Imagine if China commited troops to the Iraq war!

[Kev]

I think it would be difficult for them to support that many troops with food, clothes, and shelter. They would be better off staying put.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Vic
If China joined the war in Iraq, I'd say there's a 99.99999% chance they'd be fighting alongside the Iraqis... and against US.

there's a very slim chance of china joining the war, but i'd say you're 99.99999999% wrong and have no clue what you're talking about.

Saddam in power in an Iraq with no restrictions is better for Chinese business than a liberated Iraq with the US running the show.

That's why China wanted to ease restrictions, dooming the inspection process. I'd say Vic has a legitimate point. Thankfully China won't get involved.

perhaps, but that doesn't mean china would go to war with the US over it.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Trinitron
China has no way to get its ground forces to Iraq. Besides the Chinese don't give a crap about anyone but themselves, they just want to be left alone.

That's not totally true... China is the last signifigant communist nation, and is scared sh!tless. They're playing every game they can find in hopes of strengthening their position.

If they ever build some confidence, you can bet Taiwan (white china) will be invaded by the ROC (red china). China covets Taiwan's industrial base.

You'd think these communist nations would have figured it out: Communism does NOT foster industrial and financial growth. Taiwan: Strong industrial nation. ROC: lots of poor people. Same cultures. Sigh.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Vic
If China joined the war in Iraq, I'd say there's a 99.99999% chance they'd be fighting alongside the Iraqis... and against US.

there's a very slim chance of china joining the war, but i'd say you're 99.99999999% wrong and have no clue what you're talking about.

Saddam in power in an Iraq with no restrictions is better for Chinese business than a liberated Iraq with the US running the show.

That's why China wanted to ease restrictions, dooming the inspection process. I'd say Vic has a legitimate point. Thankfully China won't get involved.

perhaps, but that doesn't mean china would go to war with the US over it.

True.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: DDCSpeed
Sending out troops and fighting the war (pricey) is not in their best interest when they have nothing to gain from it.

well technically they would gain something... the question is whether the cost outweighs the gain or not. china has had problems with muslim extremists/terrorists for quite a long time... assuming there is a connection between iraq and terrorism (i have no clue, this is just what people tell me), china would be glad to see that connection cut.

China gains nothing of substance. They gain much more by their mild opposition to US actions and by staying out of conflicts in the Mideast. I think that behind closed doors they are getting a good chuckle out of all this.

that was my point, the gains probably don't outweigh the costs. there's no need for them to get involved anyways, not like america needs help.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Trinitron
China has no way to get its ground forces to Iraq. Besides the Chinese don't give a crap about anyone but themselves, they just want to be left alone.

That's not totally true... China is the last signifigant communist nation, and is scared sh!tless. They're playing every game they can find in hopes of strengthening their position.

If they ever build some confidence, you can bet Taiwan (white china) will be invaded by the ROC (red china). China covets Taiwan's industrial base.

You'd think these communist nations would have figured it out: Communism does NOT foster industrial and financial growth. Taiwan: Strong industrial nation. ROC: lots of poor people. Same cultures. Sigh.

you know that china isn't communist (except in name) anymore, right?

 

[jteef]

If they ever build some confidence, you can bet Taiwan (white china) will be invaded by the ROC (red china). China covets Taiwan's industrial base.

That doesn't make any sense because they'd have to blow the hell out of the whole island before they'd get control of it. i.e. no industrial base left.

 

[blahblah]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Trinitron
China has no way to get its ground forces to Iraq. Besides the Chinese don't give a crap about anyone but themselves, they just want to be left alone.

That's not totally true... China is the last signifigant communist nation, and is scared sh!tless. They're playing every game they can find in hopes of strengthening their position.

If they ever build some confidence, you can bet Taiwan (white china) will be invaded by the ROC (red china). China covets Taiwan's industrial base.

You'd think these communist nations would have figured it out: Communism does NOT foster industrial and financial growth. Taiwan: Strong industrial nation. ROC: lots of poor people. Same cultures. Sigh.

Do you really know what is going on in China now days? Do you ever wonder why more business in Taiwan is shifting their operations to China?

Anyways, even though China is a communist country, but in reality, business is a primary focus of the government. Why do you think they worked so hard to get into WTO. There is really not such thing as a pure communist or even a pure democratic country in the world.

As for the war, China's policy has always been "we should not interfer with other countries internal business". This is partly brought on because China doesn't want other country to interfer with what China perceive as their business, ie Taiwan and Taibet.

But more to the point, if China were to send troops, they will fight with the americans. After all, US is their largest trade partner. It just wouldn't make any business sense to do so otherwise.

As for the war, do you really think it will be over in a few days? I think everyone realizes that US has superior weapons, superior technology and superior personnels, but to think you can crush a country the size of IRAQ in a few days is a bit overly optimistic. Yes US will eventually declare a victory, but the cost I believe will be higher then what they expect.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Vic
If China joined the war in Iraq, I'd say there's a 99.99999% chance they'd be fighting alongside the Iraqis... and against US.

there's a very slim chance of china joining the war, but i'd say you're 99.99999999% wrong and have no clue what you're talking about.

Saddam in power in an Iraq with no restrictions is better for Chinese business than a liberated Iraq with the US running the show.

That's why China wanted to ease restrictions, dooming the inspection process. I'd say Vic has a legitimate point. Thankfully China won't get involved.

Thanks.
BTW, I edited the quoted text here to highlight the "IF." I strongly believe that China won't get involved. BUT, they have also made it abundantly clear that they do not support the US action in Iraq.

 

[gopunk]

Thanks.
BTW, I edited the quoted text here to highlight the "IF." I strongly believe that China won't get involved. BUT, they have also made it abundantly clear that they do not support the US action in Iraq.

so have france and germany... but i would still find it more likely that they side with the US than iraq, if they were to enter the war.

 

[everman]

The 300,000 troops already there are scaring the crap out of some Iraqi troops (heard another story of some trying to surrender to marines playing soccer, marines had to turn them down but they may have arranged something).
I can just imagine most would be scared sh!tless if there was a 2 million man army knocking at the door...

 

[AzNmAnJLH]

Takes 2 steps forward and 3 steps backward.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: everman
The 300,000 troops already there are scaring the crap out of some Iraqi troops (heard another story of some trying to surrender to marines playing soccer, marines had to turn them down but they may have arranged something).

As bad as our american men's team plays soccer they should have just challenged the marines to a soccer match, they'd have found something they could mop the floor with us at 😛

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Thanks.
BTW, I edited the quoted text here to highlight the "IF." I strongly believe that China won't get involved. BUT, they have also made it abundantly clear that they do not support the US action in Iraq.

so have france and germany... but i would still find it more likely that they side with the US than iraq, if they were to enter the war.

I think that you fail to see or understand the truer causes of this upcoming war. It is possible, if both (1) the US attacks without UN approval, as it appears that we will do certainly do tomorrow evening, and (2) this war becomes prolonged and/or spreads outside of Iraq, that the US will be held at fault, will be seen by the world as the "rogue nation."
I'm quite sure that you (or at least someone out there 😉 ) consider my comments (in some form of black-and-white thinking) as anti-US. Trust me, they're not. I am very pro-US but also very anti-idiot-sheep. While the US populace is in fear that "terrorists" from the whole world will attack us, the rest of the world is becoming more and more terrified of the increasingly uncontrollable and unpredictable behavior of the "New Rome." That is why so many nations (who would have otherwise supported us) are NOT supporting us now.
Someone needs to tell GW and a good percentage of the US populace to calm down and take a step back, let the peace process work. We are not defending, we are attacking. The rest of the world sees the US as the aggressors in this development and it is unsettling an already unstable geopolitical environment.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: everman
The 300,000 troops already there are scaring the crap out of some Iraqi troops (heard another story of some trying to surrender to marines playing soccer, marines had to turn them down but they may have arranged something).

As bad as our american men's team plays soccer they should have just challenged the marines to a soccer match, they'd have found something they could mop the floor with us at 😛

i think these were brits... i could be wrong though

 

[Jugernot]

"...300,000 elite China warriors who are ready to kick some ass! "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[gopunk]

I think that you fail to see or understand the truer causes of this upcoming war. It is possible, if both (1) the US attacks without UN approval, as it appears that we will do certainly do tomorrow evening, and (2) this war becomes prolonged and/or spreads outside of Iraq, that the US will be held at fault, will be seen by the world as the "rogue nation."
I'm quite sure that you (or at least someone out there 😉 ) consider my comments (in some form of black-and-white thinking) as anti-US. Trust me, they're not. I am very pro-US but also very anti-idiot-sheep. While the US populace is in fear that "terrorists" from the whole world will attack us, the rest of the world is becoming more and more terrified of the increasingly uncontrollable and unpredictable behavior of the "New Rome." That is why so many nations (who would have otherwise supported us) are NOT supporting us now.
Someone needs to tell GW and a good percentage of the US populace to calm down and take a step back, let the peace process work. We are not defending, we are attacking. The rest of the world sees the US as the aggressors in this development and it is unsettling an already unstable geopolitical environment.

and i think neither you nor i are in a position to claim to know or understand the "true" cause of this war. for any of us to make comments as to why america is choosing to engage in this war, would be pure speculation.

but let us not get carried away here, to think that china would fight against the US in the unlikely event that they enter the war, is kind of silly.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: gopunk
and i think neither you nor i are in a position to claim to know or understand the "true" cause of this war. for any of us to make comments as to why america is choosing to engage in this war, would be pure speculation.

but let us not get carried away here, to think that china would fight against the US in the unlikely event that they enter the war, is kind of silly.

I won't argue the point. But China has already stated their outrage against the US for the upcoming war, both in the recent past and especially today. I think it would be pretty silly to assume that they would enter on our side either, don't you think?

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: Trinitron
China has a very small navy, very small. The CIA reported they have about six ships in their entire navy, no air craft carries and no troop carriers. China has a 10,000,000 man infantry army - this army is to control their population of 1,284,303,705 people. If you want to have a communist dictator ship you have to have a way to control the people, and China has 10 mil. men to do this. China is not interested in going to war outside their borders. Period.

I thihnk they have more than 6 ships dude

Sure they don't have carriers and they have no effective blue water forces but they sure do have a lot of figates & destroyers. As for the troop transports:

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While not the most powerful navy I think they could get 300,000 troops there.

ps. They could also fly them there 😀

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: gopunk
and i think neither you nor i are in a position to claim to know or understand the "true" cause of this war. for any of us to make comments as to why america is choosing to engage in this war, would be pure speculation.

but let us not get carried away here, to think that china would fight against the US in the unlikely event that they enter the war, is kind of silly.

I won't argue the point. But China has already stated their outrage against the US for the upcoming war, both in the recent past and especially today. I think it would be pretty silly to assume that they would enter on our side either, don't you think?

yes, of course. but i think this thread is just concerning a hypothetical situation... a "what if" of sorts.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Trinitron
China has no way to get its ground forces to Iraq. Besides the Chinese don't give a crap about anyone but themselves, they just want to be left alone.

That's not totally true... China is the last signifigant communist nation, and is scared sh!tless. They're playing every game they can find in hopes of strengthening their position.

If they ever build some confidence, you can bet Taiwan (white china) will be invaded by the ROC (red china). China covets Taiwan's industrial base.

You'd think these communist nations would have figured it out: Communism does NOT foster industrial and financial growth. Taiwan: Strong industrial nation. ROC: lots of poor people. Same cultures. Sigh.

heh what year are you from?