Immigrants Boycott

[babylon5]

What is it about my argument not factual? Please explain.

Glad to hear at least you acknowledge illegals are a problem. At this point, I might agree with you it's not realistic to punish these people already here because of greedy business interest in US that would like to pay low wages so they can get rich. We should probably throw business owners who hire illegals in jail to stop the demand.

Some poll shows that some americans want those already here a way to become illegal, but also our border secure instead of keep letting anyone in. Otherwise, this problem will be none stop forever.

 

[AmerDoux]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Actually, many break the law twice. First by entering without proper documentation (the 14th amendment says 1st offense misdemeanor, 2nd offense felony), but then getting false SS cards, fake ID, etc is also a federal offense. Not not mention fraud.
[/quote]

They also use those fake ID's and SSN's to work and with them they also pay all applicable taxes. So if you look at that fact, even though it is done illegally, they support our economic system better than natural born american citizens who sit on their arses collecting welfare.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: babylon5
What is it about my argument not factual? Please explain.

Glad to hear at least you acknowledge illegals are a problem. At this point, I might agree with you it's not realistic to punish these people already here because of greedy business interest in US that would like to pay low wages so they can get rich. We should probably throw business owners who hire illegals in jail to stop the demand.

Some poll shows that some americans want those already here a way to become illegal, but also our border secure instead of keep letting anyone in. Otherwise, this problem will be none stop forever.

I was searching for a word and factual wasn't a good enough word. You will have to be patient with me I am a little sun whipped from being out protesting all day.

<<<born right here in Sacramento, CA.

reasonable is probably a better word.

I underlined the portion of your thread where I believe most of the hate towards illegals can be better.....directed. Do I know the answer to our corporate labor demands? NO...but why aren't we looking there?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: OrByte
Illegals are not criminals.

They have broken the law....only by trying to find a better life for themselves and their families.

does that constitute a crime punishable by a federal felony?

Yes, it does.

I disagree. Illegal immigration is a problem, but new laws are not the solution. Only thing the house bill is going to do is make people more afraid to help and aid people crossing into the country. That is going to lead to more men, women, and children dead out in the deserts.

Not the solution. Creating new laws to penalize these people (illegals and those helping illegals) any further is a mistake.

The solution is advanced guard towers and ion cannons at the borders.

yeah that is a well thought out and rational answer :roll:

Please have your sarcasm meter checked...its clearly not functioning

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: OrByte
Illegals are not criminals.

They have broken the law....only by trying to find a better life for themselves and their families.

does that constitute a crime punishable by a federal felony?

Yes, it does.

I disagree. Illegal immigration is a problem, but new laws are not the solution. Only thing the house bill is going to do is make people more afraid to help and aid people crossing into the country. That is going to lead to more men, women, and children dead out in the deserts.

Not the solution. Creating new laws to penalize these people (illegals and those helping illegals) any further is a mistake.

The solution is advanced guard towers and ion cannons at the borders.

yeah that is a well thought out and rational answer :roll:

Please have your sarcasm meter checked...its clearly not functioning

I will, thanks!

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: OrByte
Illegals are not criminals.

They have broken the law....only by trying to find a better life for themselves and their families.

does that constitute a crime punishable by a federal felony?

Yes, it does.

I disagree. Illegal immigration is a problem, but new laws are not the solution. Only thing the house bill is going to do is make people more afraid to help and aid people crossing into the country. That is going to lead to more men, women, and children dead out in the deserts.

Not the solution. Creating new laws to penalize these people (illegals and those helping illegals) any further is a mistake.

Sounds like a damn fine solution to me.
I suppose you also support theives, rapists and murderers.
After all, their just trying to make their lives better.....

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: OrByte
Illegals are not criminals.

They have broken the law....only by trying to find a better life for themselves and their families.

does that constitute a crime punishable by a federal felony?

Yes, it does.

I disagree. Illegal immigration is a problem, but new laws are not the solution. Only thing the house bill is going to do is make people more afraid to help and aid people crossing into the country. That is going to lead to more men, women, and children dead out in the deserts.

Not the solution. Creating new laws to penalize these people (illegals and those helping illegals) any further is a mistake.

Sounds like a damn fine solution to me.
I suppose you also support theives, rapists and murderers.
After all, their just trying to make their lives better.....

I'm sorry, this is an illegal immigration thread not another New Orleans thread?

There are just as many born and bred American thieves, rapists, and murderers. Try not to let your bigotry cloud your perceptions.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: OrByte
Illegals are not criminals.

They have broken the law....only by trying to find a better life for themselves and their families.

does that constitute a crime punishable by a federal felony?

Yes, it does.

I disagree. Illegal immigration is a problem, but new laws are not the solution. Only thing the house bill is going to do is make people more afraid to help and aid people crossing into the country. That is going to lead to more men, women, and children dead out in the deserts.

Not the solution. Creating new laws to penalize these people (illegals and those helping illegals) any further is a mistake.

Sounds like a damn fine solution to me.
I suppose you also support theives, rapists and murderers.
After all, their just trying to make their lives better.....

I'm sorry, this is an illegal immigration thread not another New Orleans thread?

There are just as many born and bred American thieves, rapists, and murderers. Try not to let your bigotry cloud your perceptions.

Your right, I certainly wont deny we have our fair share of criminals.
Which makes me wonder why we need to import more. We dont have a shortage of our own criminals.

And by the way, I like my bigotry. It goes well with ice cream

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: OrByte
Illegals are not criminals.

They have broken the law....only by trying to find a better life for themselves and their families.

does that constitute a crime punishable by a federal felony?

Yes, it does.

I disagree. Illegal immigration is a problem, but new laws are not the solution. Only thing the house bill is going to do is make people more afraid to help and aid people crossing into the country. That is going to lead to more men, women, and children dead out in the deserts.

Not the solution. Creating new laws to penalize these people (illegals and those helping illegals) any further is a mistake.

Sounds like a damn fine solution to me.
I suppose you also support theives, rapists and murderers.
After all, their just trying to make their lives better.....

I'm sorry, this is an illegal immigration thread not another New Orleans thread?

There are just as many born and bred American thieves, rapists, and murderers. Try not to let your bigotry cloud your perceptions.

Your right, I certainly wont deny we have our fair share of criminals.
Which makes me wonder why we need to import more. We dont have a shortage of our own criminals.

And by the way, I like my bigotry. It goes well with ice cream

So then, you understand that even though illegals may have their share of bad apples (much like us as Americans have our share) then you also understand that the majority of these illegals are as simple and as nice as you.

I hope you are enjoying your ice cream.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: OrByte
So then, you understand that even though illegals may have their share of bad apples (much like us as Americans have our share) then you also understand that the majority of these illegals are as simple and as nice as you.

I hope you are enjoying your ice cream.

Absolutely! And I encourage and wish best of luck to anyone who comes here legally. We're not discussing legal immigration though.

And thank you, the ice cream was really good. Vanilla with chocolate, nothing fancy.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Actually, many break the law twice. First by entering without proper documentation (the 14th amendment says 1st offense misdemeanor, 2nd offense felony), but then getting false SS cards, fake ID, etc is also a federal offense. Not not mention fraud.

They also use those fake ID's and SSN's to work and with them they also pay all applicable taxes. So if you look at that fact, even though it is done illegally, they support our economic system better than natural born american citizens who sit on their arses collecting welfare.[/quote]

Unfortunately you are incorrect. They never actually pay into the system, because they dont have valid SSN's. Then you run into the problem WA state is having by now needing to repay $75 mill to the fed...money used via Medicare for illegal or undocumented people. So no. They dont pay taxes.

And if you think so many illegal's are hard at work, you obviously have never been to Phoenix. I think it is unfair to say all they are trying to do is come here and work hard. BS. Many come here for a free handout. If an American cant survive on 5 bucks/hour, how can an illegal immigrant? They get handouts that are paid for by US citizens.

 

[AmerDoux]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Actually, many break the law twice. First by entering without proper documentation (the 14th amendment says 1st offense misdemeanor, 2nd offense felony), but then getting false SS cards, fake ID, etc is also a federal offense. Not not mention fraud.

They also use those fake ID's and SSN's to work and with them they also pay all applicable taxes. So if you look at that fact, even though it is done illegally, they support our economic system better than natural born american citizens who sit on their arses collecting welfare.

Unfortunately you are incorrect. They never actually pay into the system, because they dont have valid SSN's. Then you run into the problem WA state is having by now needing to repay $75 mill to the fed...money used via Medicare for illegal or undocumented people. So no. They dont pay taxes.

And if you think so many illegal's are hard at work, you obviously have never been to Phoenix. I think it is unfair to say all they are trying to do is come here and work hard. BS. Many come here for a free handout. If an American cant survive on 5 bucks/hour, how can an illegal immigrant? They get handouts that are paid for by US citizens.[/quote]

Illegal Immigrants Are Adding To Social Security With Billions
Jim Wilson/The New York Times
By EDUARDO PORTER
Published: April 5, 2005
New York Times

/Excerpt
Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

IRCA, as the immigration act is known, did little to deter employers from hiring illegal immigrants or to discourage them from working. But for Social Security's finances, it was a great piece of legislation.

Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect - sometimes simply fictitious - Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.
Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.
End Excerpt/

Illegal immigrants paying taxes as example of good citizenship

Tax time is for everyone, including illegal immigrants

Tax Laws Protect Illegal Workers

/Excerpt
The client had been working in this country for almost 20 years and had a federal tax transcript going back almost that far showing he'd paid his taxes.
End Excerpt/

Illegal Aliens Paying Taxes


So actually they have been paying. Not only with fake SSN's via paycheck deductions, but many are also filing annual taxes via a federal ID provided specifically for this pupose.

And I have been to Phoenix, Tucson and other areas of AZ. I was born in and spent 38 years of my life living in Los Angeles and currently live in Sacramento. There are people everywhere that take advantage of the system just like there are bad and good examples of natural citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. That is a fact of life and pointing out the few who are bad by no means equates to representation of the whole.

 

[blackangst1]

Interesting links on the tax issue...I'll read more later. But I never lumped all illegal immigrants into the "bad" bucket. All I said was not all come here for a chance to work. Many come here to get a free ride. Enough that it warrants action.

Oh. And they *did* break the law. How about punishment for the crime?


edit: typos

 

[AmerDoux]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Interesting links on the tax issue...I'll read more later. But I never lumped all illegal immigrants into the "bad" bucket. All I said was not all come here for a chance to work. Many come here to get a free ride. Enough that it warrants action.

Oh. And they *did* break the law. How about punishment for the crime?


edit: typos

Yes, they did break the law but the penalty for that should not be equal to a felony count and that is one of the issues people are protesting against. A felony count is murder and rape. A felony is not risking your life to cross a border and working hard for hope at a better life. We do need to develop a solution to the ongoing flood of illegal immigrants. I am not going to pretend it isnt a problem or pretned to have an answer to it. I am more upset at the level of hatred people here are displaying against the immigrants. Illegals have been crossing our borders literally for decades and worked at picking crops, cleaning houses, and doing menial and manual labor that Americans are not willing to do themselves.

I haven't had the chance to research what happened in Washington State (?) but I suspect they received federal grant monies based on the criteria of the number of SSN's they had provided services to. When an audit determined that the SSN's were not valid, the fed's chose to revoke the grant funds. Interesting because if that is the situation, there is no real path to return monies back to the feds simply because it almost never happens and on the rare occasion it does, they usually just give a verbal warning. The fed's must be flexing their muscles for political reasons. Of course, that is just my opinion.

Edit: Ahh, read the link to the posted story. I suspect this is just a sub-chapter of a department wide state audit that reviewed the overall management of its programs. I would be interested in seeing what other chapters are included in this report but am too lazy to research (they are public record). This probably got picked up because of the publicity in the news about the immigration rallies. Anyway, all states are required to conduct and publicy report their audits. The numbers that the auditor comes up with are very arguable, much like the IRS telling you you owe X amount of dollars, you can go back and argue and defend/reduce your payment amount based on defensible math. The real dollar amounts here are probably 1/2 of what they are claiming. Regardless, money is being mismanaged and it needs to be fixed.

 

[dmcowen674]

Bahahahaha they showed a news clip at a church where the pastor slipped a said "please pray for the United States of Mexico"

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Actually, many break the law twice. First by entering without proper documentation (the 14th amendment says 1st offense misdemeanor, 2nd offense felony), but then getting false SS cards, fake ID, etc is also a federal offense. Not not mention fraud.

They also use those fake ID's and SSN's to work and with them they also pay all applicable taxes. So if you look at that fact, even though it is done illegally, they support our economic system better than natural born american citizens who sit on their arses collecting welfare.

Unfortunately you are incorrect. They never actually pay into the system, because they dont have valid SSN's. Then you run into the problem WA state is having by now needing to repay $75 mill to the fed...money used via Medicare for illegal or undocumented people. So no. They dont pay taxes.

And if you think so many illegal's are hard at work, you obviously have never been to Phoenix. I think it is unfair to say all they are trying to do is come here and work hard. BS. Many come here for a free handout. If an American cant survive on 5 bucks/hour, how can an illegal immigrant? They get handouts that are paid for by US citizens.

Illegal Immigrants Are Adding To Social Security With Billions
Jim Wilson/The New York Times
By EDUARDO PORTER
Published: April 5, 2005
New York Times

/Excerpt
Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

IRCA, as the immigration act is known, did little to deter employers from hiring illegal immigrants or to discourage them from working. But for Social Security's finances, it was a great piece of legislation.

Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect - sometimes simply fictitious - Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.
Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.
End Excerpt/

Illegal immigrants paying taxes as example of good citizenship

Tax time is for everyone, including illegal immigrants

Tax Laws Protect Illegal Workers

/Excerpt
The client had been working in this country for almost 20 years and had a federal tax transcript going back almost that far showing he'd paid his taxes.
End Excerpt/

Illegal Aliens Paying Taxes


So actually they have been paying. Not only with fake SSN's via paycheck deductions, but many are also filing annual taxes via a federal ID provided specifically for this pupose.

And I have been to Phoenix, Tucson and other areas of AZ. I was born in and spent 38 years of my life living in Los Angeles and currently live in Sacramento. There are people everywhere that take advantage of the system just like there are bad and good examples of natural citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. That is a fact of life and pointing out the few who are bad by no means equates to representation of the whole.[/quote]



Thanks for the link AD That's what i've been saying here for over a year but never had a link to substantiaite it just going off what my contractors tell me. The illegals pay all SS and medicare taxes and the employers file legit returns. As an employer, you'd have to be crazy to make payroll in cash since not only would you pay the top marginal rate on the withdrawl yourself which means more money for payroll as you could'nt claim your payroll expenses as deductions. Crazy.

One problem of note not mentioned in his report is many are tought to put "exempt" on thier W4's to escape federal marginal income taxes and just switch jobs or come back with a different name every year to escape taxman if over $5500 per annum.

So both sides are being disengenuous with thier notions of illegals tax obligations. They pay some but not all.

 

[sandorski]

Give them amnesty. That'll probably force 90% of those opposed to change their opinion.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: AmerDoux

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Actually, many break the law twice. First by entering without proper documentation (the 14th amendment says 1st offense misdemeanor, 2nd offense felony), but then getting false SS cards, fake ID, etc is also a federal offense. Not not mention fraud.

They also use those fake ID's and SSN's to work and with them they also pay all applicable taxes. So if you look at that fact, even though it is done illegally, they support our economic system better than natural born american citizens who sit on their arses collecting welfare.

Unfortunately you are incorrect. They never actually pay into the system, because they dont have valid SSN's. Then you run into the problem WA state is having by now needing to repay $75 mill to the fed...money used via Medicare for illegal or undocumented people. So no. They dont pay taxes.

And if you think so many illegal's are hard at work, you obviously have never been to Phoenix. I think it is unfair to say all they are trying to do is come here and work hard. BS. Many come here for a free handout. If an American cant survive on 5 bucks/hour, how can an illegal immigrant? They get handouts that are paid for by US citizens.

Illegal Immigrants Are Adding To Social Security With Billions
Jim Wilson/The New York Times
By EDUARDO PORTER
Published: April 5, 2005
New York Times

/Excerpt
Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

IRCA, as the immigration act is known, did little to deter employers from hiring illegal immigrants or to discourage them from working. But for Social Security's finances, it was a great piece of legislation.

Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect - sometimes simply fictitious - Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.
Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.
End Excerpt/

Illegal immigrants paying taxes as example of good citizenship

Tax time is for everyone, including illegal immigrants

Tax Laws Protect Illegal Workers

/Excerpt
The client had been working in this country for almost 20 years and had a federal tax transcript going back almost that far showing he'd paid his taxes.
End Excerpt/

Illegal Aliens Paying Taxes


So actually they have been paying. Not only with fake SSN's via paycheck deductions, but many are also filing annual taxes via a federal ID provided specifically for this pupose.

And I have been to Phoenix, Tucson and other areas of AZ. I was born in and spent 38 years of my life living in Los Angeles and currently live in Sacramento. There are people everywhere that take advantage of the system just like there are bad and good examples of natural citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. That is a fact of life and pointing out the few who are bad by no means equates to representation of the whole.[/quote]

Good job. I checked 3 links so far and each one of them just confirms we need to KICK THEM OUT NOW.

 

[BBond]

We needed to kick them out years ago.

Good column on this from Paul Mulshine in the Star-Ledger this morning. Check out what the ILLEGALS really think about you "gringos" and "crackers".

And they have the nerve to cry "RACISM"?

The Beatles "Get Back" should become the anthem of the anti-ILLEGAL immigrant movement.

Bush must change his tune on immigrants

Tuesday, May 02, 2006

President Bush is upset that illegal immigrants are sing ing a Spanish-language version of "The Star-Spangled Ban ner."

Not me. I don't care what they sing. It's where they sing that gets me upset. And not at them. At Bush. The reason that there are 11 million people in the United States illegally is that he has refused to do his job, which is to enforce the law.

But as long as they're going to sing something, how about a Spanish-language version of "Get Back?" Just for laughs, I was listening to that Beatles classic as I drove to New York yesterday to watch the big immigration rally in Union Square.

I decided to drive to Manhattan through Brooklyn so I could see what effect this "Day without Im migrants" would have on a borough filled with them. I started with a stop on Coney Island, where it looked like business as usual. By the sea, I ran into a black woman who was working on a beach-cleaning crew, doing one of those jobs Americans supposedly won't do. I asked her what she thought of the boycott.

"Ain't that crazy?" she replied. "They don't even have papers to work legally and they're on strike."

That reaction -- or some variation on it -- comes from virtually every working American with whom I have ever discussed the subject. Americans may have varying degrees of sympathy with the illegals, but the ones I talk to all agree the situation is absurd.

I have more sympathy with the illegals than I do for the political types on either side of the issue. When I got to Union Square, the first thing I noticed was that sprinkled among the thousands of mostly young foreigners were a handful of really old Americans. The so-called "old left" really is old. I saw one guy who looked even older than Pete Seeger marching along tormenting a banjo. Then there was an old hippie wearing a Mexican blanket who had a flower in his hair, just like in that song from the Summer of Love.

Then a Latino-looking guy wearing a Che Guevara shirt tried to sell me a button with that pathological murderer's picture on it.

"Soy periodista," I told him. That means "I am a journalist." The guy just looked at me blankly, at which point I realized he didn't speak Spanish, a fact that no doubt explains why he thought Guevara was some sort of role model for Latin Americans.

I noticed a guy waving the flag of my favorite foreign country, El Salvador. We struck up a conversation about that much-maligned but lovely locale on the Pacific, which I visited quite often in the 1980s. It turned out he came from La Union, a spot on the Pacific Coast ru mored to have excellent surf. Back in the 1980s, I had always wanted to take a drive down there from my usual haunt in La Libertad to check out the rumors. But the Marxist guerrillas owned the place and had planted land mines everywhere.

That was the reason this guy had fled in the early'80s. It turned out he was a solid right-winger and a proud American citizen. He was attending the rally in support of his fellow Salvadorans, he said.

I pointed out to him that the demonstrators would have a lot better luck if they'd ditch all the foreign flags. That point seemed to be lost not only on him but on most of the crowd, though most meant no insult by it, I learned. They also failed to realize that ral lying on the traditional socialist holiday of May Day wasn't doing them much good either. Nor were the posters that read, among other things, "WWGD: What would gringos do?," "What's a cracker without queso (cheese)?" and "Who's the illegal alien, pilgrim?"

Most of the people didn't seem to endorse those sentiments, however. I got into a conversation with a pleasant couple from Ecuador. The guy started asking me about my own immigrant roots. Where were my ancestors born? "Come to think of it," I replied, "my great- grandfather was born a few blocks from here."

The Ecuadorian looked at all the big buildings.

"It was a long time ago," I said, "around 1860."

My crew, of course, was fleeing the potato famine. So I could em pathize with his plight. Actually I empathize with most of these people more than I do with the rich preppie in the White House. If he had dealt with this issue honestly from the beginning, it could have been cleared up by now. In the wake of 9/11, Bush could have had any immigration plan he wanted, including his beloved amnesty. But he was so busy figuring out how to run Iraq that he didn't have time to run the United States.

It's a bit late now. And it's a bit late for the excuse that the situation has gotten too bad to be dealt with by enforcing the law. Back in 2000, one of the candidates for president insisted, "We've got to do a better job of enforcing our borders."

That guy won. What's taken him so long?

bush can't run America because he screwed us and himself in Iraq. He refuses to enforce the law while he illegally and unconstitutionally subverts the law with over 750 signing statements.

This clown is a total and unmitigated disaster. It's long past time to do something about him. Impeachement and trial are the ONLY answers. And not just bush, that evil bastard cheney too, as well as the rest of this miserable failure of an administration -- all of them past and present.

This is the worst group of criminals ever to subvert our democracy. From this ILLEGAL immigrant fiasco to every other fiasco they create with their reverse Midas touch.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: BBond
We needed to kick them out years ago.

And I thought we'd never agree on anything!

From the 2nd link AmerDoux posted....
While some immigrants admitted they filed for the refund and others wanted to claim tax credits for children and spouses living outside the United States, many were thinking long-term this year.

Makes me wonder what percentage of illegals filing get returns....Funny, we never hear THAT part....

3rd link....
He's lived in the states for five years, but he's never filed taxes. He says he needs to start filing to get right with the Internal Revenue Service and immigration authorities if he wants to build a future here.

Oh good, NOW you decide to file taxes because you want to start your own business. How many others havent been paying taxes? Why arent they charged back taxes?

4th link....
American consumers foot the bill through increased insurance premiums.......
If you own a business, you can expect your insurance premiums to rise a little bit more.

Great, legal citizens have to pay more because of illegals.

And lets not forget this little gem

Here are some statistics from the Los Angeles Times:

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? They would be able to start bringing the rest of their families to the USA.

75 percent of people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

More statistics:

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

A new figure from yesterday: It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: BBond
We needed to kick them out years ago.

And I thought we'd never agree on anything!

From the 2nd link AmerDoux posted....
While some immigrants admitted they filed for the refund and others wanted to claim tax credits for children and spouses living outside the United States, many were thinking long-term this year.

Makes me wonder what percentage of illegals filing get returns....Funny, we never hear THAT part....

3rd link....
He's lived in the states for five years, but he's never filed taxes. He says he needs to start filing to get right with the Internal Revenue Service and immigration authorities if he wants to build a future here.

Oh good, NOW you decide to file taxes because you want to start your own business. How many others havent been paying taxes? Why arent they charged back taxes?

4th link....
American consumers foot the bill through increased insurance premiums.......
If you own a business, you can expect your insurance premiums to rise a little bit more.

Great, legal citizens have to pay more because of illegals.

And lets not forget this little gem

Here are some statistics from the Los Angeles Times:

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? They would be able to start bringing the rest of their families to the USA.

75 percent of people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

More statistics:

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

A new figure from yesterday: It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.

Yeah, it's funny what allliances a true common enemy like millions of ILLEGAL immigrants can form.

Along with all the rest, depressing wages, stealing jobs, stealing services, Medicare, Social Security numbers and benefits, driving with no insurance, not to mention the crime of ILLEGALLY invading our nation in the first place, unbelievable as this might seem, THESE ILLEGALS ARE ACTUALLY GETTING BREAKS ON COLLEGE TUITION THAT AMERICANS CAN'T EVEN GET!!!

The ridiculousness of this situation has now gone WAY past ridiculous.

Just check THIS out. :roll:

Bush Wants In-State Tuition For Illegal Immigrants' Kids

And jeb bush isn't the only one. It seems this movement to give ILLEGAL immigrants a break on college tuition that EVEN AMERICAN KIDS CAN'T GET has been going on for some time and in several states now.

More in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

Am I missing something here? When the hell did the USA become a client state of Latin America? When and where will this insanity end?