In an America with strict gun control....

[fskimospy]

If you could muster the majority for abolition of guns then removing posse comitatus at the same time would be cake.

I don't support banning all guns, but even if I did you're now conjuring up other laws that you must assume will be passed for no reason. Lazy argument. The military wouldn't be used because that's illegal.

I have no doubt that if you were to force disarmament on the country that you'd have no problem with using violence force to impose it, including the military.

You're the one with the fetish for using the military against civilians, not me.

If not I would be curious why you would hesitate since otherwise they people who refused would be "enemies domestic" almost by definition.

For someone who spent 12 years in the military you have a poor understanding of the oath you took. That oath is to protect the CONSTITUTION from 'enemies domestic'. Civilians violating gun control laws are not a threat to the constitution. So no, not even remotely close to 'by definition', haha.

 

[MagickMan]

Do you have any clue what this thread is about? We are assuming such an amendment were to be passed.

It wouldn't, there'd be civil war.

 

[MagickMan]

LMAO!!!

Hilarious thread is hilarious

Yep, it's progressivist mental masturbation.

 

[Spungo]

I make all my own regular-use ammunition (as do most other serious gun collectors), so good luck w/ that. The only ammo I purchase outright is very specific stuff, like tracers.

You make your own gunpowder?

 

[glenn1]

You make your own gunpowder?

Y'all are spending a lot of time and mental energy on this fantasy scenario. Might be a little bit more useful if you spent the time doing something productive, like personally helping those black ghetto kids that you're worried about shooting you. You know, the people who are the main reason you support gun control to begin with and generally leave to some government functionary to do something with on your behalf. Maybe admitting the way you've been trying to handle the problem for the last 50 years isn't working (whether it's firearms or scary people with firearms) and try a new approach. An approach that doesn't involve you seeming like you want to disarm and enslave the population would be a good start.

 

[jackstar7]

Is your stance that you're not worried about black kids shooting you?

Or do your motives for gun-hugging not come into question?

 

[MagickMan]

You make your own gunpowder?

I don't, but I can, and so can anyone else who paid attention in high school chemistry.

 

[Spungo]

Maybe admitting the way you've been trying to handle the problem for the last 50 years isn't working (whether it's firearms or scary people with firearms) and try a new approach. An approach that doesn't involve you seeming like you want to disarm and enslave the population would be a good start.

Requiring a license to buy explosives has worked quite well in other countries.
You can try this next time you're in Canada. Go a local gun store and try to buy bullets. It doesn't matter what kind. They'll ask to see your license, you'll say you don't have one, and they'll refuse to sell bullets to you. This is why guns are not a problem in Canada. There are millions of unregistered guns in circulation, but they're sort of useless without ammunition. Most gun enthusiasts are not criminals, so most of them will refuse to buy bullets for you.

The other interesting thing about Canada is that guns have minimum sizes. You can buy a Desert Eagle without a problem, but you can't buy a saturday night special. You can buy a 7mm semi automatic hunting rifle, but you can't buy a semi automatic AK-47 because the AK is too short. This makes perfect sense because most gun crimes in the US involve small guns that are concealed. Nobody robs a store with a giant hunting rifle. Nobody keeps a Desert Eagle in their purse.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Good thing the US has the 2nd amendment that will not be repealed anytime in the near future.

Pipe dream thread is pipe dream

 

[glenn1]

Requiring a license to buy explosives has worked quite well in other countries.
You can try this next time you're in Canada. Go a local gun store and try to buy bullets. It doesn't matter what kind. They'll ask to see your license, you'll say you don't have one, and they'll refuse to sell bullets to you. This is why guns are not a problem in Canada. There are millions of unregistered guns in circulation, but they're sort of useless without ammunition. Most gun enthusiasts are not criminals, so most of them will refuse to buy bullets for you.

The other interesting thing about Canada is that guns have minimum sizes. You can buy a Desert Eagle without a problem, but you can't buy a saturday night special. You can buy a 7mm semi automatic hunting rifle, but you can't buy a semi automatic AK-47 because the AK is too short. This makes perfect sense because most gun crimes in the US involve small guns that are concealed. Nobody robs a store with a giant hunting rifle. Nobody keeps a Desert Eagle in their purse.

Yes, they have the Possession and Acquisitions license you must obtain before buying your ammunition at Canada Tire. Considering that it only consists of a safety course and background check it's not that high of a bar to jump over, no moreso than similar background requirements in the U.S. to purchase handguns. You certainly can't say "guns aren't a problem in Canada" since since the violence rates in Canuckistan aren't much different than Switzerland where gun ownership is mandatory.

 

[ivwshane]

Then why is the constant argument against abortion that "women will just revert to back alley abortions with coat hangers" then? Or why did Prohibition fail? The idea of disarming gun owners is just the same kind of stupid power trip fantasy. Only you should be a bit more nervous about doing so monumentally stupid as unlike pregnant women, most gun owners have the means and mindset to resist.

Just because I post in a fantasy thread doesn't mean I support it in reality.
For the exercise of this threads topics I have assumed certain things have happened in order for us to get to a point where guns are being confiscated.
My comments are in that context. It appears other posters comments aren't in the same context.

Do you understand this?

 

[ivwshane]

Y'all are spending a lot of time and mental energy on this fantasy scenario. Might be a little bit more useful if you spent the time doing something productive, like personally helping those black ghetto kids that you're worried about shooting you. You know, the people who are the main reason you support gun control to begin with and generally leave to some government functionary to do something with on your behalf. Maybe admitting the way you've been trying to handle the problem for the last 50 years isn't working (whether it's firearms or scary people with firearms) and try a new approach. An approach that doesn't involve you seeming like you want to disarm and enslave the population would be a good start.

Wow...you have some issues.

 

[OverVolt]

Yes, they have the Possession and Acquisitions license you must obtain before buying your ammunition at Canada Tire. Considering that it only consists of a safety course and background check it's not that high of a bar to jump over, no moreso than similar background requirements in the U.S. to purchase handguns. You certainly can't say "guns aren't a problem in Canada" since since the violence rates in Canuckistan aren't much different than Switzerland where gun ownership is mandatory.

The US is a cultural melting pot!

AKA crime spills over the Mexican border.

Also crime statistics aren't really comparable between countries. In Japan they won't even open a murder investigation unless they already know who did it. That way they solve 90%+ of murders. Otherwise its determined to be a suicide or whatever. Japan has the Yakuza afterall.

 

[MagickMan]

Wow...you have some issues.

You say that about a whole lot of people, sounds like you're just projecting. :hmm:

 

[Knowing]

Literally why are we still talking about this?

They don't have the votes and the majority of law enforcement (ie the people that would be tasked with the heavy lifting by our well meaning nanny overlords) wouldn't be okay with it. It would be the cherry on top of the divisive policies and tit for tat logic killing rational discussion in this country. Further, the festering shitholes where the majority of gun violence occurs (and is promptly ignored because the people that are totally not pushing for total confiscation can't open that can of worms) would still be the source of the majority of gun violence. Which of course is entirely ignoring that there would be an enormous spike in tragic boating accidents by millions of politically savvy gun owners.

So again, beyond the irrational attraction to circle jerk power trip fantasies, why are we even bothering to discuss this?

 

[werepossum]

Let's play out your wet dream. How exactly would the imagined supermajority of Americans voting to abolish guns impose their will on those who own the guns? You guys won't have guns so you can't really do much to take them away from those who do; would you honestly send in the police and military to disarm gun owners by force? And if so, how many of those police and military would obey such an order?

Dude, consider who you are addressing. He would happily send in the police and military to enforce his preference on anything, because people who disagree are insane and (for some reason that escapes everyone who isn't a 12 year old boy) gross.

Requiring a license to buy explosives has worked quite well in other countries.
You can try this next time you're in Canada. Go a local gun store and try to buy bullets. It doesn't matter what kind. They'll ask to see your license, you'll say you don't have one, and they'll refuse to sell bullets to you. This is why guns are not a problem in Canada. There are millions of unregistered guns in circulation, but they're sort of useless without ammunition. Most gun enthusiasts are not criminals, so most of them will refuse to buy bullets for you.

The other interesting thing about Canada is that guns have minimum sizes. You can buy a Desert Eagle without a problem, but you can't buy a saturday night special. You can buy a 7mm semi automatic hunting rifle, but you can't buy a semi automatic AK-47 because the AK is too short. This makes perfect sense because most gun crimes in the US involve small guns that are concealed. Nobody robs a store with a giant hunting rifle. Nobody keeps a Desert Eagle in their purse.

Interesting. So if I wished to subvert Canada, I could smuggle in hacksaws and videos about operating hacksaws.

Oddly enough, a Desert Eagle is a LOT smaller than a AK-47. Almost like someone didn't really think there . . .

 

[Fanatical Meat]

In my State to get a gun permit one needs to go to the local police, talk to some tenured officer and complete a gun safety course. I remember when my friends got permits they tend to want references.
I know this won't work in every situation but its a simple local strategy why is this idea offensive to some people.
Imagine the Colorado movie shooter going to the Police to ask for a gun. He'd show up looking crazy, I'd bet he spoke crazy (I'm guessing on this), I doubt he'd have family references and it appears he really didn't have friends.
The most recent shooter maybe the officer would say to the Mom do you think its a good idea to have an arsenal around your child. Maybe we'd have a better outcome?

 

[glenn1]

Just because I post in a fantasy thread doesn't mean I support it in reality.
For the exercise of this threads topics I have assumed certain things have happened in order for us to get to a point where guns are being confiscated.
My comments are in that context. It appears other posters comments aren't in the same context.

Do you understand this?

I guess you lack the imagination to even think beyond one element of a fantasy scenario, it's only the part you find appealing that you think through.

Let's consider the news articles and posts on ATPN the day after the 2nd Amendment is repealed and all firearms confiscated.

* Ivwshane, Eskimospy, etc. post self-congratulatory threads. Hooray, take that right wing gun nuts!

* Same people feel suddenly safer and convinced the scourge of gun violence will finally end

* Massive police raids occur to sweep firearms from the inner city as they weren't turned in voluntarily by the local drug dealers and gangs. Extreme police brutality results and the residents fight back, making the LA Riots look like child's play. The National Guard is called into the Top 50 U.S. cities with more to come. Baltimore begins to look like Baghdad, up to a whole "Green Zone" sector.

* A healthy percentage of suburban and rural gun owners refuse to participate and turn in their guns, with local police forces both unwilling and unable to go door-to-door to enforce the order.

* POTUS cites the enabling legislation clause of the 28th Amendment (repealing the 2nd) to nationalize firearms and ammunition makers.

* Citizen partisan organizations evolve to actively fight back against a federal government seen as tyrannical. Even if limited to a small fraction of the population (say half of one percent) that's still 1.5 million resistance fighters. Federal buildings get bombed, judges and legislators are targeted and some killed.

* The federal government loses control of large geographical areas of several red states. Current firearm owners in places like Montana and Idaho have the will, local knowledge, and most importantly the firepower to impose sovereignty. Federal military forces can hold existing bases and other small site federal properties, but not much else.

* Gun violence goes way up, confounding the dreams and aspirations of the progressives who proposed the Amendment in the first place. They urge the POTUS to declare martial law to forcibly stamp out resistance to the 28th Amendment.

* Inner city residents fight back, heeding the call of community leaders to "take the fight outside your own community." Violence and property crimes against upscale whites in gentrified and wealthy areas spike several orders of magnitude. In Chicago, murder rates triple, with almost all the increase being minorities killing whites.

I could go on, but I hopefully now the anti-gun might start seeing the reality of their wet dream fantasy scenario.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I guess you lack the imagination to even think beyond one element of a fantasy scenario, it's only the part you find appealing that you think through.

Let's consider the news articles and posts on ATPN the day after the 2nd Amendment is repealed and all firearms confiscated.

* Ivwshane, Eskimospy, etc. post self-congratulatory threads. Hooray, take that right wing gun nuts!

* Same people feel suddenly safer and convinced the scourge of gun violence will finally end

* Massive police raids occur to sweep firearms from the inner city as they weren't turned in voluntarily by the local drug dealers and gangs. Extreme police brutality results and the residents fight back, making the LA Riots look like child's play. The National Guard is called into the Top 50 U.S. cities with more to come. Baltimore begins to look like Baghdad, up to a whole "Green Zone" sector.

* A healthy percentage of suburban and rural gun owners refuse to participate and turn in their guns, with local police forces both unwilling and unable to go door-to-door to enforce the order.

* POTUS cites the enabling legislation clause of the 28th Amendment (repealing the 2nd) to nationalize firearms and ammunition makers.

* Citizen partisan organizations evolve to actively fight back against a federal government seen as tyrannical. Even if limited to a small fraction of the population (say half of one percent) that's still 1.5 million resistance fighters. Federal buildings get bombed, judges and legislators are targeted and some killed.

* The federal government loses control of large geographical areas of several red states. Current firearm owners in places like Montana and Idaho have the will, local knowledge, and most importantly the firepower to impose sovereignty. Federal military forces can hold existing bases and other small site federal properties, but not much else.

* Gun violence goes way up, confounding the dreams and aspirations of the progressives who proposed the Amendment in the first place. They urge the POTUS to declare martial law to forcibly stamp out resistance to the 28th Amendment.

* Inner city residents fight back, heeding the call of community leaders to "take the fight outside your own community." Violence and property crimes against upscale whites in gentrified and wealthy areas spike several orders of magnitude. In Chicago, murder rates triple, with almost all the increase being minorities killing whites.

I could go on, but I hopefully now the anti-gun might start seeing the reality of their wet dream fantasy scenario.

I think this is really your wet dream scenario

 

[jackstar7]

Ah, the coming race war. Rarely stated plainly, but the mark of a good gun thread.

 

[Enigmoid]

The US is a cultural melting pot!

AKA crime spills over the Mexican border.

Also crime statistics aren't really comparable between countries. In Japan they won't even open a murder investigation unless they already know who did it. That way they solve 90%+ of murders. Otherwise its determined to be a suicide or whatever. Japan has the Yakuza afterall.

Pretty much this. Living in a border city in Canada a lot of the trouble is spillover from the states.

 

[fskimospy]

I guess you lack the imagination to even think beyond one element of a fantasy scenario, it's only the part you find appealing that you think through.

Let's consider the news articles and posts on ATPN the day after the 2nd Amendment is repealed and all firearms confiscated.

* Ivwshane, Eskimospy, etc. post self-congratulatory threads. Hooray, take that right wing gun nuts!

* Same people feel suddenly safer and convinced the scourge of gun violence will finally end

* Massive police raids occur to sweep firearms from the inner city as they weren't turned in voluntarily by the local drug dealers and gangs. Extreme police brutality results and the residents fight back, making the LA Riots look like child's play. The National Guard is called into the Top 50 U.S. cities with more to come. Baltimore begins to look like Baghdad, up to a whole "Green Zone" sector.

* A healthy percentage of suburban and rural gun owners refuse to participate and turn in their guns, with local police forces both unwilling and unable to go door-to-door to enforce the order.

* POTUS cites the enabling legislation clause of the 28th Amendment (repealing the 2nd) to nationalize firearms and ammunition makers.

* Citizen partisan organizations evolve to actively fight back against a federal government seen as tyrannical. Even if limited to a small fraction of the population (say half of one percent) that's still 1.5 million resistance fighters. Federal buildings get bombed, judges and legislators are targeted and some killed.

* The federal government loses control of large geographical areas of several red states. Current firearm owners in places like Montana and Idaho have the will, local knowledge, and most importantly the firepower to impose sovereignty. Federal military forces can hold existing bases and other small site federal properties, but not much else.

* Gun violence goes way up, confounding the dreams and aspirations of the progressives who proposed the Amendment in the first place. They urge the POTUS to declare martial law to forcibly stamp out resistance to the 28th Amendment.

* Inner city residents fight back, heeding the call of community leaders to "take the fight outside your own community." Violence and property crimes against upscale whites in gentrified and wealthy areas spike several orders of magnitude. In Chicago, murder rates triple, with almost all the increase being minorities killing whites.

I could go on, but I hopefully now the anti-gun might start seeing the reality of their wet dream fantasy scenario.

Oh my god this post is pure golden crazy.

Thank you glenn, this is amazing.

 

[Guurn]

* Massive police raids occur to sweep firearms from the inner city as they weren't turned in voluntarily by the local drug dealers and gangs. Extreme police brutality results and the residents fight back, making the LA Riots look like child's play. The National Guard is called into the Top 50 U.S. cities with more to come. Baltimore begins to look like Baghdad, up to a whole "Green Zone" sector.

I've talked to some police officers and they all have said the same thing, if there is a day that they are asked to do this that will be the day they quit. Most are believers in the 2nd amendment and they also know that doing raids like that would be very dangerous to their well being.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't support banning guns so I guess I just ruined your fantasy, oops!

I guess you lack the imagination to even think beyond one element of a fantasy scenario, it's only the part you find appealing that you think through.

Let's consider the news articles and posts on ATPN the day after the 2nd Amendment is repealed and all firearms confiscated.

* Ivwshane, Eskimospy, etc. post self-congratulatory threads. Hooray, take that right wing gun nuts!

* Same people feel suddenly safer and convinced the scourge of gun violence will finally end

* Massive police raids occur to sweep firearms from the inner city as they weren't turned in voluntarily by the local drug dealers and gangs. Extreme police brutality results and the residents fight back, making the LA Riots look like child's play. The National Guard is called into the Top 50 U.S. cities with more to come. Baltimore begins to look like Baghdad, up to a whole "Green Zone" sector.

* A healthy percentage of suburban and rural gun owners refuse to participate and turn in their guns, with local police forces both unwilling and unable to go door-to-door to enforce the order.

* POTUS cites the enabling legislation clause of the 28th Amendment (repealing the 2nd) to nationalize firearms and ammunition makers.

* Citizen partisan organizations evolve to actively fight back against a federal government seen as tyrannical. Even if limited to a small fraction of the population (say half of one percent) that's still 1.5 million resistance fighters. Federal buildings get bombed, judges and legislators are targeted and some killed.

* The federal government loses control of large geographical areas of several red states. Current firearm owners in places like Montana and Idaho have the will, local knowledge, and most importantly the firepower to impose sovereignty. Federal military forces can hold existing bases and other small site federal properties, but not much else.

* Gun violence goes way up, confounding the dreams and aspirations of the progressives who proposed the Amendment in the first place. They urge the POTUS to declare martial law to forcibly stamp out resistance to the 28th Amendment.

* Inner city residents fight back, heeding the call of community leaders to "take the fight outside your own community." Violence and property crimes against upscale whites in gentrified and wealthy areas spike several orders of magnitude. In Chicago, murder rates triple, with almost all the increase being minorities killing whites.

I could go on, but I hopefully now the anti-gun might start seeing the reality of their wet dream fantasy scenario.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I love the Police are going to confiscate guns and we're all going to revolt fantasies.
First if they know you have one they'll give you a ton of warnings, then some kind of fine if its not paid they put a lean on your house or shut off the water, have fun explaining that to your wife & kids.
They will also outlaw bullets/shells/ammunition
If they decide to arrest you it won't happen at home, they'll enter your plate into a database and you'll be apprehended in you car and impound it for the unpaid fine or they could choose to arrest you at work have fun with that.
Point is this talk about Police being afraid to confront a gun owner is crazy.