Image quality Who is better

[geniusloci]

You assume that other people, even those who see the differences better than you, agree with what you consider better.

It isn't subjective. The ability to discern the outer edge of that C in the example as sharper means the text is more clear across the board. This is a definable characteristic.

edit: I should rather say it's subjective, but the end result is definable as better based on the objective of presentation: sharper text.

 

[bystander36]

I urge you to find an article that actually compares the two cards. I posted one earlier, which found AMD's to be inferior, but it was only talking about gaming, and it was an issue later to be made equal.

Can you find one that supports your thoughts. An actual professional review site would be good.

 

[bystander36]

It isn't subjective. The ability to discern the outer edge of that C in the example as sharper means the text is more clear across the board. This is a definable characteristic.

Sure it is. Your eye site may be slightly focused different than another person. If I wear someone glasses, everything appears blurry to me. If that same person removes their glasses, everything is blurry to them.

 

[geniusloci]

Sure it is. Your eye site may be slightly focused different than another person. If I wear someone glasses, everything appears blurry to me. If that same person removes their glasses, everything is blurry to them.

:whiste:

 

[geniusloci]

I urge you to find an article that actually compares the two cards. I posted one earlier, which found AMD's to be inferior, but it was only talking about gaming, and it was an issue later to be made equal.

Can you find one that supports your thoughts. An actual professional review site would be good.

You mean a professional 'review' site that has more "getting it on" insight than MICROSOFT ITSELF DOES ABOUT IT'S OWN TECHNOLOGY? Because that's what you're asking for. Christ I tire of this argument. You people can cram your inferior "rectal bull discharge" happily right up your "posteriors".

Keep ignoring what MS and Adobe both stated, because it makes you feel good or whatever. Those of us who can see the difference will continue to ignore those of you who are blind as "sexual intercourse".

edited for profanity.

 

[bystander36]

You mean a professional 'review' site that has more fucking insight than MICROSOFT ITSELF DOES ABOUT IT'S OWN TECHNOLOGY? Because that's what you're asking for. Christ I tire of this argument. You people can cram your inferior bullshit happily right up your asses.

Keep ignoring what MS and Adobe both stated, because it makes you feel good or whatever. Those of us who can see the difference will continue to ignore those of you who are blind as fuck.

Microsoft said nothing about AMD vs Nvidia, or even mentioned graphics cards in your quote. Only that people see differences in ClearType.

 

[Zanovar]

You mean a professional 'review' site that has more fucking insight than MICROSOFT ITSELF DOES ABOUT IT'S OWN TECHNOLOGY? Because that's what you're asking for. Christ I tire of this argument. You people can cram your inferior bullshit happily right up your asses.

Keep ignoring what MS and Adobe both stated, because it makes you feel good or whatever. Those of us who can see the difference will continue to ignore those of you who are blind as fuck.

hahaha

 

[bystander36]

Look, I'll be willing to believe you, if you can find something that says there is a difference made by video cards since digital signals have been used.

You keep talking about this quote of yours, but no where does it mention a difference caused by a video card and I can't find anything but you that says there is a difference while using a digital signal.

I'm not even arguing about videos, as videos had been in AMD's favor for a while, then in the 500 series they were about equal, but it does change from time to time, so you may be right at the current moment.

I just want the truth, not the word of a foul mouth kid on the internet.

Edit: Here is an example for you: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
Unfortunately, it shows the opposite, but in gaming, not for desktop text.

 

[Will Robinson]

Why are you digging yourself deeper and... deeper

Clear Font quality perception has nothing to do with NV/AMD

And it's about individual perception., and NOT about one being BETTER.

LOL you've just demonstrated that you're quoting the matter that you totally fail to understand.



:sneaky:

Actually he just owned you badly through sensible observations and posts.
Show a bit of humility instead of joining the "OMG he doesn't adore NVDA"
witchhunt group to which you belong.:thumbsdown:

 

[chimaxi83]

I'm impressed with how rapidly the defense force mobilizes anytime Nvidia is being talked about in a negative fashion... bravo. Or not.

 

[UaVaj]

Okie...
Now put your 23 posts reputation where your mouth is
What are the differences betweene these pics? Which one is Nvidia/AMD?

One of these has a distinct blur or fringe to it. So for you the answer should be obvious, no?

given this level of magnification. the difference is night and day. the right is definitely cleaner.

back to everyday practical usage/testing in front of the "same" monitor. the difference so so so small. it is negligible.

if anyone claim the can tell the difference in that practical example. they either were born with a robot eye or lying to themselves (which they are entitle to do so) :biggrin:.

recently switch from 7970 eyeinfinity to 680 surround. can not tell the difference whatsoever.

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bottomline is. perception equal reality. what you think you see, is what you will see. :whiste:

 

[futurefields]

I always thought ATI cards had better straight up image quality but then nvidia always gets special treatment from games companies so that certain effects only work on their card.

 

[Zanovar]

I'm impressed with how rapidly the defense force mobilizes anytime Nvidia is being talked about in a negative fashion... bravo. Or not.

Agreed,almost as impressive as you *laughs*

 

[Will Robinson]

Ati cards historically were known for warmer color saturation which on early monitors looked a bit brighter and more pleasing to the eye.
I note BF2 looked a little pale and a bit faded with NVDA cards of the time.
These days the IQ between either vendor seems very similar.
On my monitor, which is known for good IQ it's pretty much a wash between them.

 

[Xarick]

What is interesting is I found the quality of video better on my new video card. I gave up tweaking the settings in CCC to try and get a picture I liked. Maybe it was just my old 5850 that wasn't so great... dunno.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm impressed with how rapidly the defense force mobilizes anytime Nvidia is being talked about in a negative fashion... bravo. Or not.

Totally ignoring the fact that we claimed AMD had microstutter issues for months and you all denied this. Now AMD admits it. Yeah no defense force there before right?

The simple fact is as I said before, your display and settings make more a difference than any card can or will. Claiming otherwise is a joke. You can calibrate anything that isn't outright broken.

 

[bystander36]

What is interesting is I found the quality of video better on my new video card. I gave up tweaking the settings in CCC to try and get a picture I liked. Maybe it was just my old 5850 that wasn't so great... dunno.

There has been a few articles on it, and with the 5000 vs 400 series, AMD had a clear advantage in video play back. With the 6000 vs 500 series, they were equal except in 3D if I recall. AMD had blu ray 3D advantages. I don't know what the current comparison is like.

Though video, desktop text, and gaming all use different technologies.

 

[Will Robinson]

Totally ignoring the fact that we claimed AMD had microstutter issues for months and you all denied this. Now AMD admits it. Yeah no defense force there before right?

The simple fact is as I said before, your display and settings make more a difference than any card can or will. Claiming otherwise is a joke. You can calibrate anything that isn't outright broken.

Please link to the posts denying MS.

The "we" above presumably is your admittance of being a member of the "NVDA defense force"?:whiste:

 

[bluesquare07]

Please link to the posts denying MS.

The "we" above presumably is your admittance of being a member of the "NVDA defense force"?:whiste:

Calling out members on this forum as "NVDA defense force" is extremely funny considering what actually happens with all the pro amd users.

 

[Xarick]

All you've 'proven' here is that given the question at hand, Arkadrel immediately noted the differences and vindicated my original post. Look at the left boundary of that C's outer edge and you'll see that on the nvidia side, it blurs right into black, there's a small hint of the red cell, but it's nearly indistinguishable. On the amd side the red is clearly more visible, and the letter is thus sharper. I can't see THAT at normal text size, the but overall impression I get when looking at text is that it is superior on AMD cards. It's 'the full effect' kind of thing.

Again: I wish I didn't see these things and was happy with just any card, but that's not the case. AMD does a noticeably better 2D desktop.

(and Nvidia's video quality is absolutely shit, how do people even watch youtube on that crap?)

edit: what really pisses me off is this assertion of being a 'fanboy' because a difference is visible to me personally. My last amd card before getting a 6670 was a 9800pro, so I went through many years with Nvidia. When I switched back and purchased the amd card I could have kicked myself in the ass for missing out all those years.

I am fairly surprised by the vehement hatred for Nvidias video quality. I have the exact opposite reaction when I jumped to a 5850. I tweaked and tweaked and could never get a pic I liked. I finally gave up and just accepted.

I do understand the font thing though. I don't personally feel AMD was any better. However, once something bothers you it might as well big as big a difference as black and white. I get called out all the time because things bother me that most can't see or hear.

 

[bystander36]

Please link to the posts denying MS.

The "we" above presumably is your admittance of being a member of the "NVDA defense force"?:whiste:

MS didn't even claim Nvidia or AMD had differences. That was in geniusloci's head.

Here is the original quote:

According to MSDN website,[5] Microsoft acknowledges that "[t]ext that is rendered with ClearType can also appear significantly different when viewed by individuals with varying levels of color sensitivity. Some individuals can detect slight differences in color better than others." This opinion is shared[6] by the font designer Thomas Phinney, program manager for fonts and core technologies at Adobe Systems:[7] "There is also considerable variation between individuals in their sensitivity to color fringing. Some people just notice it and are bothered by it a lot more than others."

Some how geniusloci has taken that to mean something not written. Where in that quote is there anything about different video cards producing different results, or even if ClearType looks different on other peoples machines? It only says that people have different sensitivities to colors and fringing, which is why ClearType has different settings.

 

[zaydq]

Having had numerous cards from both vendors, color accuracy and representation has never been an issue. People are literally attempting to pick at thin air here...

 

[Leadbox]

To me, the radeons appear crisper and cleaner, the geforces softer and blurry like a radeon with MLAA applied
Make of that what you will

 

[NTMBK]

I'm impressed with how rapidly the defense force mobilizes anytime Nvidia is being talked about in a negative fashion... bravo. Or not.

Can we stop all the schoolyard "defence force" crap, please?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Please link to the posts denying MS.

The "we" above presumably is your admittance of being a member of the "NVDA defense force"?:whiste:

Use the search and there's like a 100+ page thread about it. That isn't the point even. Whenever someone posts something that is clearly bias against nvidia and people try to break down the argument or argue in favor or nvidia or a neutral stance, it is called being a fanboy or "nvidia defense force". Yet when the same thing happens to AMD it is total opposite.

Some people act as if this never happens. Those same people will hand pick reviews and graphs and post them too. Everyone knows this.

This argument that amd is better with color and text by default is laughable when anyone who cares about this will calibrate their monitor correctly.