Immigrant walk outs/no shows today?

[archiloco]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: loki8481
seems like every hispanic person took off of work at my office today, despite the fact that they're all legal or were born in america.

meanwhile, the people who I'm pretty sure *are* illegal -- the vallets at the office parking garage, the guys in the kitchen where I got lunch from today, etc -- are all at work.

well you are a bit missinformed as to the walk out. the legal hispanics are walking out in order to show support to the unprotected, and exploited "illegal" worker. they have no rights, and no way to fight back at injustice in any level. thus most illegals can't walk out of their jobs because of fear of retaliation by their employers.

This statement is so freaking backwards and as you can tell it goes a long way towards pissing me off. I hope you are just saying what the point of the walk out is and not actually making the statement because you actually believe it.

They should have NO rights. Injustice? They are illegal! And as for retaliation by their employers... I wish we could export the people who hire the illegals but that's just me. 😛

BTW, I am for legal immigration. If these people have a problem at home that drives them to the US for work then they need to lead some sort of revolt in Mexico instead of coming here and protesting. Also, on the subject of protests, I think any Mexican illegal who waves the Mexican flag during their protest needs to be immediately deported.

hehe. yeah i see your point too. but there needs to be a way to let more people in and have them have rights. not just build a wall and keep them out of here.

 

[zanieladie]

I work from home and haven't even ventured outside yet. Hence, no affect on me at this point. However, in another ATOT thread, some people mentioned that they had less traffic during their commute this morning.

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: loki8481
seems like every hispanic person took off of work at my office today, despite the fact that they're all legal or were born in america.

meanwhile, the people who I'm pretty sure *are* illegal -- the vallets at the office parking garage, the guys in the kitchen where I got lunch from today, etc -- are all at work.

well you are a bit missinformed as to the walk out. the legal hispanics are walking out in order to show support to the unprotected, and exploited "illegal" worker. they have no rights, and no way to fight back at injustice in any level. thus most illegals can't walk out of their jobs because of fear of retaliation by their employers.

edit::::also this is about immigration, alot of asians are backing up this walk out. not only hispanic.

There is no injustice. Why can't you and the others understand that?

when you see the poverty and the way some of these people live and are treated. then you see the injustice. people here get paid 40 bucks a week to work as a maid. these people are treated like dirt and work 24/7 (plus they have to pay for their own expenses such as food, and sometimes housing) or the people who work at the fields harvesting, getting paid pennies an hour here in the good old USA. plenty of examples, and these people are treated badly and are told if they say anything they will report them to immigration and get thrown back into their country and be unemployed.

So isn't it their choice to stay here working that way or go back to their home country? Why should the US have to deal with other countries unemployment problems?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: loki8481
seems like every hispanic person took off of work at my office today, despite the fact that they're all legal or were born in america.

meanwhile, the people who I'm pretty sure *are* illegal -- the vallets at the office parking garage, the guys in the kitchen where I got lunch from today, etc -- are all at work.

well you are a bit missinformed as to the walk out. the legal hispanics are walking out in order to show support to the unprotected, and exploited "illegal" worker. they have no rights, and no way to fight back at injustice in any level. thus most illegals can't walk out of their jobs because of fear of retaliation by their employers.

This statement is so freaking backwards and as you can tell it goes a long way towards pissing me off. I hope you are just saying what the point of the walk out is and not actually making the statement because you actually believe it.

They should have NO rights. Injustice? They are illegal! And as for retaliation by their employers... I wish we could export the people who hire the illegals but that's just me. 😛

BTW, I am for legal immigration. If these people have a problem at home that drives them to the US for work then they need to lead some sort of revolt in Mexico instead of coming here and protesting. Also, on the subject of protests, I think any Mexican illegal who waves the Mexican flag during their protest needs to be immediately deported.

hehe. yeah i see your point too. but there needs to be a way to let more people in and have them have rights. not just build a wall and keep them out of here.

You're right about the 'rights' issue though I did not mean to say that they should have absolutely 'NO' rights I guess. I mean, they should have as many rights as anyone else in this country who is doing something illegal but their primary right should be the one that gets them a trip back home. They should have to pay the costs of said trip as well.

I'm evil, right? 😛

 

[archiloco]

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: loki8481
seems like every hispanic person took off of work at my office today, despite the fact that they're all legal or were born in america.

meanwhile, the people who I'm pretty sure *are* illegal -- the vallets at the office parking garage, the guys in the kitchen where I got lunch from today, etc -- are all at work.

well you are a bit missinformed as to the walk out. the legal hispanics are walking out in order to show support to the unprotected, and exploited "illegal" worker. they have no rights, and no way to fight back at injustice in any level. thus most illegals can't walk out of their jobs because of fear of retaliation by their employers.

edit::::also this is about immigration, alot of asians are backing up this walk out. not only hispanic.

There is no injustice. Why can't you and the others understand that?

when you see the poverty and the way some of these people live and are treated. then you see the injustice. people here get paid 40 bucks a week to work as a maid. these people are treated like dirt and work 24/7 (plus they have to pay for their own expenses such as food, and sometimes housing) or the people who work at the fields harvesting, getting paid pennies an hour here in the good old USA. plenty of examples, and these people are treated badly and are told if they say anything they will report them to immigration and get thrown back into their country and be unemployed.

So isn't it their choice to stay here working that way or go back to their home country? Why should the US have to deal with other countries unemployment problems?

yah, but most of those jobs only immigrants will do like harvesting, and jobs like that. so if there are no immigrants the farmers have nobody to harvest their crops.

 

[Mayfriday0529]

About 6 people from shipping are not here and they are all legal. They are just supporting the cause.
I'm Hispanic and a Citizen, but i'm here at work.
I support in a sense that the U.S. should give the workers some type of working documents and the workers should pay taxes. Maybe some should get legal status for being here for several years but not all.
I also do not support that stupid Spanish version of the American Anthem. That was just a dumb move.

 

[archiloco]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: loki8481
seems like every hispanic person took off of work at my office today, despite the fact that they're all legal or were born in america.

meanwhile, the people who I'm pretty sure *are* illegal -- the vallets at the office parking garage, the guys in the kitchen where I got lunch from today, etc -- are all at work.

well you are a bit missinformed as to the walk out. the legal hispanics are walking out in order to show support to the unprotected, and exploited "illegal" worker. they have no rights, and no way to fight back at injustice in any level. thus most illegals can't walk out of their jobs because of fear of retaliation by their employers.

This statement is so freaking backwards and as you can tell it goes a long way towards pissing me off. I hope you are just saying what the point of the walk out is and not actually making the statement because you actually believe it.

They should have NO rights. Injustice? They are illegal! And as for retaliation by their employers... I wish we could export the people who hire the illegals but that's just me. 😛

BTW, I am for legal immigration. If these people have a problem at home that drives them to the US for work then they need to lead some sort of revolt in Mexico instead of coming here and protesting. Also, on the subject of protests, I think any Mexican illegal who waves the Mexican flag during their protest needs to be immediately deported.

hehe. yeah i see your point too. but there needs to be a way to let more people in and have them have rights. not just build a wall and keep them out of here.

You're right about the 'rights' issue though I did not mean to say that they should have absolutely 'NO' rights I guess. I mean, they should have as many rights as anyone else in this country who is doing something illegal but their primary right should be the one that gets them a trip back home. They should have to pay the costs of said trip as well.

I'm evil, right? 😛

yeah basically, you are entitled to your opinion.........but that's just mean...hehe

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: loki8481
seems like every hispanic person took off of work at my office today, despite the fact that they're all legal or were born in america.

meanwhile, the people who I'm pretty sure *are* illegal -- the vallets at the office parking garage, the guys in the kitchen where I got lunch from today, etc -- are all at work.

well you are a bit missinformed as to the walk out. the legal hispanics are walking out in order to show support to the unprotected, and exploited "illegal" worker. they have no rights, and no way to fight back at injustice in any level. thus most illegals can't walk out of their jobs because of fear of retaliation by their employers.

edit::::also this is about immigration, alot of asians are backing up this walk out. not only hispanic.

There is no injustice. Why can't you and the others understand that?

when you see the poverty and the way some of these people live and are treated. then you see the injustice. people here get paid 40 bucks a week to work as a maid. these people are treated like dirt and work 24/7 (plus they have to pay for their own expenses such as food, and sometimes housing) or the people who work at the fields harvesting, getting paid pennies an hour here in the good old USA. plenty of examples, and these people are treated badly and are told if they say anything they will report them to immigration and get thrown back into their country and be unemployed.

So isn't it their choice to stay here working that way or go back to their home country? Why should the US have to deal with other countries unemployment problems?

yah, but most of those jobs only immigrants will do like harvesting, and jobs like that. so if there are no immigrants the farmers have nobody to harvest their crops.

It'll force them to pay a fair wage to crop harvesters.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: loki8481
seems like every hispanic person took off of work at my office today, despite the fact that they're all legal or were born in america.

meanwhile, the people who I'm pretty sure *are* illegal -- the vallets at the office parking garage, the guys in the kitchen where I got lunch from today, etc -- are all at work.

well you are a bit missinformed as to the walk out. the legal hispanics are walking out in order to show support to the unprotected, and exploited "illegal" worker. they have no rights, and no way to fight back at injustice in any level. thus most illegals can't walk out of their jobs because of fear of retaliation by their employers.

edit::::also this is about immigration, alot of asians are backing up this walk out. not only hispanic.

There is no injustice. Why can't you and the others understand that?

when you see the poverty and the way some of these people live and are treated. then you see the injustice. people here get paid 40 bucks a week to work as a maid. these people are treated like dirt and work 24/7 (plus they have to pay for their own expenses such as food, and sometimes housing) or the people who work at the fields harvesting, getting paid pennies an hour here in the good old USA. plenty of examples, and these people are treated badly and are told if they say anything they will report them to immigration and get thrown back into their country and be unemployed.

So isn't it their choice to stay here working that way or go back to their home country? Why should the US have to deal with other countries unemployment problems?

yah, but most of those jobs only immigrants will do like harvesting, and jobs like that. so if there are no immigrants the farmers have nobody to harvest their crops.

Well, they won't have anyone to harvest their crops for pennies an hour.

Let's just put it like this. If we send away the illegal immigrants the farmers will have to pay more to find legal workers. It will cause an increase in the cost of goods and have an effect on the economy but to say that we cannot survive such a situation is to say that our country requires 'almost' slave labor to survive.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: loki8481
seems like every hispanic person took off of work at my office today, despite the fact that they're all legal or were born in america.

meanwhile, the people who I'm pretty sure *are* illegal -- the vallets at the office parking garage, the guys in the kitchen where I got lunch from today, etc -- are all at work.

well you are a bit missinformed as to the walk out. the legal hispanics are walking out in order to show support to the unprotected, and exploited "illegal" worker. they have no rights, and no way to fight back at injustice in any level. thus most illegals can't walk out of their jobs because of fear of retaliation by their employers.

edit::::also this is about immigration, alot of asians are backing up this walk out. not only hispanic.

There is no injustice. Why can't you and the others understand that?

when you see the poverty and the way some of these people live and are treated. then you see the injustice. people here get paid 40 bucks a week to work as a maid. these people are treated like dirt and work 24/7 (plus they have to pay for their own expenses such as food, and sometimes housing) or the people who work at the fields harvesting, getting paid pennies an hour here in the good old USA. plenty of examples, and these people are treated badly and are told if they say anything they will report them to immigration and get thrown back into their country and be unemployed.

Yet in their country of origin they would be allowed to rot on the street with no help at all until they simply die or make the desperation move of trying to get into the US. There is definitely racism involved in this but it is on the part of the Mexican government, not the US.

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: archiloco

Originally posted by: Indolent


So isn't it their choice to stay here working that way or go back to their home country? Why should the US have to deal with other countries unemployment problems?

yah, but most of those jobs only immigrants will do like harvesting, and jobs like that. so if there are no immigrants the farmers have nobody to harvest their crops.

Well, they won't have anyone to harvest their crops for pennies an hour.

Let's just put it like this. If we send away the illegal immigrants the farmers will have to pay more to find legal workers. It will cause an increase in the cost of goods and have an effect on the economy but to say that we cannot survive such a situation is to say that our country requires 'almost' slave labor to survive.

So, paying illegals a "fair wage" would have the same result, wouldn't it? It accomplishes nothing except letting people come to the US illegally.

 

[archiloco]

said by fingolfin269

"Well, they won't have anyone to harvest their crops for pennies an hour.

Let's just put it like this. If we send away the illegal immigrants the farmers will have to pay more to find legal workers. It will cause an increase in the cost of goods and have an effect on the economy but to say that we cannot survive such a situation is to say that our country requires 'almost' slave labor to survive."

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that is one senario......and very good point on the survival of our economy without slave labor.....wonder what would happen without it. prolly import alot more fruits/vegetables.

 

[astrocase]

They asked and I said no. One of my customers closed up shop though and is paying his guys as well. Another customer told his guys no as well but might let one of them go early.

 

[astrocase]

Those that think illegals have it so bad, look at it this way: They work here for 10x what they would make at home and they like it. I'd say that's one hell of an opportunity. Besides all that, we all started at the bottom at some point. In 100 years the Mexicans will be Americans and we'll be using cheap Chinese labor.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: archiloco
when you see the poverty and the way some of these people live and are treated. then you see the injustice. people here get paid 40 bucks a week to work as a maid. these people are treated like dirt and work 24/7 (plus they have to pay for their own expenses such as food, and sometimes housing) or the people who work at the fields harvesting, getting paid pennies an hour here in the good old USA. plenty of examples, and these people are treated badly and are told if they say anything they will report them to immigration and get thrown back into their country and be unemployed.

Have you ever been to the colonias in Mexico? I have. I've been to the cities INSIDE the garbage dumps where people spend all day picking through filthy stinking garbage to gather up recyclable materials and are paid less than peanuts for it.....and then they walk a short ways and sleep in 10x10 shacks built of scraps of wood on top of the garbage. In the "better off" colonias the people make soup from tomato sauce and mayonaisse to offer as gourmet dining to us Americans when we stop by. Trucks drive by and fill up 50 gallon containers with fresh water that needs to be rationed to keep you from turning to the putrid public water system. I dedicated two full Summers of my life to being down there.

Two things struck me about that. #1) I don't ever want America to be like that and #2) I would take cleaning toilet bowls in America for pennies and hour to living in Mexico....gladly....and apparently, most Mexicans feel the same.........frankly we don't hear many of them complaining. It's the legal Mexican citizens who are unhappy with having to learn the language and fight alongside black and Asian and white Americans for good-paying jobs. They want America to be the same socialist paradise their home countries are. That and pricks who just love to rail against oppression and injustice even when it's not there because it makes them feel like they're actually doing something with their pathetic lives.

Aside from that, if field working and janitorial work become regulated industries, then those jobs will no longer being join to Latin workers......they'll go the rich white college kids looking for part time work before rich white engineers get richer developing machines and techniques to automate and mechanize the process.

 

[JungleMan1]

Originally posted by: archiloco
when you see the poverty and the way some of these people live and are treated. then you see the injustice. people here get paid 40 bucks a week to work as a maid. these people are treated like dirt and work 24/7 (plus they have to pay for their own expenses such as food, and sometimes housing) or the people who work at the fields harvesting, getting paid pennies an hour here in the good old USA. plenty of examples, and these people are treated badly and are told if they say anything they will report them to immigration and get thrown back into their country and be unemployed.

That's what you can expect to be treated like when you break the law. People who blatantly break the law should not expect us to protect them while they do it.

Not that I particularly advocate cruel and unethical treatment of anyone (even illegal Mexicans), but if people want to unlawfully put themselves in a situation where they are vulnerable to that type of treatment, that is up to them and it's not my duty to ensure that they have the ability to break the law without incurring that type of treatment. I frown just as much upon the employers who knowingly give these people jobs.

If they want jobs here? Great. They should come here legally just like my grandparents did from Italy, and trust me, what these illegal Mexicans go through now is a cakewalk compared to the racial discrimination my grandparents and millions of other legal immigrants went through just for being Italian (or Irish, or Scotch, etc).

Anyway, one of my co-workers is a legal Polish immigrant but I am almost positive he'll be at work today. He is not the type to walk out, even if he believes in the cause (which I doubt he does)

 

[Homerboy]

whoah whoah whoah kids... can I have my thread back? This discussion is raging over in P&N I'm sure... take your pointless arguement over there 😛

 

[trmiv]

Yea, the pizza place across the street that is staffed by Mexicans is closed today. Big loss, I don't know how I'll get through the day now.

 

[illusion88]

I didn't go into work today, but I have a feeling every illegal mexican showed up. They have killer work ethics.

 

[Private Savage]

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