I'm straight but find myself almost preferring the company of...

[GasX]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal. Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

Now, the fact you prefer to hang out with gay men, versus straight men is not really that odd, either. Straight men are in constant mental (and physical) battles with other men over their supposed and presumed masculinity. Gay men are usually content with themselves and most others, and not in some kind of constant, fake materialistic impression mode. They are not continuously trying to be more manly than every one else, and thus competing with you in conversation and the attention of females, like in a bar scene.

And with regards to bisexuality, we are an actively bisexual species. Just look at the behaviors of the higher mammals like apes and dolphins for a good example. You can not force one preference over the other, society and religion forces this on us. And the result is a lot of screwed up people who need therapy, booze or drugs for the rest of their lives just to cope with these mixed feelings towards both sexes. I think the more repressed a society is sexually, the higher the rates of random violence, and many studies can back up this theory.

Get out into the real world and experience some life, then get back to us with a theory not based on myspace blog theorists

By all means, I will let you continue with your important work researching myspace theorists. It is rather comical how you would infer that because you do not agree with an opinion, it must automatically be wrong and some how based on some myspace presumption of error. If myspace is an accurate indicator of a large cross section of public opinion, then it must not be wrong, making your failed presumption of my opinion flawed in its conception, professor.

Well if you want me to take a critical look at your suppositions, I can oblige you.

let's start with paragraph 1

Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal.

a straight man preferring to have gay friends is not normal at all. It is definitely outside the norm. Ask a hundred straight men how many close gay male friends they have and then rethink that opening boner remark.

Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

without getting into whether or not adolescence starts before puberty or vice versa, let's just say that a grown adult male does not spend all his time trying to bond with other males. He is to busy with his his job, his honey-do list and
his kids. A Young adult male is a bit closer to your comment as he is much more likely to living with roomates, hanging out with friends and the like, but to say that he spends the majority of his time seeking company of men is a reach and I am being generous. One other thing, how can a guy spend most of his time bonding with other men, when (in your world) puberty driven hormonal surges have, naturally, driven him to gravitate towards the opposite sex?

Paragraph two is just a blathering conjecture that screams that you are inserting your own self-conscious issues into your commentary.

Paragraph three is worse. Are we really a bisexual species? How many people do you really know that switch teams on a regular basis? How many of them don't have larger self-esteem issues? Why does looking at dolphins have any direct application to human sexuality? You can't force a preference but society does it. Which is it, you can or you cannot make up your mind? If I understand your point here is that humans are naturally bisexual because dolphins are and that because society pushes us to choose a side, we all end up with emotional issues and drinking problems?

If I was your teacher and this was homework, I'd be stocking up on red pens.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal. Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

Now, the fact you prefer to hang out with gay men, versus straight men is not really that odd, either. Straight men are in constant mental (and physical) battles with other men over their supposed and presumed masculinity. Gay men are usually content with themselves and most others, and not in some kind of constant, fake materialistic impression mode. They are not continuously trying to be more manly than every one else, and thus competing with you in conversation and the attention of females, like in a bar scene.

And with regards to bisexuality, we are an actively bisexual species. Just look at the behaviors of the higher mammals like apes and dolphins for a good example. You can not force one preference over the other, society and religion forces this on us. And the result is a lot of screwed up people who need therapy, booze or drugs for the rest of their lives just to cope with these mixed feelings towards both sexes. I think the more repressed a society is sexually, the higher the rates of random violence, and many studies can back up this theory.

Get out into the real world and experience some life, then get back to us with a theory not based on myspace blog theorists

By all means, I will let you continue with your important work researching myspace theorists. It is rather comical how you would infer that because you do not agree with an opinion, it must automatically be wrong and some how based on some myspace presumption of error. If myspace is an accurate indicator of a large cross section of public opinion, then it must not be wrong, making your failed presumption of my opinion flawed in its conception, professor.

Well if you want me to take a critical look at your suppositions, I can oblige you.

let's start with paragraph 1

Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal.

a straight man preferring to have gay friends is not normal at all. It is definitely outside the norm. Ask a hundred straight men how many close gay male friends they have and then rethink that opening boner remark.

Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

without getting into whether or not adolescence starts before puberty or vice versa, let's just say that a grown adult male does not spend all his time trying to bond with other males. He is to busy with his his job, his honey-do list and
his kids. A Young adult male is a bit closer to your comment as he is much more likely to living with roomates, hanging out with friends and the like, but to say that he spends the majority of his time seeking company of men is a reach and I am being generous. One other thing, how can a guy spend most of his time bonding with other men, when (in your world) puberty driven hormonal surges have, naturally, driven him to gravitate towards the opposite sex?

Paragraph two is just a blathering conjecture that screams that you are inserting your own self-conscious issues into your commentary.

Paragraph three is worse. Are we really a bisexual species? How many people do you really know that switch teams on a regular basis? How many of them don't have larger self-esteem issues? Why does looking at dolphins have any direct application to human sexuality? You can't force a preference but society does it. Which is it, you can or you cannot make up your mind? If I understand your point here is that humans are naturally bisexual because dolphins are and that because society pushes us to choose a side, we all end up with emotional issues and drinking problems?

If I was your teacher and this was homework, I'd be stocking up on red pens.

This guy's response is typical of someone who is trying to force something down someone's throat.

And regards to the animals, that's what I've always wondered all this time. I really don't see how just because an animal can be gay that would indicate that all humans gravitate towards bisexuality.

It's just an excuse, IMHO, from gays/bis that want to force their sexuailty upon everyone.

I personally don't have any close gay friends. I don't actively seek out gays either.

I have maybe one friend who may be in the closet but that's about it. Other than that, I don't have any gay friends.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal. Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

Now, the fact you prefer to hang out with gay men, versus straight men is not really that odd, either. Straight men are in constant mental (and physical) battles with other men over their supposed and presumed masculinity. Gay men are usually content with themselves and most others, and not in some kind of constant, fake materialistic impression mode. They are not continuously trying to be more manly than every one else, and thus competing with you in conversation and the attention of females, like in a bar scene.

And with regards to bisexuality, we are an actively bisexual species. Just look at the behaviors of the higher mammals like apes and dolphins for a good example. You can not force one preference over the other, society and religion forces this on us. And the result is a lot of screwed up people who need therapy, booze or drugs for the rest of their lives just to cope with these mixed feelings towards both sexes. I think the more repressed a society is sexually, the higher the rates of random violence, and many studies can back up this theory.

Get out into the real world and experience some life, then get back to us with a theory not based on myspace blog theorists

By all means, I will let you continue with your important work researching myspace theorists. It is rather comical how you would infer that because you do not agree with an opinion, it must automatically be wrong and some how based on some myspace presumption of error. If myspace is an accurate indicator of a large cross section of public opinion, then it must not be wrong, making your failed presumption of my opinion flawed in its conception, professor.

Well if you want me to take a critical look at your suppositions, I can oblige you.

let's start with paragraph 1

Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal.

a straight man preferring to have gay friends is not normal at all. It is definitely outside the norm. Ask a hundred straight men how many close gay male friends they have and then rethink that opening boner remark.

Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

without getting into whether or not adolescence starts before puberty or vice versa, let's just say that a grown adult male does not spend all his time trying to bond with other males. He is to busy with his his job, his honey-do list and
his kids. A Young adult male is a bit closer to your comment as he is much more likely to living with roomates, hanging out with friends and the like, but to say that he spends the majority of his time seeking company of men is a reach and I am being generous. One other thing, how can a guy spend most of his time bonding with other men, when (in your world) puberty driven hormonal surges have, naturally, driven him to gravitate towards the opposite sex?

Paragraph two is just a blathering conjecture that screams that you are inserting your own self-conscious issues into your commentary.

Paragraph three is worse. Are we really a bisexual species? How many people do you really know that switch teams on a regular basis? How many of them don't have larger self-esteem issues? Why does looking at dolphins have any direct application to human sexuality? You can't force a preference but society does it. Which is it, you can or you cannot make up your mind? If I understand your point here is that humans are naturally bisexual because dolphins are and that because society pushes us to choose a side, we all end up with emotional issues and drinking problems?

If I was your teacher and this was homework, I'd be stocking up on red pens.

This guy's response is typical of someone who is trying to force something down someone's throat.

And regards to the animals, that's what I've always wondered all this time. I really don't see how just because an animal can be gay that would indicate that all humans gravitate towards bisexuality.

It's just an excuse, IMHO, from gays/bis that want to force their sexuailty upon everyone.

I personally don't have any close gay friends. I don't actively seek out gays either.

I have maybe one friend who may be in the closet but that's about it. Other than that, I don't have any gay friends.

Are you shitting me? I've never seen a homosexual try to force his or her sexuality on anyone. I think that sounds like homophobic talk, to me.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal. Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

Now, the fact you prefer to hang out with gay men, versus straight men is not really that odd, either. Straight men are in constant mental (and physical) battles with other men over their supposed and presumed masculinity. Gay men are usually content with themselves and most others, and not in some kind of constant, fake materialistic impression mode. They are not continuously trying to be more manly than every one else, and thus competing with you in conversation and the attention of females, like in a bar scene.

And with regards to bisexuality, we are an actively bisexual species. Just look at the behaviors of the higher mammals like apes and dolphins for a good example. You can not force one preference over the other, society and religion forces this on us. And the result is a lot of screwed up people who need therapy, booze or drugs for the rest of their lives just to cope with these mixed feelings towards both sexes. I think the more repressed a society is sexually, the higher the rates of random violence, and many studies can back up this theory.

Get out into the real world and experience some life, then get back to us with a theory not based on myspace blog theorists

By all means, I will let you continue with your important work researching myspace theorists. It is rather comical how you would infer that because you do not agree with an opinion, it must automatically be wrong and some how based on some myspace presumption of error. If myspace is an accurate indicator of a large cross section of public opinion, then it must not be wrong, making your failed presumption of my opinion flawed in its conception, professor.

Well if you want me to take a critical look at your suppositions, I can oblige you.

let's start with paragraph 1

Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal.

a straight man preferring to have gay friends is not normal at all. It is definitely outside the norm. Ask a hundred straight men how many close gay male friends they have and then rethink that opening boner remark.

Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

without getting into whether or not adolescence starts before puberty or vice versa, let's just say that a grown adult male does not spend all his time trying to bond with other males. He is to busy with his his job, his honey-do list and
his kids. A Young adult male is a bit closer to your comment as he is much more likely to living with roomates, hanging out with friends and the like, but to say that he spends the majority of his time seeking company of men is a reach and I am being generous. One other thing, how can a guy spend most of his time bonding with other men, when (in your world) puberty driven hormonal surges have, naturally, driven him to gravitate towards the opposite sex?

Paragraph two is just a blathering conjecture that screams that you are inserting your own self-conscious issues into your commentary.

Paragraph three is worse. Are we really a bisexual species? How many people do you really know that switch teams on a regular basis? How many of them don't have larger self-esteem issues? Why does looking at dolphins have any direct application to human sexuality? You can't force a preference but society does it. Which is it, you can or you cannot make up your mind? If I understand your point here is that humans are naturally bisexual because dolphins are and that because society pushes us to choose a side, we all end up with emotional issues and drinking problems?

If I was your teacher and this was homework, I'd be stocking up on red pens.

This guy's response is typical of someone who is trying to force something down someone's throat.

And regards to the animals, that's what I've always wondered all this time. I really don't see how just because an animal can be gay that would indicate that all humans gravitate towards bisexuality.

It's just an excuse, IMHO, from gays/bis that want to force their sexuailty upon everyone.

I personally don't have any close gay friends. I don't actively seek out gays either.

I have maybe one friend who may be in the closet but that's about it. Other than that, I don't have any gay friends.

Are you shitting me? I've never seen a homosexual try to force his or her sexuality on anyone. I think that sounds like homophobic talk, to me.

Not necessarily in real life but I see it all the time on forums.

This guy's response is typical.

Typical response is something along the lines of: We're all gay, we have gay animals like monkeys, so that means that we're all gay and that we just choose one side over the other. Just enjoy yourself, you're gay and it's okay!

I know I'm not gay. I know I'm not bi-sexual. I know I don't yearn for any penis or an emotional relationship with a guy.

And then another posted in this thread said that I bet we all have one person we'd go gay for.

Sorry but I don't. Not even Johnny Depp. Sure I can honestly say he's a stud, he's a great looking guy but to go gay for? No man, sorry, that's just not possible.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Not strange at all. In fact, it is normal. Males spend most of their lives trying to bond with other males. Just look at adolescents. Females and males group together for support, the other sex has kooties and is to be avoided at all costs. Then, when puberty kicks in, most gravitate towards the opposite sex naturally, as hormones take over.

Now, the fact you prefer to hang out with gay men, versus straight men is not really that odd, either. Straight men are in constant mental (and physical) battles with other men over their supposed and presumed masculinity. Gay men are usually content with themselves and most others, and not in some kind of constant, fake materialistic impression mode. They are not continuously trying to be more manly than every one else, and thus competing with you in conversation and the attention of females, like in a bar scene.

And with regards to bisexuality, we are an actively bisexual species. Just look at the behaviors of the higher mammals like apes and dolphins for a good example. You can not force one preference over the other, society and religion forces this on us. And the result is a lot of screwed up people who need therapy, booze or drugs for the rest of their lives just to cope with these mixed feelings towards both sexes. I think the more repressed a society is sexually, the higher the rates of random violence, and many studies can back up this theory.

I agree with some of what you've said, but I don't think it's necessarily about the company of gay or straight men. What matters is the personality and attitude of those people. I have plenty of empathetic hetero male friends who don't try to be macho assholes. And I have met some pretty pushy gay guys. You can have different personality types for any orientation.

Yes, we are all bisexual to a degree. The issue is one of classification. Humans like to classify things into neat compartments, as it makes our world easier to comprehend (eg. Johnny is gay, Susan is Black, Rob is disabled, Mildred is a Right-Winger, etc.). The world is not so cut and dried; thus these generalizations never completely fit. For example, there are many people of mixed ethnicities.

We are all on a spectrum - some of us skew more to the hetero range, some to the homo range. Of course, people get their backs up about admitting any kind of homosexuality because society represses it, but it exists. And as you pointed out, there are psychological and corporeal consequences.

To the OP, it doesn't matter how gay or hetero you are, or how gay or hetero your friends are. Respect yourself and hang out with people who share your interests and respect you.

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I dont have any gay friends, but I have no problem hanging out with them. A couple years ago, I went out to a gay bar/club with a few straight friends and a few gay friends. I had a decent time.

Hrmm, you don't have any gay friends, but you went to a bar/club with a few gay friends.

Ok, which is it?

It's ok, you can come out of the closet now. We won't bite, well, not too hard.

For realz. And krunchy gives *me* a hard time for hanging out at Dupont Circle!

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I lived in the SF Bay Area and, unless I actively sought them out, I wasn't going to have many encounters with gay men. To be exposed to a sample of any magnitutde you'd need to deliberately place yourself right in the middle of that scene.

I work in retail, assistant manager of a 7-11, so I see a LOT of people in the course of a work day. Since this is also a gay friendly neighbourhood a lot of those people are openly gay. I like to talk with my customers so it's only natural that I would meet a lot of gay people this way.

 

[mooglemania85]

What, you're willing to hang out with a guy like Andy Dick just because he's gay and "makes for a better friend?" Snicker. How about Rosie O'Donnell? Just because your homosexual doesn't mean you're all sugar and spice.

Broad generalizations about race, sexual preference, etc. are just a convenient way to classify things.

If you want to make friends with some of the people you meet at 7-11, go for it. But don't attemt to be friends with them simply because you think they are gay.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: mooglemania85
What, you're willing to hang out with a guy like Andy Dick just because he's gay and "makes for a better friend?" Snicker. How about Rosie O'Donnell? Just because your homosexual doesn't mean you're all sugar and spice.

Broad generalizations about race, sexual preference, etc. are just a convenient way to classify things.

If you want to make friends with some of the people you meet at 7-11, go for it. But don't attemt to be friends with them simply because you think they are gay.

Umm no I've met a lot of gay ass holes as well. I simply meant that those that I find to be the friendliest, easiest to talk to, most engaging and most fun people usually though not always tend to be gay.

 

[mooglemania85]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: mooglemania85
What, you're willing to hang out with a guy like Andy Dick just because he's gay and "makes for a better friend?" Snicker. How about Rosie O'Donnell? Just because your homosexual doesn't mean you're all sugar and spice.

Broad generalizations about race, sexual preference, etc. are just a convenient way to classify things.

If you want to make friends with some of the people you meet at 7-11, go for it. But don't attemt to be friends with them simply because you think they are gay.

Umm no I've met a lot of gay ass holes as well. I simply meant that those that I find to be the friendliest, easiest to talk to, most engaging and most fun people usually though not always tend to be gay.

So what exactly was the point of this thread? You want to make more friends? Go for it. If your thread was meant to imply that you are curious about crossing-over or experimenting, there are probably other forums that could answer the type of questions running through your mind at this time.

 

[needalife]

Stop judging the whole gay population. You've not even met 1% of them.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Well, I lived in the SF Bay Area and, unless I actively sought them out, I wasn't going to have many encounters with gay men. To be exposed to a sample of any magnitutde you'd need to deliberately place yourself right in the middle of that scene.

I work in retail, assistant manager of a 7-11, so I see a LOT of people in the course of a work day. Since this is also a gay friendly neighbourhood a lot of those people are openly gay. I like to talk with my customers so it's only natural that I would meet a lot of gay people this way.

So asking for a Slurpie could mean something different there