote for that?

 

[trenchfoot]

What they do have to remember is that, many Americans have their own "Guillotine" and decide to go Luigi on them at a certain point, if pushed hard enough.

That's where the deception, the sleight of hand, the magic gets doubled down on on the same dumb as rocks dupes that thought it was such a great idea to fuck around and get Trump elected again. They bought into the misogyny, the racist rants, the lies and disinformation that felt so good to hear, never mind that they were being played the fools. These fuckers actually believe that Trump is going to make them richer when it's so blatantly obvious that Trump and the oligarchs he's suddenly befriended are planning the biggest heist of the treasury ever while mounting an epic raiding party on the middle class' wallets, purses and gov't subsidized social safety net benefits.

So long as Trump and the spellcasters over at FOX etc. that the oligarch aristocrats hired to keep these gullibles drugged up on the targeted bullshit that hits them in their mindfucked emotional epicenters, Trump and his lackeys can pretty much get away with anything their greed driven agendas can dream up. Millions of these morons still believe The Big Lie and I really feel that Trump himself can't believe how abjectly stupid those fanatics of his are that he could pull that off so easily and so convincingly.