im so tired of nvidia image quality...

[Snakexor]

my 6800gt on the highest image quality pales in compairison to my older ati products...and i looking to get an ati product to trade out for my 6800gt....

currently i can get the x800xl and the x850pro in agp for about 250 at my job...this is pretty much the amount of $$ i will get for my 6800gt by selling it to my brother....

my question is...will an overclocked x800xl be faster than the x850pro...or vice-versa??

idc about shader model 3...so dont count that, i just want to know which will be fast between those two...

also do the ati silencers have the same memory cooling problems that the nv silencers have?? i want to sell the 6800 with the vf-700 on there to my brother, i dont feel like taking it off

thanks

 

[M0RPH]

Not sure about the performace difference between those 2 cards, but you really should wait a month or two and see how the R520 turns out.

 

[Snakexor]

will there be an r520 agp card?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Snakexor
will there be an r520 agp card?

Apparently. Probably not right away tho. Bank on at least 6 months from now.

 

[volrathy]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Snakexor
will there be an r520 agp card?

Apparently. Probably not right away tho. Bank on at least 6 months from now.

I dont even think that there will be a r520. They might just skip that core and write there losses off. No one in their right mind would spend $1000 on an r520 when the r580 is going to be released right after it.

 

[isekii]

x800xl isn't that good of an overclocker

 

[hemmy]

To each his own my FX 5600 ultra did have worse iq than my 9800pro, but my 6800 is identical, you can get a refurb x800pro with 3yr warranty from www.ati.com store for around $190 shipped

 

[nitromullet]

Maybe you should PM this guy...

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1679045&enterthread=y

He might be willing to trade his red for your green.

 

[Gamingphreek]

my 6800gt on the highest image quality pales in compairison to my older ati products...and i looking to get an ati product to trade out for my 6800gt....

Any examples? Last i checked the FX series had some AF problems, but the NV35 and above helped that out. The 6 series, aside from the slight flickering problem (which is being fixed as we speak, and is a mip-transition bug) is the only other thing that is "wrong" with the series. Other than that IQ is on par with ATI. It would seem to me, no offense if it isn't your intention, that you are just indirectly starting another thread, about IQ and ATI vs. Nvidia; or trying to cause problems.

Honestly, there is no point in selling you 6800GT for an XL or XT.

#1. Almost no IQ difference (except flickering, get the latest beta drivers, and it should fix most if not all of it on the 6 series)
#2. With the XL SLIGHTLY worse performance. With the XT a little over ~10% better performance, but nothing that will render one game playable and one game unplayable.

As for your questions, the X800XL will beat the X850Pro. The Pro only has 12 Pixel Pipelines, and merely ramps up clockspeeds. The XL would be a much better choice, but does not offer much headroom in clockspeed (Newer 110nm process, Isn't Low-K Dielectric)

As for the Deals at the ATI store, from what i understand they are back ordered for a long time on the XT. THe Pro is said to ship out in reasonable time, but i see no reason in downgrading to an X800Pro.

Stick with your card.

-Kevin

 

[hans030390]

GAH! you dont get it! the IQ difference is so minimal (if even there)

besides, you have shader model 3 right now, so going to an ati card is kinda degrading since there will be no noticable, if ANY, IQ increase.

 

[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: Snakexor
my question is...will an overclocked x800xl be faster than the x850pro...or vice-versa??

idc about shader model 3...so dont count that

also do the ati silencers have the same memory cooling problems that the nv silencers have?? i want to sell the 6800 with the vf-700 on there to my brother, i dont feel like taking it off

thanks

i am not starting a flame war, you guys are...i just want to know if an o/cd x850pro at reasonable reachable clock speeds would be faster or slower for an equally reasonable overclocked speed of an x800xl (ie both getting ~5% of max overclocks seen around the internet....)

 

[xtknight]

I'd take FP32 HDR/displacement mapping for a small shimmering issue that's likely to be fixed.

 

[johnnqq]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

my 6800gt on the highest image quality pales in compairison to my older ati products...and i looking to get an ati product to trade out for my 6800gt....

Any examples? Last i checked the FX series had some AF problems, but the NV35 and above helped that out. The 6 series, aside from the slight flickering problem (which is being fixed as we speak, and is a mip-transition bug) is the only other thing that is "wrong" with the series. Other than that IQ is on par with ATI. It would seem to me, no offense if it isn't your intention, that you are just indirectly starting another thread, about IQ and ATI vs. Nvidia; or trying to cause problems.

Honestly, there is no point in selling you 6800GT for an XL or XT.

#1. Almost no IQ difference (except flickering, get the latest beta drivers, and it should fix most if not all of it on the 6 series)
#2. With the XL SLIGHTLY worse performance. With the XT a little over ~10% better performance, but nothing that will render one game playable and one game unplayable.

As for your questions, the X800XL will beat the X850Pro. The Pro only has 12 Pixel Pipelines, and merely ramps up clockspeeds. The XL would be a much better choice, but does not offer much headroom in clockspeed (Newer 110nm process, Isn't Low-K Dielectric)

As for the Deals at the ATI store, from what i understand they are back ordered for a long time on the XT. THe Pro is said to ship out in reasonable time, but i see no reason in downgrading to an X800Pro.

Stick with your card.

-Kevin

^ fanboy

don't get a pro. that is a serious downgrade. contrary to what the fanboy above says, the xl is a tad faster in some games and a tad slower in others. i can't tell you how much better the image quality woudl be bc i have never seen them both side by side, but www.hardocp.com had a few reviews stating that the image quality WAS better (and it was noticeable in the pictures too). you can find xl's for about 280 from newegg, and i'm sure there are cheaper places to get them. see if that x800xt refurb deal is still around. 230 for that card is a STEAL and it will outperform the gt in MOST games.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: isekii
x800xl isn't that good of an overclocker

yeah 10% is the only realistic bet with te x800xl, you wont get much further. but i dont think the x850pro's clock speed is enough to make up 4 pipes

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

my 6800gt on the highest image quality pales in compairison to my older ati products...and i looking to get an ati product to trade out for my 6800gt....

Any examples? Last i checked the FX series had some AF problems, but the NV35 and above helped that out. The 6 series, aside from the slight flickering problem (which is being fixed as we speak, and is a mip-transition bug) is the only other thing that is "wrong" with the series. Other than that IQ is on par with ATI. It would seem to me, no offense if it isn't your intention, that you are just indirectly starting another thread, about IQ and ATI vs. Nvidia; or trying to cause problems.

Honestly, there is no point in selling you 6800GT for an XL or XT.

#1. Almost no IQ difference (except flickering, get the latest beta drivers, and it should fix most if not all of it on the 6 series)
#2. With the XL SLIGHTLY worse performance. With the XT a little over ~10% better performance, but nothing that will render one game playable and one game unplayable.

As for your questions, the X800XL will beat the X850Pro. The Pro only has 12 Pixel Pipelines, and merely ramps up clockspeeds. The XL would be a much better choice, but does not offer much headroom in clockspeed (Newer 110nm process, Isn't Low-K Dielectric)

As for the Deals at the ATI store, from what i understand they are back ordered for a long time on the XT. THe Pro is said to ship out in reasonable time, but i see no reason in downgrading to an X800Pro.

Stick with your card.

-Kevin

yeah check some reviews out, at places like HardOCP, Xbit, Bit-tech etc.....especiall ones with IQ comparisons. i am under the impression that its pretty much 6 and two 3's ATi win some, Nvidia Win some. there isnt a definate "one manufacturer" is better than the other all the time

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Snakexor
my 6800gt on the highest image quality pales in compairison to my older ati products...and i looking to get an ati product to trade out for my 6800gt....

currently i can get the x800xl and the x850pro in agp for about 250 at my job...this is pretty much the amount of $$ i will get for my 6800gt by selling it to my brother....

my question is...will an overclocked x800xl be faster than the x850pro...or vice-versa??

idc about shader model 3...so dont count that, i just want to know which will be fast between those two...

also do the ati silencers have the same memory cooling problems that the nv silencers have?? i want to sell the 6800 with the vf-700 on there to my brother, i dont feel like taking it off

thanks

Let me guess, you bought a low-end garbage brand with poor quality 2d filtering and blame nvidia for IQ (or lack thereof).

Solution 1: Use DVI
Solution 2: Buy a different nvidia card, from an OEM that doesnt suck, they cost more for a reason
Solution 3: try to start a flamewar on the video forums blaming a graphics chip maker for your mistake.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Snakexor

Originally posted by: Snakexor
my question is...will an overclocked x800xl be faster than the x850pro...or vice-versa??

idc about shader model 3...so dont count that

also do the ati silencers have the same memory cooling problems that the nv silencers have?? i want to sell the 6800 with the vf-700 on there to my brother, i dont feel like taking it off

thanks

i am not starting a flame war, you guys are...i just want to know if an o/cd x850pro at reasonable reachable clock speeds would be faster or slower for an equally reasonable overclocked speed of an x800xl (ie both getting ~5% of max overclocks seen around the internet....)

Lets get real. You have been registered since February. Been here long enough to know what kind of reaction you would get with this provacative title and first post. You may try to convince some of us otherwise, but it's not happening. Nice try though.

Cheers.

 

[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Snakexor
my 6800gt on the highest image quality pales in compairison to my older ati products...and i looking to get an ati product to trade out for my 6800gt....

currently i can get the x800xl and the x850pro in agp for about 250 at my job...this is pretty much the amount of $$ i will get for my 6800gt by selling it to my brother....

my question is...will an overclocked x800xl be faster than the x850pro...or vice-versa??

idc about shader model 3...so dont count that, i just want to know which will be fast between those two...

also do the ati silencers have the same memory cooling problems that the nv silencers have?? i want to sell the 6800 with the vf-700 on there to my brother, i dont feel like taking it off

thanks

Let me guess, you bought a low-end garbage brand with poor quality 2d filtering and blame nvidia for IQ (or lack thereof).

Solution 1: Use DVI
Solution 2: Buy a different nvidia card, from an OEM that doesnt suck, they cost more for a reason
Solution 3: try to start a flamewar on the video forums blaming a graphics chip maker for your mistake.

aight hot shot, im using dvi on a samsung 930b. my card is made by bfg, and last time i checked, they werent "that brand" just better than xfx .

lastly, im not starting a flame war, i wanted you guys two answer the two questions i quoted....that is all

 

[Malladine]

Snake - if you change can you post examples of the crappy IQ and the superior ATI IQ?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Malladine
Snake - if you change can you post examples of the crappy IQ and the superior ATI IQ?

Id love to see this, since i run them side by side daily and cant tell the difference AT ALL.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Snakexor

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Snakexor
my 6800gt on the highest image quality pales in compairison to my older ati products...and i looking to get an ati product to trade out for my 6800gt....

currently i can get the x800xl and the x850pro in agp for about 250 at my job...this is pretty much the amount of $$ i will get for my 6800gt by selling it to my brother....

my question is...will an overclocked x800xl be faster than the x850pro...or vice-versa??

idc about shader model 3...so dont count that, i just want to know which will be fast between those two...

also do the ati silencers have the same memory cooling problems that the nv silencers have?? i want to sell the 6800 with the vf-700 on there to my brother, i dont feel like taking it off

thanks

Let me guess, you bought a low-end garbage brand with poor quality 2d filtering and blame nvidia for IQ (or lack thereof).

Solution 1: Use DVI
Solution 2: Buy a different nvidia card, from an OEM that doesnt suck, they cost more for a reason
Solution 3: try to start a flamewar on the video forums blaming a graphics chip maker for your mistake.

aight hot shot, im using dvi on a samsung 930b. my card is made by bfg, and last time i checked, they werent "that brand" just better than xfx .

lastly, im not starting a flame war, i wanted you guys two answer the two questions i quoted....that is all

hot shot? i run ATi and Nv systems side by side, on the same display, nearly every day (friend i game with has an X800XL). The IQ is identical short of AF failing miserbly on ATi at certain angles, and the occasional AF shimmering at very long clip distances in WoW and BF2 on NV.

Please explain to me the piss poor IQ that is appearently plagueing your 6800GT. Because i think youre a fanboi looking for flame war.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: johnnqq

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

my 6800gt on the highest image quality pales in compairison to my older ati products...and i looking to get an ati product to trade out for my 6800gt....

Any examples? Last i checked the FX series had some AF problems, but the NV35 and above helped that out. The 6 series, aside from the slight flickering problem (which is being fixed as we speak, and is a mip-transition bug) is the only other thing that is "wrong" with the series. Other than that IQ is on par with ATI. It would seem to me, no offense if it isn't your intention, that you are just indirectly starting another thread, about IQ and ATI vs. Nvidia; or trying to cause problems.

Honestly, there is no point in selling you 6800GT for an XL or XT.

#1. Almost no IQ difference (except flickering, get the latest beta drivers, and it should fix most if not all of it on the 6 series)
#2. With the XL SLIGHTLY worse performance. With the XT a little over ~10% better performance, but nothing that will render one game playable and one game unplayable.

As for your questions, the X800XL will beat the X850Pro. The Pro only has 12 Pixel Pipelines, and merely ramps up clockspeeds. The XL would be a much better choice, but does not offer much headroom in clockspeed (Newer 110nm process, Isn't Low-K Dielectric)

As for the Deals at the ATI store, from what i understand they are back ordered for a long time on the XT. THe Pro is said to ship out in reasonable time, but i see no reason in downgrading to an X800Pro.

Stick with your card.

-Kevin

^ fanboy

don't get a pro. that is a serious downgrade. contrary to what the fanboy above says, the xl is a tad faster in some games and a tad slower in others. i can't tell you how much better the image quality woudl be bc i have never seen them both side by side, but www.hardocp.com had a few reviews stating that the image quality WAS better (and it was noticeable in the pictures too). you can find xl's for about 280 from newegg, and i'm sure there are cheaper places to get them. see if that x800xt refurb deal is still around. 230 for that card is a STEAL and it will outperform the gt in MOST games.

Your comment makes no sense.

I said that the Pro is a serious downgrade. I also said that the 6800GT is, on average, a better card than the X800XL. That doesn't mean it dominates, that means it wins a majority (>50%) of the benchmarks.

Also as for IQ, i think that Acanthus does an awesome job when he says:

i run ATi and Nv systems side by side, on the same display, nearly every day (friend i game with has an X800XL). The IQ is identical short of AF failing miserbly on ATi at certain angles, and the occasional AF shimmering at very long clip distances in WoW and BF2 on NV.

Please explain to me the piss poor IQ that is appearently plagueing your 6800GT. Because i think youre a fanboi looking for flame war.

I also think that i worded my post incorrectly. When i said ~10% better performance, i was referring to the XT beating the XT by at least 10% in almost all scenarios.

I also never said the XT wasn't an awesome deal. I did say it is a long back order, and is stupid to buy when your 6800GT does just fine in almost anything at almost any setting. The XT will get you nothing but a ~10% increase (sometimes more) in performance.

-Kevin

 

[VIAN]

What older ATI technology? 6800 series on High Quality had better filtering than X8x0 series and equal to to 9800 series.

 

[johnnqq]

the guy wants to find an ati card, not why he SHOULDN'T find one...this thread is cluttered with fanboys...

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: johnnqq
the guy wants to find an ati card, not why he SHOULDN'T find one...this thread is cluttered with fanboys...

yeah

to the OP

an X800XL is the card thats pitted against the 6800GT, so if you want a ATi card then thats the one to get IMO

the 12pipe pro just doesnt cut it for me