Question Impact of the new low core count workstation Intel CPUs on Threadrippers?

[Kocicak]

I am wondering if the new Intel offering of XEON W-2400 workstation CPUs (which start at 6 cores for $359 and end with 24 cores for $2200) will force AMD to broaden their Threadripper CPUs offer, I believe that the cheapest available is Threadripper PRO 5955WX 16 core for $1300.

 

[moinmoin]

I doubt AMD will react in any way, they likely will just refer to the existing Ryzen chips instead.

For Intel the workstation chips being available with low amount of cores makes sense since that's now the only way to get AVX-512 as that's eradicated from Intel's consumer chip product range.

 

[Kocicak]

There are people complaining that they cannot get an affordable CPU with larger amount of PCIe lanes or supported memory. They now can get a low core count CPU from Intel from $359, while they need to spend $1300 for an AMD product.

Honestly I believe that there are not many of such consumers and 99% of PC builders can be satisfied with affordable LGA 1700 or AM5 platforms, which now can accomodate 24 or 16 core CPUs.

AMD of course could resign on satisfying this low amount of customers and let them buy Intel CPUs...

 

[nicalandia]

You know there are low core count EPYC processors with 128 Lanes, 12 Channel DDR5, AVX512 And lots of L2$...

The W-24 are restricted to Quad Channel and lower lanes than mainstream Xeons.

 

[Markfw]

There are people complaining that they cannot get an affordable CPU with larger amount of PCIe lanes or supported memory. They now can get a low core count CPU from Intel from $359, while they need to spend $1300 for an AMD product.

Honestly I believe that there are not many of such consumers and 99% of PC builders can be satisfied with affordable LGA 1700 or AM5 platforms, which now can accomodate 24 or 16 core CPUs.

AMD of course could resign on satisfying this low amount of customers and let them buy Intel CPUs...

Or they can buy used EPYC. Here is a 16 core for $114. Of course that would not let you whine about AMD....

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[Kocicak]

You know there are low core count EPYC processors ...

I just checked and there are cheap low core count second gen. Epycs available. Third gen costs approx. 1 grand the cheapest, if I searched correctly.

Another point is if the new motherboards for these new XEONs W-2400 and W-3400 CPUs will not be more consumer friendly than professional workstation boards for SP3.

Boards with sWRX8 socket for Threadrippers are probably more consumer friendly than those SP3 boards for Epycs.

 

[Markfw]

I just checked and there are cheap low core count second gen. Epycs available. Third gen costs approx. 1 grand the cheapest, if I searched correctly.

Another point is if the new motherboards for these new XEONs W-2400 and W-3400 CPUs will not be more consumer friendly than professional workstation boards for SP3.

Boards with sWRX8 socket for Threadrippers are probably more consumer friendly than those SP3 boards for Epycs.

$269. What is unfriendly about this one ?

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[Kocicak]

$269. What is unfriendly about this one ?

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It has no audio outputs, for example. USB IO is also limited. It has only one m.2 slot for an SSD.

 

[gdansk]

The sad part is AMD probably won't even cut prices.

 

[Kocicak]

The sad part is AMD probably won't even cut prices.

It seems that in higher core count CPUs they do not have to, both 16C Intel w5-3435X and w3-2465X are more expensive than 16C Threadripper.

Only the budget low core count Threadrippers do not exist. Question is if it matters.

 

[MrTeal]

Unfortunately the less expensive chips are locked. It's not until you get north of $1k that overclocking becomes available, so if high clock speeds are needed in addition to the PCIe lanes and memory channels, it's still an expensive proposition.

 

[scineram]

Is that a near reticle limit sized silicon for 6 cores?

 

[jpiniero]

Is that a near reticle limit sized silicon for 6 cores?

Yes. Or 3 (of 15) cores x4.

At least the wafers are dirt cheap in isolation.

 

[Mopetar]

Good to see Intel doing something in the space. Low-core count parts like this might be niche, but for the asking price it's pretty nice.

 

[jpiniero]

Good to see Intel doing something in the space. Low-core count parts like this might be niche, but for the asking price it's pretty nice.

Boards are probally going to start at $500+ so it's not as nice as it looks.

 

[gdansk]

$500 for a board like that would not be bad at all.
WRX80 boards are at least $700 on Newegg.

 

[Markfw]

It has no audio outputs, for example. USB IO is also limited. It has only one m.2 slot for an SSD.

You want pcie-lanes ? or sound and usb ports. Consumer has sound and usb, servers have pci-e lanes

 

[Kocicak]

$500 for a board like would not be bad at all.
WRX80 boards are at least $700 on Newegg.

I see one opened box board for that price. They are more like one thousand or even more.

 

[scineram]

You want pcie-lanes ? or sound and usb ports. Consumer has sound and usb, servers have pci-e lanes

Sir this is a workstation thread.

 

[scannall]

I see one opened box board for that price. They are more like one thousand or even more.

New Supermicro board with 2TB memory support is $768. Sonstige Supermicro

 

[Markfw]

Sir this is a workstation thread.

I know. But Kociak wants everything and for cheap. You can get cores and pcie-lanes cheap, or you get a desktop, or you pay for a workstation.(or workstation parts)

 

[controlflow]

Or they can buy used EPYC. Here is a 16 core for $114. Of course that would not let you whine about AMD....

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Less multithreaded throughput than a 12600K 6+4 CPU and terrible 1T performance. Seems like obsolete junk even for that price. Wouldn't recommend wasting time with that.

 

[scineram]

I know. But Kociak wants everything and for cheap. You can get cores and pcie-lanes cheap, or you get a desktop, or you pay for a workstation.(or workstation parts)

I'm not defending their pricing entitlements. But what you say makes no sense. A workstation part should have both. The desktop perks included.
Also did you all catch that no unregistered DIMM for you? Only registered memory supported.👌🤞😎

 

[Kocicak]

New Supermicro board with 2TB memory support is $768. Sonstige Supermicro

Wow, this is a nice looking board. The lack of VRM cooling is a little bit concerning though.

EDIT: The board in this workstation has a VRM heatsink fitted, it may be supplied in the box and just not featured in the product photos.

The picture comes from this review:

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[scannall]

Wow, this is a nice looking board. The lack of VRM cooling is a little bit concerning though.

Eh, fans are cheap. And Supermicro makes solid products.