In an America with strict gun control....

[jackstar7]

Very interesting article. Rate is currently the lowest its been, and by a not-marginal amount! 50% in the early 80s to 32% 35 years later. I wonder why that is. The pro-gun lobby has gotten stronger. I guess the anti-gun lobby has as well, probably. Really interesting.

You don't think that maybe guns are just less appealing in the marketplace? That seems far more likely than the anti-gun lobby being stronger... based on the reality of no serious legislation existing...

 

[BxgJ]

Wouldn't such a sweeping seizure only come after a rescinding of the 2nd? And at that point, when they don't have Constitutional backing... what then?

Then it's a very different situation. The op seemed to be suggesting a hypothetical situation in which confiscation would be attempted given current conditions. A repeal of the 2nd is not possible now, and if it is at some future time then conditions are of course very different wrt public opinion.

The question about law enforcement goes to another question - if this is attempted the govt needs someone to enforce the new law. What happens when some of those who are supposed to enforce it side against the govt?

 

[OverVolt]

You don't think that maybe guns are just less appealing in the marketplace? That seems far more likely than the anti-gun lobby being stronger... based on the reality of no serious legislation existing...

Probably because they are historically speaking mostly owned by rural hunting, farming, agriculture types. And small farms and rural towns are getting wiped out at a rapid rate.

The ownership rate in cities I'm sure is low. If you have enough land, are remote enough, and have a backdrop like hickok45 you can just have fun in your back yard. Like... what the hell are you going to do with a shotgun without enough space for clay shooting.

 

[IGBT]

gun free zones don't work. every day in the most liberal of liberal cities and states there is endless violence and genocide brought to you by the liberal agenda.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

gun free zones don't work. every day in the most liberal of liberal cities and states there is endless violence and genocide brought to you by the liberal agenda.

Thank God you didn't have to resort to hyperbole to make your point.

 

[cbrunny]

You don't think that maybe guns are just less appealing in the marketplace? That seems far more likely than the anti-gun lobby being stronger... based on the reality of no serious legislation existing...

Oh sure, it could be anything really. I don't know - I'm not in America. Just positing a few thoughts is all.

 

[cbrunny]

gun free zones don't work. every day in the most liberal of liberal cities and states there is endless violence and genocide brought to you by the liberal agenda.

What does that even mean?

 

[FerrelGeek]

It's not your primary weapon against bear, it's the next to last-ditch backup when avoidance or your long gun isn't an option (range is too short, out of reach, jammed, et cetera). And I'd much rather use a .44 magnum revolver against a bear than I would my truly last option, a knife when he's at melee range and trying to bite my face off.

Yep. The guides that take people bow hunting for grizzlies have .44 magnums handy for backup.

 

[ivwshane]

gun free zones don't work. every day in the most liberal of liberal cities and states there is endless violence and genocide brought to you by the liberal agenda.

Since you are pulling shit out of your ass let me reciprocate:

Those liberal cities you are talking about are violent because of conservative perpetrators, therefore the logical thing to do would be to get rid of all conservatives.

/a

That's how stupid your post is.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I see banning Muslims from gun shops didn't work.

So, what next?

Help me out here. Is there any evidence that the shooter yesterday was a Muslim, or are you just being your typical submoronic self?

 

[FerrelGeek]

I do wonder how cop culture would change if they were also not allowed to carry except in SWAT circumstances, alongside the population disarming.

Why don't you ask the cop that was killed by the terrorist that shot up Charlie Hebdo? Oh wait, we can't. He's dead because he had no means to protect himself.

 

[chucky2]

Since you are pulling shit out of your ass let me reciprocate:

Those liberal cities you are talking about are violent because of conservative perpetrators, therefore the logical thing to do would be to get rid of all conservatives.

/a

That's how stupid your post is.

Holy insanity...

 

[FerrelGeek]

I do wonder how cop culture would change if they were also not allowed to carry except in SWAT circumstances, alongside the population disarming.

 

[jackstar7]

Why don't you ask the cop that was killed by the terrorist that shot up Charlie Hebdo? Oh wait, we can't. He's dead because he had no means to protect himself.

So what about the cops shot outisde the city hall who were armed and couldn't defend themselves? I'm thinking of Kirkwood in case you google City Hall shooting and find that Florida result from yesterday...

I guess we can't ask them either.

Your shitty argument is shit.

 

[waggy]

Wouldn't such a sweeping seizure only come after a rescinding of the 2nd? And at that point, when they don't have Constitutional backing... what then?

Only way legally a full ban would happen is if the population voted to resend the 2nd. IF at that point it won't be that bad. since a nearly 3/4th (yeah i know not exact) of the population would be for it.

So at that point i wouldn't have to worry about a leo or the military.

still going to be bloody and nasty. you are still going to have some of the population refusing to give up the guns.

 

[Ertaz]

The problem isn't just guns, but more gun culture. There is an idea that is pushed in this nation that might makes right and that the gun is the ultimate form of might. Terrorist organizations like the NRA push this idea that your gun will protect you from all the wrong in the world and that you should use it often. We won't be able to fix the problem with shootings until we fix the problems with gun nut culture. And the first step to that is to abolish the bigoted terrorist organization known as the NRA.

Please post a link documenting the NRA membership of the mass shooters. I'll hang up and listen.

 

[bozack]

I'm from Oregon. If our gun laws are "strict," then I'm assuming that other states just hand you a gun when you step foot on their soil. Cause it's really not that hard to legally get a gun here.

As far as the idea that there will be a civil war from all the people saying "pry it from my cold dead hands," that's crazy. That sort of rhetoric is the counterpoint to all the liberals screaming that they'd move to Canada if George Bush won the election. You can count on one hand the number who followed through with that promise. And that was simply moving, not fighting a one-man armed insurrection. People talk big, but these are law-abiding citizens; they're not just going to start shooting at the marshals if the law changes.

1. http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2015/05/05/background-expansion-checks-okd/26908717/

Oregon has already expanded background checks to all gun sales, which is basically what the dems are pushing for only nationally, so what in addition to this would have made any tangible difference ....are you talking about current proposed restrictions or some hypothetical that most likely won't fly

2. where did I say there would be a civil war, oh right I didn't...what I am alluding to is that if they do try to perform a sweeping gun confiscation you will see mountains of legal battles, people hiding firearms, and all sorts of stuff to try and subvert the law...the US is a very big place with lots of people and lots of guns out there already

 

[FerrelGeek]

My point was perfectly valid given your original comment. Said cop was not armed and was not part of a SWAT unit, therefor he fit into your statement. And yes, armed cops do get killed. Until you can guarantee the removal of ALL guns, except for military and SWAT units, the bad guys will find ways of getting them.

So what about the cops shot outisde the city hall who were armed and couldn't defend themselves? I'm thinking of Kirkwood in case you google City Hall shooting and find that Florida result from yesterday...

I guess we can't ask them either.

Your shitty argument is shit.

 

[FerrelGeek]

This is why it's hard to have a rational discussion on this topic. Guys like thrash going full-on retard.

The problem isn't just guns, but more gun culture. There is an idea that is pushed in this nation that might makes right and that the gun is the ultimate form of might. Terrorist organizations like the NRA push this idea that your gun will protect you from all the wrong in the world and that you should use it often. We won't be able to fix the problem with shootings until we fix the problems with gun nut culture. And the first step to that is to abolish the bigoted terrorist organization known as the NRA.

 

[WackyDan]

What is a hunting gun? Lots of firearms can be used for hunting. In fact the only firearm that probably wouldn't be use is a handgun. Most rifles could be used to hunt (deer). Same with shotguns(birds).

Even if it did happen, I imagine the criteria would be something like "has a wood stock" for rifles. In which case people would go made a wood stock AR15

Handguns are indeed used for hunting. Typically large bore revolvers.

 

[Ertaz]

Handguns are indeed used for hunting. Typically large bore revolvers.

Pfft, no. It is all semi automatic 9mm, shot at at long range and held sideways. Everyone knows that.

 

[Nebor]

98% of people would quietly and sheepishly turn in their guns. Just look at how it went down in Australia. The remainder would just hide them. Very few people would try to start an actual insurgency, and those people would quickly be caught and arrested due to pervasive monitoring of all forms of communication. The rest would be caught one at a time in their homes, with little chance to prevail against a well-armed, well trained, large number of police\military.

Throw in a campaign in schools that teaches kids to report gun sightings to the authorities and within 2 generations we could virtually do away with guns here.

 

[WackyDan]

es. You can try shooting a bear with a 45, but it won't even slow him down. There was a time when police officers carried something like .32 or .38 pistols, and they were called "widow makers" because they couldn't stop a human. A guy could be charging you with a knife, you shoot him several times, and he's still running at you. A bear is maybe 5x the size of a human, so it should be fairly obvious that a .45 will not stop a bear.

Modern 9mm, .45, and even .38 ammo all have evolved to be far more potent than they once were...on humans. SO yeah, a large caliber handgun is something you'd want for large animals, but any gun is better than none.

 

[Ertaz]

98% of people would quietly and sheepishly turn in their guns.

I disagree. Most gun owners aren't looking for trouble, but will handle trouble if it comes their way.

Just look at how it went down in Australia.

Only %7 of that country owned guns in the 90s. The user base isn't remotely comparable to ours today.

The remainder would just hide them. Very few people would try to start an actual insurgency, and those people would quickly be caught and arrested due to pervasive monitoring of all forms of communication. The rest would be caught one at a time in their homes, with little chance to prevail against a well-armed, well trained, large number of police\military. Throw in a campaign in schools that teaches kids to report gun sightings to the authorities and within 2 generations we could virtually do away with guns here.

The issue here is with volume. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass.

 

[Nebor]

I disagree. Most gun owners aren't looking for trouble, but will handle trouble if it comes their way.




Only %7 of that country owned guns in the 90s. The user base isn't remotely comparable to ours today.



The issue here is with volume. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass.

Australia was the most heavily armed nation on the planet prior to their gun bans. They had 3 guns for every one person.