Immigration, Explained with Gumballs

[Jhhnn]

Svnla's problem is that he covets the success & lives that illegals have created for themselves, wishes his extended family from SE Asia could do the same. So if his people can't have it then nobody can have it. They are, however, geographically disadvantaged so they have to put up with our extremely cumbersome immigration methods & policies because the people he sides with don't want more of "his kind" in this country any more than they want latinos. They're all undesirables out in the oh so White hinterlands.

 

[Svnla]

Svnla's problem is that he covets the success & lives that illegals have created for themselves, wishes his extended family from SE Asia could do the same. So if his people can't have it then nobody can have it. They are, however, geographically disadvantaged so they have to put up with our extremely cumbersome immigration methods & policies because the people he sides with don't want more of "his kind" in this country any more than they want latinos. They're all undesirables out in the oh so White hinterlands.

Covets the success? You mean this one? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ong-island-quadruple-murder-article-1.3051319

And this? http://cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/poverty.html

and http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/04/14/a-portrait-of-unauthorized-immigrants-in-the-united-states/

Shall I go on? You were saying something about success?

Oh, so now I am from SE Asia? What I am now per you? From Philippines? Laos? Cambodia? Vietnam? Malaysia? Singapore? Indonesia? Go ahead and make a fool out of yourself.

Again, what my background/ethic/race have anything to do with wanting EVERYONE to follow the rules and laws EQUALLY without exception? Still no answer from you then and no answer from you now.

Keep digging.

 

[Jhhnn]

Covets the success? You mean this one? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ong-island-quadruple-murder-article-1.3051319

And this? http://cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/poverty.html

and http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/04/14/a-portrait-of-unauthorized-immigrants-in-the-united-states/

Shall I go on? You were saying something about success?

Oh, so now I am from SE Asia? What I am now per you? From Philippines? Laos? Cambodia? Vietnam? Malaysia? Singapore? Indonesia? Go ahead and make a fool out of yourself.

Again, what my background/ethic/race have anything to do with wanting EVERYONE to follow the rules and laws EQUALLY without exception? Still no answer from you then and no answer from you now.

Keep digging.

Please. You've made your sympathies & family origins obvious in other threads, particularly wrt the Spratlys & the Paracels. I have no issues with that, at all.

You're choking on envy & spite for people who simply had better opportunities to come to this great country & took them. Nobody said it was fair, only that it's real, that evicting all the illegals in America is basically impossible & would pretty much require something like the Gestapo in many parts of the country. That's 10% of the population in greater LA, 1M people, for example. 2/3 have been here more than 10 years & are often breadwinners for American families. If most of us felt he way you do we would have started out on this Crusade you want long ago & would never have let it get to be what it is.

It's already gone too far for anything but some kind of amnesty to be a workable solution. If we want to increase border security to reduce more of the same in the future I really don't have a problem with that. Not that we actually need that, given that net migration across our southern border is now negative but if it'll make you feel better then OK.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It is ironic that he does a presentation using gumballs but never mentions food. The only reason the world has all those "gumballs" is because of private ownership of capital. Socialized capital never produces the excess returns necessary to feed all those people. If you bring in enough low IQ immigrants from low IQ nations into 1st world nations, they will invariably vote to curtail private ownership of capital. (Either through outright confiscation, or indirect confiscation via higher taxation.) If the entire world's food production were to become socialized, we'd have a mass dieoff because there wouldnt be the same incentive to produce. I guess that is what some people want....

what/where is exactly a 'low IQ nation'?

 

[brycejones]

what/where is exactly a 'low IQ nation'?

LOL I missed that gem. SM625 can you give us some examples of low IQ nations backed up with scientific evidence proving it?

 

[ivwshane]

LOL I missed that gem. SM625 can you give us some examples of low IQ nations backed up with scientific evidence proving it?

I'd say any nation that has a majority population that doesn't believe in climate change, or who would have a population big enough to vote for George Bush a second time or who would allow trump to be president.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'd say any nation that has a majority population that doesn't believe in climate change, or who would have a population big enough to vote for George Bush a second time or who would allow trump to be president.

hard to argue against any of those points.

 

[Jhhnn]

what/where is exactly a 'low IQ nation'?

Muricuh, obviously.

 

[zinfamous]

I'd say any nation that has a majority population that doesn't believe in climate change, or who would have a population big enough to vote for George Bush a second time or who would allow trump to be president.

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OH, I GET IT!

 

[Svnla]

Please. You've made your sympathies & family origins obvious in other threads, particularly wrt the Spratlys & the Paracels. I have no issues with that, at all.

You're choking on envy & spite for people who simply had better opportunities to come to this great country & took them. Nobody said it was fair, only that it's real, that evicting all the illegals in America is basically impossible & would pretty much require something like the Gestapo in many parts of the country. That's 10% of the population in greater LA, 1M people, for example. 2/3 have been here more than 10 years & are often breadwinners for American families. If most of us felt he way you do we would have started out on this Crusade you want long ago & would never have let it get to be what it is.

It's already gone too far for anything but some kind of amnesty to be a workable solution. If we want to increase border security to reduce more of the same in the future I really don't have a problem with that. Not that we actually need that, given that net migration across our southern border is now negative but if it'll make you feel better then OK.

You have no issue of whatever my race/ethnicity/background is (or so you claimed) yet you brought it up repeatedly. You pulled the same stunt before in another thread and I am sure you will do it again. Why? Diversion, deflect, deflection full speed ahead. My background has nothing to do with wanting everyone to follow the rules and laws. Is that hard to understand? I think not.

Again, envy with what? See the links I posted above about MS-13 and poverty and such? Envy with what? Envy with criminals and living in poverty? LOL.

On a side note, that's how I debate. I dispute a poster's statement then I provide links from well know sources to back up my assertion. Too bad my opponents could not do the same.

Do you have anything new to say because you sang the same tired song before and you are doing it again. ILLEGALS are here so let give them break while completely ignore my assertion that EVERYONE should follow the rules and laws EQUALLY. Let do more of this - https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...1_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.22a48465b8db

Why bother to have rules and laws if we just let million and million of ILLEGALS to get away with it for years and years and then reward their bad behavior with more rewards. Way to go. Not.

So much for liberals to claim "justice", "fairness", "equality" and all the feel good slogans. More about "do as we say and not as we do".

 

[agent00f]

lol. you clearly don't know what hypocrite means. Repeating the same stupid behavior, especially after admitting that I will invariably do it again, does not make me a hypocrite. It makes me a fool. You really do suck at this, you know?

You know what makes someone a hypocrite? Spending a dozen or so forum pages ignoring rebuttals to their arguments, demanding that others "respond properly" ...then turn around and do the very same when presented with an uncomfortable challenge.

Yes, we all know that your signature was born from the mind of an overly self-conscious 12 year-old that has and will continue to live their lives in perpetual victim mode. Grow the fuck up.

Still unconvinced it's not among the most degenerate imbeciles you've ever had to witness in a worthy field of candidates?

 

[sm625]

LOL I missed that gem. SM625 can you give us some examples of low IQ nations backed up with scientific evidence proving it?

Libya 83
Oman 83
Syria 83
Tunisia 83
India 82
Lebanon 82
Zimbabwe 82
Nicaragua 81
Barbados 80
Bhutan 80
Kenya 80
Guatemala 79
Qatar 78
Congo 76
Sudan 71
Botswana 70
Rwanda 70
Ethiopia 69
Niger 69
Angola 68
Somalia 68
Haiti 67


This is based on the work of Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen. You can read all about their methodologies, assuming you are smart enough to know how to use google.

 

[brycejones]

Interesting you actually believe that entire countries would be considered functionally retarded by the Supreme Court based on their rulings in death penalty cases?

Looks like the basis is a book and not something that has actually been peer reviewed or is even remotely a scientific consensus.

But I can see how the idea would appeal to you.

 

[sm625]

Who are these people? Got some names and maybe why they want this?

https://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/04/doctor_doom_eric_pianka_receiv/

These people are everywhere. More disturbingly is how they are celebrated, applauded, yet ignored by the masses.

When I say these people are everywhere, I mean exactly that. They run everything. They run the FDA. The FDA says you need 300g of carbs and no more than 65g of fat. That is a literal recipe for death and it is massacring people by the millions. 300g of carbs a day is a death sentence for millions. The cost of diabetes exceeds $1 trillion a year. You can argue that they are simply misinformed, but such is an argument of ignorance. You can go through every major institution and find this same thing. Run by people who are either misinformed or acting with malice. At this point it is more practical to assume it is malice.

 

[sm625]

Interesting you actually believe that entire countries would be considered functionally retarded by the Supreme Court based on their rulings in death penalty cases?

Looks like the basis is a book and not something that has actually been peer reviewed or is even remotely a scientific consensus.

But I can see how the idea would appeal to you.

You would fit right in in any of those countries.

 

[brycejones]

You would fit right in in any of those countries.

Just because you are easily fooled by pseudo science doesn't mean the rest of us are.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I am all for LEGAL immigration as long as we pick and choose the best for the future of the US, ie. smart ones such as Elon Mush (LEGAL immigrant), Andy Groove (LEGAL immigrant), Sergey Brin (LEGAL immigrant).

Do you have anything new to say because you sang the same tired song before and you are doing it again. ILLEGALS are here so let give them break while completely ignore my assertion that EVERYONE should follow the rules and laws EQUALLY. So much for liberals to claim "justice", "fairness", "equality" and all the feel good slogans. More about "do as we say and not as we do".

But should only be permitted in if they're 'smart', right? Where's the equality there? You want everyone to follow the rules equally, but only pick the 'best and brightest'?

 

[Svnla]

But should only be permitted in if they're 'smart', right? Where's the equality there? You want everyone to follow the rules equally, but only pick the 'best and brightest'?

Do you know anything about immigration process? Do you know that everyone should follow the protocols and processes to get here the LEGAL way? No one should sneak in here ILLEGALLY or overstay their visas and then demand amnesty.

Do I make myself clear to you or you are going to continue with your swan song about "eugenics" in which I never said?

Funny how you and others would not dare to quote this from me:

I want the best, smart, high skill, business savvy, ability to find the cure for AIDS/cancer, solving problems for human kind such as clean water, healthy foods, clean power, faster internet speed <insert more good stuffs here> (regardless of background/creed/nationality/sex/gender/sexual preference/whatever) people here in the US to help us in the present and future. Period.

Wouldn't want to do that because it would not fit to your agenda and narrative, eh?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Do you know anything about immigration process? Do you know that everyone should follow the protocols and processes to get here the LEGAL way? No one should sneak in here ILLEGALLY or overstay their visas and then demand amnesty.

Do I make myself clear to you or you are going to continue with your song about "eugenics" in which I never said?

Funny how you and others would not dare to quote this from me:



Wouldn't want to do that because it would not fit to your agenda and narrative, eh?

Of course I know about the process, and yes I feel everyone should follow it, it's the law after all. I also feel that anyone who follows that should be let in, because fair is fair. Do you refute that you said in one statement that we should only let in certain people, while mandating that everyone follow the rules? Do you refute that this is unfair?

That quote still uses 'smart', so i'd quote it if it mattered. It's using the same wording as your original quote though (including the word smart) thus doesn't change anything about the delivered message nor my original argument (that intelligence should not be a determining factor on immigration policy).

 

[Svnla]

Of course I know about the process, and yes I feel everyone should follow it, it's the law after all. I also feel that anyone who follows that should be let in, because fair is fair. Do you refute that you said in one statement that we should only let in certain people, while mandating that everyone follow the rules? Do you refute that this is unfair?

That quote still uses 'smart', so i'd quote it if it mattered. It's using the same wording as your original quote though (including the word smart) thus doesn't change anything about the delivered message nor my original argument (that intelligence should not be a determining factor on immigration policy).

I am not going in a circle with you again. I said what I need to say. I never said anything about "eugenics" as you claimed multiple times (expressed or implied because if I did, you or anyone would be able to quote my words already and so far, none of you are able to do so that I ever said such thing).

Unless you have anything new to say, we are done here because we are at a Mexican standoff.

Oh no, I better say "stalemate" or someone would be offense and cry about it and this thread will go on for another 20 pages.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I am not going in a circle with you again. I said what I need to say. I never said anything about "eugenics" as you claimed multiple times (expressed or implied because if I did, you or anyone would be able to quote my words already and so far, none of you are able to do so).

Unless you have anything new to say, we are done here because we are at a Mexican standoff.

Oh no, I better say "stalemate" or someone would be offense and cry about it and this thread will go on for another 20 pages.

No, you were quoted about 3 dozen times. You've just either a) willfully ignorant or b) rejecting the premise of what anyone's been saying to you. Either way, you are correct that there's nothing new to say.

Also, you don't need to end every. single. post. with some kind of jab, quip, or rag on people being snowflakes, offended, or otherwise butthurt by what you said. We get it, you think you're above others, and you think others are just whiny liberals more concerned with letting freedom ring than advancing our country. It's not furthering your case.

 

[Svnla]

No, you were quoted about 3 dozen times. You've just either a) willfully ignorant or b) rejecting the premise of what anyone's been saying to you. Either way, you are correct that there's nothing new to say.

Also, you don't need to end every. single. post. with some kind of jab, quip, or rag on people being snowflakes, offended, or otherwise butthurt by what you said. We get it, you think you're above others, and you think others are just whiny liberals more concerned with letting freedom ring than advancing our country. It's not furthering your case.

Where is "eugenics" ever in any of my post..in my own words, not from what you and others think. Post it RIGHT NOW!!!

I will wait.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Where is "eugenics" ever in any of my post..in my own words, not from what you and others think. Post it RIGHT NOW!!!

I will wait.

Again, this is going back to you being willfully ignorant or rejecting the premise that restricting immigration based on intelligence is eugenics. You never stated 'I, Svnla, support eugenics'. It's derived from your statements. This isn't unusual btw, humans are not binary machines, and language isn't always clear.

 

[Svnla]

Again, this is going back to you being willfully ignorant or rejecting the premise that restricting immigration based on intelligence is eugenics. You never stated 'I, Svnla, support eugenics'. It's derived from your statements. This isn't unusual btw, humans are not binary machines, and language isn't always clear.

Exactly. Just as I thought.

Where is "eugenics" ever in any of my post..in my own words, not from what you and others think.

And how many time I tried to explain to you guys my position and point of view and what I meant?

Here it is again, in my OWN words:

I want the best, smart, high skill, business savvy, ability to find the cure for AIDS/cancer, solving problems for human kind such as clean water, healthy foods, clean power, faster internet speed <insert more good stuffs here> (regardless of background/creed/nationality/sex/gender/sexual preference/whatever) people here in the US to help us in the present and future. Period.

"Eugenics" my butt.

And you were saying something about "a) willfully ignorant or b) rejecting the premise of what anyone's been saying to you". Uh huh.

Edit: So look like "smart" is a bad word to use around you guys now. I better ask for permission to use it from now on. Don't want you guys to be butthurt and cry about it too much. LOL.

Thank you for playing.

 

[brycejones]

Where is "eugenics" ever in any of my post..in my own words, not from what you and others think. Post it RIGHT NOW!!!

I will wait.

Says things that meet the definition of eugenics but claims it isn't eugenics.

Lol this has been an interesting exchange to watch.