Image quality Who is better

[geniusloci]

No, but you need to realize that there is a thing called monitor refresh and camera shutter speed.
Also, that pixels are lit with R,B or G, and there is little that Nvidia/AMD can do about it.

All you've 'proven' here is that given the question at hand, Arkadrel immediately noted the differences and vindicated my original post. Look at the left boundary of that C's outer edge and you'll see that on the nvidia side, it blurs right into black, there's a small hint of the red cell, but it's nearly indistinguishable. On the amd side the red is clearly more visible, and the letter is thus sharper. I can't see THAT at normal text size, the but overall impression I get when looking at text is that it is superior on AMD cards. It's 'the full effect' kind of thing.

Again: I wish I didn't see these things and was happy with just any card, but that's not the case. AMD does a noticeably better 2D desktop.

(and Nvidia's video quality is absolutely shit, how do people even watch youtube on that crap?)

edit: what really pisses me off is this assertion of being a 'fanboy' because a difference is visible to me personally. My last amd card before getting a 6670 was a 9800pro, so I went through many years with Nvidia. When I switched back and purchased the amd card I could have kicked myself in the ass for missing out all those years.

 

[Zanovar]

I notice no difference tbh,maybe my rubbish eyes,dunno.

 

[f1sherman]

@Geniusloci

I quoted myself stateing I percived differnces in those 2 pictures.
I noticed it in the blues and red's.

Fisherman lateron posted that there was indeed tiny differnces,
in both the blues and reds.

True... you mentioned R and B differences (which are 0.01, and 0.04) and you missed greens which have the 10-50x BIGGER difference (0.52) ^_^

All you've 'proven' here is that given the question at hand, Arkadrel immediately noted the differences and vindicated my original post.

LOL

 

[cmdrdredd]

So since AMD admitted microstutter we have to argue this? For real?

This is super ridiculous, even for this forum. You mean to tell me you stare at pixels blown up in a magnifier all day? Didn't think so...

Now go get a calibrated professional CRT or super high end IPS and we might talk. I bet you most people use TN panels that don't even show proper color to begin with. Arguing this is just really...I don't even know the word to use that would describe it properly.

All you've 'proven' here is that given the question at hand, Arkadrel immediately noted the differences and vindicated my original post. Look at the left boundary of that C's outer edge and you'll see that on the nvidia side, it blurs right into black, there's a small hint of the red cell, but it's nearly indistinguishable. On the amd side the red is clearly more visible, and the letter is thus sharper. I can't see THAT at normal text size, the but overall impression I get when looking at text is that it is superior on AMD cards. It's 'the full effect' kind of thing.

Again: I wish I didn't see these things and was happy with just any card, but that's not the case. AMD does a noticeably better 2D desktop.

(and Nvidia's video quality is absolutely shit, how do people even watch youtube on that crap?)

edit: what really pisses me off is this assertion of being a 'fanboy' because a difference is visible to me personally. My last amd card before getting a 6670 was a 9800pro, so I went through many years with Nvidia. When I switched back and purchased the amd card I could have kicked myself in the ass for missing out all those years.

9800pro is ATI...you didn't mention owning any Nvidia hardware so....how did you go through many years with Nvidia? In fact your whole last sentence makes no sense.

 

[Zanovar]

pic on right seems clearer,sharp.

 

[geniusloci]

LOL

Adobe and Microsoft both admit it, why do you continue to laugh at such a thing being true? Because you want to 'win' the internets?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Adobe and Microsoft both admit it, why do you continue to laugh at such a thing being true? Because you want to 'win' the internets?

Probably because you're so vehemently in one corner, as if you have some personal stake in showing something that 99% of people wouldn't even be able to measure on their 1080p TN panel.

 

[f1sherman]

pic on right seems clearer,sharp.

What you see is a camera quality/shutter fail.

Which has nothing to do with the way AMD or NV draw 2D.

AMD or NV can't magically light those monitor pixels better/clearer.
They light the freaking pixels with R,B or,G. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Zanovar]

What you see is a camera quality/shutter fail.

Which has nothing to do with the way AMD or NV draw 2D.
They light the freaking pixels R,B or,G. Nothing more, nothing less.

Always looked the same to me bud,seriously i notice no difference between them.my rubbish eyes i think dont help.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I do remember back in the day, Nvidia used cheaper/lower quality DACs on their cards so the general usage IQ was slightly lower than ATI. Now they are even in that regard. They are pretty much outputting whatever the software is giving them. Unless you mess with settings on your monitor or the control panel in some way for calibration.

This also doesn't change the fact that what someone perceives as being "correct" isn't always the correct color when measured with the proper equipment. So telling someone that one card produces more accurate reds at some point of the scale really means nothing when they aren't using calibrated equipment with trained eyes to pickup the nuances.

Take it further and purposely ah heck the whites or blues just slightly off proper calibration and give the average person that monitor for a month. After that month have them observe a properly calibrated monitor but do not tell them. Just ask them if it looks as good as the first one and most of the time they will say it looks off or wrong when in fact what they have been using was wrong or off. Point being, most users don't even know and couldn't see it unless you made it obvious.

 

[geniusloci]

Probably because you're so vehemently in one corner, as if you have some personal stake in showing something that 99% of people wouldn't even be able to measure on their 1080p TN panel.

Perhaps you should read my original post on the matter again, as I made multiple allowances for the fact that many people probably wouldn't notice the difference. I however, am tired of being told I'm stupid, or imagining things, or otherwise being laughed at over this particular nuance of computing, especially when I'm right.

You would be too.

 

[geniusloci]

What you see is a camera quality/shutter fail.

Which has nothing to do with the way AMD or NV draw 2D.

AMD or NV can't magically light those monitor pixels better/clearer.
They light the freaking pixels with R,B or,G. Nothing more, nothing less.

What you did was propose a test, differences were noted, now you proclaim your own test invalid, after you provided a chart of differences.

Just piss off, seriously. You are horribly intellectually dishonest. Going to ignore you, because you're ignore worthy.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Perhaps you should read my original post on the matter again, as I made multiple allowances for the fact that many people probably wouldn't notice the difference. I however, am tired of being told I'm stupid, or imagining things, or otherwise being laughed at over this particular nuance of computing, especially when I'm right.

You would be too.

You're doing it wrong though. People who need accurate color don't buy AMD or Nvidia or much care. They calibrate it out with the proper equipment on a professional grade monitor. So the vender doesn't matter because anything less than true and accurate color can be adjusted.

The guy who uses photoshop to edit facebook and twitter uploads doesn't care, most gamers don't care or notice, and surely the average internet lurker and office user doesn't either.

I have by no means the best eyes but I can usually spot off colors due to my work in the graphic arts industry. That said, take a TN panel...any one and hook it up to any AMD card you choose. Then take an IPS monitor and hook it up to any Nvidia card you choose. Guaranteed the IPS + Nvidia combo will look better. Swap them and again guaranteed the IPS + AMD combo will look better. It's not the video card so much as it is the display that affects the quality of color and sharpness of text these days.

 

[Zanovar]

Jesus chill

 

[f1sherman]

What you did was propose a test, differences were noted, now you proclaim your own test invalid.

Just piss off, seriously. Going to ignore you, because you're ignore worthy.

LOL

I just hope you didn't really expect a cookie for giving a correct answer AFTER card mfgs had already been identified - twice.

 

[geniusloci]

LOL

I just hope you didn't really expect a cookie for giving a correct answer AFTER card mfgs had already been identified - twice.

1) It didn't matter because I was scrolled down
2) I explained exactly where and how anyone here can note a very visible difference in those images that gives the amd reference more definition in the letter C
3) Again: Microsoft and Adobe BOTH back me on this < A subject you won't even touch

This is the internet kid, and yes, you lost.

 

[f1sherman]

Agreed.
You just scrolled down and delayed your answer.

At least Arkadrel was willing to play. Props to him

 

[bystander36]

1) It didn't matter because I was scrolled down
2) I explained exactly where and how anyone here can note a very visible difference in those images that gives the amd reference more definition in the letter C
3) Again: Microsoft and Adobe BOTH back me on this < A subject you won't even touch

This is the internet kid, and yes, you lost.

MS and Adobe said there can be differences, not that one is better.

 

[geniusloci]

Agreed.
You just scrolled down and delayed your answer.

At least Arkadrel was willing to play. Props to him

I have a life. Sorry that I'm not sitting here 24/7 at your beck and call. Oh wait, no I'm not.

 

[geniusloci]

MS and Adobe said there can be differences, not that one is better.

The one resulting in cleaner text IS BETTER. It doesn't have to be spelled out for anyone with sense.

I'll write to the guy from adobe and see if he will pop by and explain it to the stupid among you. *(read, all of you)

 

[bystander36]

The one resulting in cleaner text IS BETTER. It doesn't have to be spelled out for anyone with sense.

That is why ClearType exists, the item they explained, so you can calibrate it to what you like.

 

[f1sherman]

The one resulting in cleaner text IS BETTER. It doesn't have to be spelled out for anyone with sense.

Why are you digging yourself deeper and... deeper

Clear Font quality perception has nothing to do with NV/AMD

And it's about individual perception., and NOT about one being BETTER.

LOL you've just demonstrated that you're quoting the matter that you totally fail to understand.

This is the internet kid, and yes, you lost.

:sneaky:

 

[geniusloci]

That is why ClearType exists, the item they explained, so you can calibrate it to what you like.

In no instance can you tinker with cleartype and make the image appear as pleasing with nvidia as with amd.

I don't know why people fight this so viciously. I guess because it makes you feel inferior to not be able to tell? I probably can't taste or hear as well as some of you, but I'm not going to fucking argue it.

Nvidia has vastly inferior motion video decoding in windows as well, is it really that much of a stretch to many of you to assume amd is simply doing something better in many (select) aspects of IQ?

 

[geniusloci]

Why are you digging yourself deeper and... deeper

Clear Font quality perception has nothing to do with NV/AMD

And it's about individual perception., and NOT about one being BETTER.

LOL you've just demonstrated that you're quoting the matter that you totally fail to understand.



:sneaky:

When that individual perception is the ability to discern small differences in color better than another person, that makes me better able to differentiate image quality. This is a simple concept. I don't know why you are failing so miserably at it.

 

[bystander36]

When that individual perception is the ability to discern small differences in color better than another person, that makes me better able to differentiate image quality. This is a simple concept. I don't know why you are failing so miserably at it.

You assume that other people, even those who see the differences better than you, agree with what you consider better.