Immigration, Explained with Gumballs

[Svnla]

Not seeing the correlation, except that you are seeing things one way and everyone else another. I could create an equivalent scenario but I won't because it'd be silly, unless you request it of course.



Yes, some people express their frustration in unhelpful ways, it happens.

I was trying to give a better example than the hiring manager of a start up from previous post.

I don't do troll. That's why I am still engaging with you and ignoring the trolls because even we have our differences, we don't troll each other and I do appreciate it. You did not call me with nasty names and I returned the same favor.

Well, I said what I need to say and I already tried to explain my point(s) multiple times. That's all I can and could do.

Until next time.

 

[ivwshane]

Hey Orisis, do you see the example of "specifically those you feel are beneath you in some way" yet?

What's your problem? Its not like I called you a fucking moron, in fact I specifically said I'm not calling you that.

What are you upset about?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I was trying to give a better example than the hiring manager of a start up from previous post.

I don't do troll. That's why I am still engaging with you and ignoring the trolls because even we have our differences, we don't troll each other and I do appreciate it.

Well, I said what I need to say and I already tried to explain my point(s) multiple times. That's all I can and could do.

Your example from Bob and Joe isn't applicable, and @ivwshane is much closer. Much of the last .. now 9 pages has been you trying to refute the proposed definitions of your own words, and the implied meaning of your statements. From your side, it may appear to be apple vs orange, but from everyone else's in this thread that has responded to you, it's been refutation of logical definitions.

 

[Svnla]

Your example from Bob and Joe isn't applicable, and @ivwshane is much closer. Much of the last .. now 9 pages has been you trying to refute the proposed definitions of your own words, and the implied meaning of your statements. From your side, it may appear to be apple vs orange, but from everyone else's in this thread that has responded to you, it's been refutation of logical definitions.

That's why I said this (more than once) to clarify my points:

I want the best, smart, high skill, business savvy, ability to find the cure for AIDS/cancer, solving problems for human kind such as clean water, healthy foods, clean power, faster internet speed <insert more good stuffs here> (regardless of background/creed/nationality/sex/gender/sexual preference/whatever) people here in the US to help us in the present and future. Period.

See the "regardless of whatever"? Funny how you somehow "missed" that and did not implied/inferred/interpreted. Why is that? Not fitting in your agenda and narrative, eh?

Or, .. because it is not applicable per you? (insert more excuses). LOL.

And if you still think my position has anything to do with eugenic after that statement, then that is your provocative because I won't do..."sorry let me correct that" so my statements would be more suitable/applicable to you and to your choosing.

Anything new you want to add or you want to go on with your same swan song?

 

[First]

^ lol tell us what subpar means again, it was super duper illuminating.

 

[Jhhnn]

What's your problem? Its not like I called you a fucking moron, in fact I specifically said I'm not calling you that.

What are you upset about?

He's in denial about why he feels the way he does. He's in denial that he stands with xenophobes & white authoritarian bigots of the fascist persuasion. He's in denial that throwing out the illegals would be extremely disruptive to this country & to the economy in more than a few places in this country. He's in denial about the effect on American families who have illegal bread winners.

Most of all he's mired in self righteous resentment towards illegals & in going on about the way he thinks it should be & should have been rather than the way it is. We can't change the past. We can only change the future & what he wants for entirely emotional reasons will not serve us constructively at all.

One of the often overlooked truths of the matter is that there's a trade-off between illegal immigration & politico-economic prosperity of our southern neighbors. If we want fewer illegals we need to promote their prosperity. I suspect that life being better there, particularly in Mexico, is why the so-called Mexican Invasion is basically over.

 

[Svnla]

He's in denial about why he feels the way he does. He's in denial that he stands with xenophobes & white authoritarian bigots of the fascist persuasion. He's in denial that throwing out the illegals would be extremely disruptive to this country & to the economy in more than a few places in this country. He's in denial about the effect on American families who have illegal bread winners.

Most of all he's mired in self righteous resentment towards illegals & in going on about the way he thinks it should be & should have been rather than the way it is. We can't change the past. We can only change the future & what he wants for entirely emotional reasons will not serve us constructively at all.

One of the often overlooked truths of the matter is that there's a trade-off between illegal immigration & politico-economic prosperity of our southern neighbors. If we want fewer illegals we need to promote their prosperity. I suspect that life being better there, particularly in Mexico, is why the so-called Mexican Invasion is basically over.

Hummm...since when wanting EVERYONE to follow immigration rules and laws EQUALLY, no exception = xenophobic and bigotry?

As I said in another thread, let apply immigration rules and laws equally to ALL. No exception.

You would agree, right? Because liberals love to boast about equality and justice and all the feel good slogans. Don't want to be a hypocrite, right?

Must be from the new dictionary for SJWs.

Can't dispute the message, attack the messengers to silent them into submission.

Good luck.

 

[Svnla]

^ lol tell us what subpar means again, it was super duper illuminating.

Yes, do tell us where do you get those special rose colored glasses that you were able to see things and words that were not there at all? Ain't you special. Rainbow, unicorn and all.

 

[First]

dp

 

[First]

Yes, do tell us where do you get those special rose colored glasses that you were able to see things and words that were not there at all? Ain't you special. Rainbow, unicorn and all.

Oh so poll ATPN to see if they don't think "can't read and right" is the same as subpar. Aw you won't? Predictable wimpout.

 

[Amused]

https://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/04/doctor_doom_eric_pianka_receiv/

These people are everywhere. More disturbingly is how they are celebrated, applauded, yet ignored by the masses.

When I say these people are everywhere, I mean exactly that. They run everything. They run the FDA. The FDA says you need 300g of carbs and no more than 65g of fat. That is a literal recipe for death and it is massacring people by the millions. 300g of carbs a day is a death sentence for millions. The cost of diabetes exceeds $1 trillion a year. You can argue that they are simply misinformed, but such is an argument of ignorance. You can go through every major institution and find this same thing. Run by people who are either misinformed or acting with malice. At this point it is more practical to assume it is malice.

Good gawd man. You post a completely fabricated conspiracy from a conspiracy site run by a the pseudo scientific creation theory Discovery Institute and expect to be taken seriously? Have you no capacity for critical thought or logic at all? Or is your thought process simply one confirmation bias after another?

You may as well have gone to TBN or the Trinity Network or Infowars as a source. FFS.

You're on a message board with intelligent, critical thinkers. Fairy tales and conspiracy theories won't cause a single eyelash to bat here. Maybe you should go to a conspiracy site or David Wolfe or maybe Naturalnews or (mis)Infowars? You'll be less likely to be regarded as a complete fool there.

 

[Svnla]

^ Poll ATPN to see if they don't think "can't read and right" is the same as subpar. Aw you won't? Predictable wimpout.

So you throw out accusation and unable to provide the evidence when being called out and that is your answer?

I believe the burden of proof is on the accuser.

Talk about pussying out. So limp and all. LOL.

Goodness. So this is the new rule of debate in ATTPN now? Throwing everything under the sun, even the kitchen sink, to your opponent then wimp out and say "why don't you poll this and that" to save face?

 

[Jhhnn]

Hummm...since when wanting EVERYONE to follow immigration rules and laws EQUALLY, no exception = xenophobic and bigotry?



Must be from the new dictionary for SJWs.

Can't dispute the message, attack the messengers to silent them into submission.

Good luck.

So, uhh, who stands with you in this irrational hatred of illegals, other than xenophobes & bigots? Are you enjoying their company?

 

[Svnla]

So, uhh, who stands with you in this irrational hatred of illegals, other than xenophobes & bigots? Are you enjoying their company?

Are you sure?

You mean this guy? LOL.

"Whaaaaa...why he is so full of hate of those "undocumented"..why did he deport several million of them..why..oh why" (sarcastic)

In some ways, Trump's proposal follows what President Barack Obama's administration has been doing. According to Politifact, DHS statistics show there have been more than 2.4 million "removals" under Obama between fiscal years 2009 and 2014, a record number of deportations when compared with previous presidents. (Those figures led the National Council of La Raza to dub Obama the "deporter-in-chief," a nickname other critics of his deportation policy have used.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...documented-immigrants/?utm_term=.951ed2bf71d1

Again, show me how wanting everyone to follow immigration rules and laws = irrational hatred.

I will wait. Take your time.

 

[Meghan54]

And yet Obama never advocated for the mass removal of anyone, illegal immigrants or otherwise, like you have been doing for page upon page.

 

[Amused]

Are you sure?

You mean this guy? LOL.

"Whaaaaa...why he is so full of hate of those "undocumented"..why did he deport several million of them..why..oh why" (sarcastic)



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...documented-immigrants/?utm_term=.951ed2bf71d1

Again, show me how wanting everyone to follow immigration rules and laws = irrational hatred.

I will wait. Take your time.

Wow. Talk about cherry picking. Why not look at the individual policies?

The Priority Enforcement Program, or PEP, which was ordered by Obama and announced in the form of a memo from then-Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson. PEP gave local law enforcement officers broad discretion when it came to reporting someone in custody to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and told immigration officials to stand down on deporting a criminal alien because his or her criminal history was still minimal.

Under PEP, those with multiple misdemeanors were treated as a second priority to gang members and those convicted of a felony, and the policy encouraged officials to consider "humanitarian" issues when deciding whether to deport an illegal immigrant.

Specifically, PEP created three enforcement tiers. The first priority were immigrants convicted of a felon, or those suspected of terrorism or espionage. But even then, it said deportation of this group of aliens was "prioritized" unless officials decided there were reasons to let them stay.

Immigrants convicted of three misdemeanors, or major misdemeanors including drug trafficking were put in the second tier priority for removal. A third tier included those who were ordered to leave the country after 2013, but Obama's DHS made it clear that these people were not priorities for removal.

Trump's executive order changed all that, by removing the tier system and saying priorities are any illegal immigrant who has had any scrape with the law. Trump's order effectively eliminates the wiggle room officials could use to avoid deportations, which was a major theme of the Obama-era policy.

Section 5 of Trump's order holds that as DHS "faithfully" executes U.S. immigration laws, it "shall prioritize for removal those aliens described by Congress" in various parts of the Immigration and Nationality Act. It also specifies six distinct categories of immigrant subject to removal.

They are immigrants who have: been convicted of any criminal offense; been charged with any criminal offense; committed acts constituting a chargeable criminal offense; engaged in fraud against the government; abused U.S. public benefits; been subject to a final removal order.

The order also creates a seventh category that does give immigration officials some discretion, but it's the discretion to make their own call to remove someone, instead of Obama's discretion aimed at keeping people in the country. It says anyone can be subject to deportation if an immigration officer judges that they "pose a risk to public safety or national security."

 

[theeedude]

The H1B reform (only allowing the highest skilled and highest paid) is going to be a disaster for flyover country businesses who lag behind coastal ones on the pay scale.

 

[First]

So you throw out accusation and unable to provide the evidence when being called out and that is your answer?

I believe the burden of proof is on the accuser.

Talk about pussying out. So limp and all. LOL.

Goodness. So this is the new rule of debate in ATTPN now? Throwing everything under the sun, even the kitchen sink, to your opponent then wimp out and say "why don't you poll this and that" to save face?

Haha, that was a whole lot of words to avoid admitting you keeping pussying out of posting a poll on ATPN to ask them if they think subpar accurately characterizes "can't read and write". Notice no one coming to your defense.

 

[agent00f]

Libya 83
Oman 83
Syria 83
Tunisia 83
India 82
Lebanon 82
Zimbabwe 82
Nicaragua 81
Barbados 80
Bhutan 80
Kenya 80
Guatemala 79
Qatar 78
Congo 76
Sudan 71
Botswana 70
Rwanda 70
Ethiopia 69
Niger 69
Angola 68
Somalia 68
Haiti 67


This is based on the work of Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen. You can read all about their methodologies, assuming you are smart enough to know how to use google.

You've likely read about the flynn effect and apparently not smart enough to understand it, which is pretty typical of the lowest edu/iq westerners.

Also worth pointing out the answer to that previous question of whether anyone has ever seen Svnla learn/figure/etc anything should be more than obvious. In fact it's hard to see that ever happening.

 

[Svnla]

Haha, that was a whole lot of words to avoid admitting you keeping pussying out of posting a poll on ATPN to ask them if they think subpar accurately characterizes "can't read and write". Notice no one coming to your defense.

Want short and sweet?

the burden of proof is on the accuser.

a) Yes
b) No

 

[Victorian Gray]

Well, you linked a nice hit piece in an anti evolution/pro "intelligent design" front for the Discovery Institute and a diatribe about carbs. No answer to my question though. Thanks anyway.

https://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/04/doctor_doom_eric_pianka_receiv/

These people are everywhere. More disturbingly is how they are celebrated, applauded, yet ignored by the masses.

When I say these people are everywhere, I mean exactly that. They run everything. They run the FDA. The FDA says you need 300g of carbs and no more than 65g of fat. That is a literal recipe for death and it is massacring people by the millions. 300g of carbs a day is a death sentence for millions. The cost of diabetes exceeds $1 trillion a year. You can argue that they are simply misinformed, but such is an argument of ignorance. You can go through every major institution and find this same thing. Run by people who are either misinformed or acting with malice. At this point it is more practical to assume it is malice.

 

[agent00f]

Well, you linked a nice hit piece in an anti evolution/pro "intelligent design" front for the Discovery Institute and a diatribe about carbs. No answer to my question though. Thanks anyway.

He's the Real brain trust along with this one:

Want short and sweet?

a) Yes
b) No

No wonder them libtards can't grasp the work of genius behind keeping things as backwards as possible.

 

[First]

Want short and sweet?



a) Yes
b) No

lulz wimpout #324.

 

[Svnla]

lulz wimpout #324.

^^^ Would not dare to give a simple "yes" or "no" answer. What's the matter sweet cake? Not short enough for you? Talk about huge pussying out. ROTFLMAO.

Oh, gotta love it when you said "Notice no one coming to your defense". Say what?

I am my own man and I would fight my own battle with facts, logic, and links from well know sources to back up my assertions. I do not need anyone to back me up because I am not a special snowflake SJW. Did you get your mommy permission to post here just in case she has to come in and back you up?

Keep digging.

 

[zinfamous]

Exactly. Just as I thought.



And how many time I tried to explain to you guys my position and point of view and what I meant?

Here it is again, in my OWN words:



"Eugenics" my butt.

And you were saying something about "a) willfully ignorant or b) rejecting the premise of what anyone's been saying to you". Uh huh.

Edit: So look like "smart" is a bad word to use around you guys now. I better ask for permission to use it from now on. Don't want you guys to be butthurt and cry about it too much. LOL.

Thank you for playing.

wow...you are, quite truly, a simple thinker.

The only thing anyone has ever said is that you are supporting eugenics through your statements, through your... "policy." It matters tit-all if you understand what you are saying or not--you never do, btw--but your end goal is the same. You are such a binary fucking thinker: "I never said the exact words! HAHAHAH I ARE TeH SMART!"

grow the fuck up man, read a book or something. expand your mind, ffs.