imac 27

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damn them for making my consumer experience so good, damn them to hell!!!!

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhjjq8T6CC1qe2zhmo1_500.gif

 

[dclive]

And I bet in true apple fashion I bet 10.7 will have 8 or so service packs that will completely rewrite the os in the next few years

That's a meaningless statement.

Are you able to address all of the holes I've drilled into your prior posts?

 

[alent1234]

OK, so you've now backtracked from your statement that Windows doesn't have a virus problem to this statement - that it's Adobe's fault. That's wrong too. Here are the facts from a major antivirus vendor: http://www.symantec.com/business/security_response/definitions/multipledaily/ -- chart shows most are trojans and worms, which would have nothing to do with Adobe whatsoever.



OK, so you've now backtracked from your statement that OS X doesn't have virtualization to here, where you acknowledge OS X has virtualization that works just fine, thanks, and you've added that Windows 7 "will let you do VDI". Is that correct?

Get your story straight. Every time I respond you move the goalposts.

If you look at the details of the list most of those are many years old and don't affect windows 7

 

[Ns1]

If you look at the details of the list most of those are many years old and don't affect windows 7

If you were looking for a reason to make the switch to Windows 7, you may have found it in form of Microsoft’s latest Security Intelligence Report. The document, available for public download at Microsoft’s Security Intelligence Report website, covers the state of Windows, application and web security in the year 2010.

Windows XP SP3 is showing an average infection rate of 15.9 computers per thousand. This figure drops to 7.5 on the most recent Vista version and 3.8 for Windows 7. The 64-bit editions of Vista and Windows 7 fare even better with 5.3 and 2.5 infections per thousand computers respectively.

http://www.ghacks.net/2011/05/14/microsoft-report-confirms-lower-infection-rate-on-windows-7/



I've never had to remove any type of malware from OSX devices, but I've removed a ton of malware from XP/Vista/Win7 devices

 

[alent1234]

And in 2011 malware is on the rise on so x

 

[dclive]

And in 2011 malware is on the rise on so x

From 1 all the way up to 2 (EDIT: 1.001) infections per million?

 

[dclive]

If you look at the details of the list most of those are many years old and don't affect windows 7

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...soft-issues-duqu-virus-workaround-for-windows

Like candy from a baby.....

 

[MagickMan]

And in 2011 malware is on the rise on so x

Why are you trolling the ATA forum? Go start something in general if you feel like being annoying.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

What do you mean Firefox "was no longer found installed" - it didn't exist in /Applications? Since there's no reason for this one package to move during a system reboot, that makes absolutely no sense. (The behavior, not your description.)

No, it wasn't there. Apple store employees couldn't explain this.

How did you force the menu bar to appear?

Two ways: Move mouse cursor to top of screen and repeatedly right-click. Number of times you have to click varies. Other method is to simply click on the Finder icon on the Dock.

I've never heard of this before. Googling found nothing at all similar to this. If you've installed no software (i.e. a virgin system) Apple should be able to tell you exactly what is wrong. What did the Apple employees suggest that you do? Try another one? Did this happen right after first boot up? A possible course would be to boot up a Mac in the store and confirm that didn't have this problem.

For the Wi-Fi: No hardware installed. For the menu bar not loading. For the choppy video. All Google results.

Sorry about hurting feelings, but honestly, if this were a major problem, Apple Geniuses would know about it, other people would know about it, it would be duplicating on all the 10.7 (I assume you ran 10.7) machines out there, etc. But it isn't. It's highly likely something else is going on.

The problem was duplicated on the second unit, and like the first unit the Apple store employees said, "this one is also going back to Engineering." Also, two other people were in the store at the same time I was there, with new iMacs and with issues. One of them on his third replacement unit.

One can see that there are threads/discussions on Apple's own discussion forums, on Mac Rumors, etc. I'm not blind to these, and I am glad I am not the only one experiencing them. Also, this isn't limited to iMacs as some of those with some of the same issues are on MBP. BTW, the Apple store at The Mall of Georgia, Gwinnett County, GA is where I did business.

 

[dclive]

No, it wasn't there. Apple store employees couldn't explain this.

Nor can I. All I would guess is a caching/disk issue where the OS thinks something is written and the disk doesn't finish the write before the reboot. If it happened a few milliseconds after writing Firefox, that would make sense. Otherwise, it doesn't.

For the Wi-Fi: No hardware installed. For the menu bar not loading. For the choppy video. All Google results.

I meant all at once, simultaneously. The wifi is an SMC problem, the rest, no idea.

The problem was duplicated on the second unit, and like the first unit the Apple store employees said, "this one is also going back to Engineering." Also, two other people were in the store at the same time I was there, with new iMacs and with issues. One of them on his third replacement unit.

One can see that there are threads/discussions on Apple's own discussion forums, on Mac Rumors, etc. I'm not blind to these, and I am glad I am not the only one experiencing them. Also, this isn't limited to iMacs as some of those with some of the same issues are on MBP. BTW, the Apple store at The Mall of Georgia, Gwinnett County, GA is where I did business.

I can only say I'm surprised ... I've currently got three (and just sold another, for four) without issue or incident, and I don't hear from other local Mac owners about issues. Sorry you had a problem...

 

[BarkingGhostar]

The wife and I were in Frys Electronics today shopping for a peripheral when I decided to see if their 27" iMac was running Lion. It was, but you couldn't use the iMac. The Magic Mouse was broken and the wireless keyboard unresponsive. The store employee said its been reported to the management, but they have no desire to fix the issue.

Sigh. Ok, so the wifi problem is an SMC issue. Can you elaborate? Is there something I could have done to overcome the issue? I was thinking that since cold boots presented problem conditions whereas reboots (or warm boots) did not, I wondered if something in the EFI wasn't loading something related to the bus.

I am only guessing here as I think the wifi, USB, and video all use the PCIe bus. Also, while I had hoped someone in the Apple store would point out anything this identified Apple newbie might be doing wrong, neither of them told me what the Frys employee told me about the Firefox thing.

I explained to him how I went about installing Firefox, and even using it and how it showed up as a Device, much like a USB thumb drive. He said, "all you had to do was drag it to the applications folder." I wonder if this would have made the install permanent.

All, I apologize for the seemingly highjacking of this thread. If anyone wishes, I can start a new thread and ask the moderators to relocate the posts accordingly. I really want to get to the end of this so my wife is up and running on the 27" iMac she has taking a liking to.

 

[dclive]

The wife and I were in Frys Electronics today shopping for a peripheral when I decided to see if their 27" iMac was running Lion. It was, but you couldn't use the iMac. The Magic Mouse was broken and the wireless keyboard unresponsive. The store employee said its been reported to the management, but they have no desire to fix the issue.

How lazy.

Sigh. Ok, so the wifi problem is an SMC issue. Can you elaborate? Is there something I could have done to overcome the issue? I was thinking that since cold boots presented problem conditions whereas reboots (or warm boots) did not, I wondered if something in the EFI wasn't loading something related to the bus.

Generally you reset the PRAM - this showed up as one of the top results in the google bit you posted for that issue.

I am only guessing here as I think the wifi, USB, and video all use the PCIe bus. Also, while I had hoped someone in the Apple store would point out anything this identified Apple newbie might be doing wrong, neither of them told me what the Frys employee told me about the Firefox thing.

It's clear to me now the Apple people you spoke with were floor cleaners or otherwise not at all technical.

I explained to him how I went about installing Firefox, and even using it and how it showed up as a Device, much like a USB thumb drive. He said, "all you had to do was drag it to the applications folder." I wonder if this would have made the install permanent.

I asked you:

"it didn't exist in /Applications? "

The Apple staff would have immediately seen this as a very basic problem. You don't install stuff to the Mac as much as just drag the file into /Applications. If you don't do this, of course it won't show up on the next reboot. That's not a problem though - that's by design.

All, I apologize for the seemingly highjacking of this thread. If anyone wishes, I can start a new thread and ask the moderators to relocate the posts accordingly. I really want to get to the end of this so my wife is up and running on the 27" iMac she has taking a liking to.

I suggest you find another one and then change one thing at a time until you see and then resolve each issue. Furthermore, as your local AppleCare store doesn't appear to have anyone technical, I suggest you call Apple's 1-800 number to resolve any issues.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

So, after reading this thread on Apple's forums, I can only say WOW. Because Bluetooth is sitting in Discoverable mode, it forces the system to boot into Safe Mode. The wifi, video, menu bar, etc. along with the observed progress bar, now makes me want to go buy a 3rd time, setup in store and test this out.

Simply not turning on the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse until the login screen afford the system to boot normally (and not into safe mode). But what stunned me was this was reported back in July, with posts continuing until the end of October.

While I get the folks in my nearest Apple store are technical, you would think something as simple as 'starting the KBM when login screen appears' would be a good behavior for sales staff to train buyers on. Of course, a simple technical bulletin to disable Bluetooth Discoverable setting once having a mated KBM seems easy, too.

Could the Safe mode on cold boot condition have caused the 3rd party s/w install issue? I need to make time this week to go to the Apple store and experiment.

 

[dclive]

Could the Safe mode on cold boot condition have caused the 3rd party s/w install issue? I need to make time this week to go to the Apple store and experiment.

Given you didn't copy the Firefox file to /Applications, there was no 3rd party software install issue, right?

 

[manly]

Given you didn't copy the Firefox file to /Applications, there was no 3rd party software install issue, right?

save the condescension for alent1234?

BarkingGhostar is new to Macs, but it's certainly not his fault the local Apple Store "Geniuses" are anything but. That Apple discussion thread makes it sound like an OS bug, the workaround shouldn't be necessary or well-documented.

Recently helped a friend buy a new 27" iMac with Lion pre-installed, no issues so far (knock on wood).

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Today I went back to the Apple store and purchased iMac #3, unboxed it in the store and started the setup. Unfortunately, this unit was on Snow Leopard, but I made the observation that SL did not have these problems. Unfortunately, the store technicians and I could not get SL to update at all.

Enter the store manager, he swaps out the unit for iMac #4, which was on Lion, and I demonstrate for him the issues I've experienced on units #1 and #2. He's floored. I disabled the Bluetooth Discoverable option, but that did not resolve the issue.

What one simply needs to do is NOT follow the iMac manual, which instructs users to power-On the KBM before powering the iMac on. Simply doing nothing until the iMac reached the login screen is sufficient to garner a normal cold boot sequence without any of the problems. :biggrin:

So, I took unit #4 home. I will test for stability over the next week and insure the only thing I need to continue to do is not power the KBM on before the login screen appears (unless I need to interrupt the boot sequence for things like the Recovery HD, etc.).

So, what happens to units #1, #2 and #3?

 

[dclive]

That doesn't explain why the second boot is fine, because obviously at that point (second boot) the keyboard is powered up.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

No it doesn't. Apple needs to explain this.

 

[TheStu]

No it doesn't. Apple needs to explain this.

Ok, just spit balling here.

Have you replaced the keyboard and mouse in all this?

 

[alent1234]

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...soft-issues-duqu-virus-workaround-for-windows

Like candy from a baby.....

and what about the new sandbox mode being hackable?

 

[alent1234]

Why are you trolling the ATA forum? Go start something in general if you feel like being annoying.

sorry, forgot that one of the reqs of owning apple devices is you are supposed to completely worship them and believe they are free from all defects

 

[alent1234]

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...soft-issues-duqu-virus-workaround-for-windows

Like candy from a baby.....

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA11-286A.html

http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/s...nth=-1&pub_date_start_year=-1&pub_date_end_mo

almost 1900 security issues just with 10.6

steve jobs died and took all the pixie dust with him

 

[Ns1]

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA11-286A.html

http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/s...nth=-1&pub_date_start_year=-1&pub_date_end_mo

almost 1900 security issues just with 10.6

steve jobs died and took all the pixie dust with him

and yet I have never known a single OSX user with malware issues.

 

[alent1234]

Ars did a story in the last few months about mac defender and supposedly interviewed some geniuses anonymously. they said they were seeing multiple customers per day with the issue

 

[Ns1]

Ars did a story in the last few months about mac defender and supposedly interviewed some geniuses anonymously. they said they were seeing multiple customers per day with the issue

I'm aware of the mac defender thing and I stand by my claim of never actually knowing anyone with OSX infected with malware

I cannot say the same for any variant of windows, regardless of the # of anti-malware programs installed.

Anecdotal as fuck but seems to line up with the general consensus.