I'm proof that even an idiot can run Linux

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Anyone heard of the Symphony OS? The MEzzo desktop enviroment seems very innovatibe and friendly at first glace.

it seems like an interesting concept, but the install disk wouldn't boot on any of my machines

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Random Variable
The YaST setup tool makes installing software quite simple. All you do is direct it to a URL and it does the rest. I used it to install Firefox 2 (which doesn't come with SUSE Linux 10.1).

Why aren't you using 10.2?

 

[doog519]

Why not just dump Linux

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2074985,00.asp



"Free" 64 bit 10.2 Suse linux with 3D XGL and multiple desktops.... rules!
And I'm never going back.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: doog519
Why not just dump Linux

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2074985,00.asp



"Free" 64 bit 10.2 Suse linux with 3D XGL and multiple desktops rules!
And I'm never going back.

Who would want to go back to Windows after experiencing what a true OS should be?!

 

[Nothinman]

Who would want to go back to Windows after experiencing what a true OS should be?!

Did you even read the article?

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Who would want to go back to Windows after experiencing what a true OS should be?!

Did you even read the article?

ill bet he didnt read past the first line on the post

 

[doog519]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
now break it, and try to repair your install.

What is there to break no virus's or spy ware. Not to mention no BSOD.
solid like a rock...And the 64 bit flies.

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
You'll be back

Don't think so

Originally posted by: Random Variable
Installing OpenGL drivers seemed unnecessarily complicated. You had to do everything through the command-line terminal.

Go to Nvidia site and download driver and linux installs the driver for you. No command line there.

 

[Nothinman]

Go to Nvidia site and download driver and linux installs the driver for you. No command line there.

Don't use the driver from nVidia's site, it doesn't play nice with the package management and will result in a broken system eventually. Every distro packages the drivers anyway so there's no need.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Originally posted by: Random Variable
The YaST setup tool makes installing software quite simple. All you do is direct it to a URL and it does the rest. I used it to install Firefox 2 (which doesn't come with SUSE Linux 10.1).

Why aren't you using 10.2?

My DSL connection isn't all that fast, and the boxed version of 10.2 wasn't available a couple of weeks ago.

 

[doog519]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Don't use the driver from nVidia's site, it doesn't play nice with the package management and will result in a broken system eventually. Every distro packages the drivers anyway so there's no need.

That's not really true.
This is an update driver that came out after 10.2 realese

Release Date: December 4, 2006
Linux Display Driver - x86. 64

Version: 1.0-9631
Operating System: Linux x86 64bit

* Fixed an OpenGL crash on some GeForce 3 and GeForce 4 GPUs.
* Fixed an X server crash starting some fullscreen OpenGL games.
* Improved interaction with newer Linux kernels.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: doog519

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
now break it, and try to repair your install.

What is there to break no virus's or spy ware. Not to mention no BSOD.
solid like a rock...And the 64 bit flies.

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
You'll be back

Don't think so

Originally posted by: Random Variable
Installing OpenGL drivers seemed unnecessarily complicated. You had to do everything through the command-line terminal.

Go to Nvidia site and download driver and linux installs the driver for you. No command line there.

By break he means somehow messing around with a vital configuration file or library and then having the fun job of figuring out what happened and fixing it.

No matter how stable linux is, you can't cure stupidity. If you screw around with the operating system (as root for example) you can very much break it quite easily.

In fact, easiest way to destroy linux.

su to root

rm -rf /

(do NOT try this command on a good system.)


edit: I should also mention, easiest way to destroy windows

deltree c:\*.*

Same disclaimer applies

 

[Nothinman]

That's not really true.
This is an update driver that came out after 10.2 realese

Ah but it is true, if you look in nVidia's package you'll see that they replace several Xorg files (glx stuff mainly) with their own files. So what happens when you get your next Xorg update? Either it replaces those files with the Xorg versions or it doesn't, either way you've got mismatched files with either your copy of Xorg or the nvidia module. There's no way to determine what will actually happen, it might work fine and it might break Xorg completely.

 

[drag]

It usually breaks X. It's difficult to go from nvidia packages supplied by your distro, or go with the Nvidia installation binary.

They are mutually exclusive. You will have bad luck installing both the nvidia installer and the packaged drivers.

The packaged binaries supplied by yoru distro are easier to handle.. they generally do a ok job making sure that they work in between updates. Not always perfect, but generally ok.

The downside is that these packaged drivers are going to usually be out of date.

So if you want latest drivers you are going to have to install using the Nvidia supplied automated installer. If you choose to go this route then it is going to break X when your update X.org and it will break X when you update your kernel. So you will have to make sure that you have the Nvidia installer aviable when ever you update so you can reinstall it.

IF you want to avoid that then you'll have to purchase a Intel 945g motherboard with integrated graphics. The g965 will have the GMA X3000 which should provide better performance, but you will have to wait until the next round of distro releases to get a fairly trouble-free install. Using something like that that supports open source 3d drivers means that this sort of stuff works out of the box with little to no effort on yourself. Also distributions will be able to help you and you can usually find patches or do driver upgrades to fix your problems.

 

[sjandrewbsme]

Originally posted by: halik
Great,
let me know when you actually wanna use it and realize you can't change the resolution, get firewire hdd to work or enable multimonitor setup.

Linux is great for screwing around with, but hardly useful when your productivity matters.

I agree.

If I value my time at anything, it costs me money to run linux. I've installed several distros and I can eventually get them to work after hours screwing around finding drivers, mounting drives, configuring browser plugins, printers et cetera et cetera.

I look at linux like Latin. I would love to know how to speak it, but I can accomplish what I want just fine with english.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Who would want to go back to Windows after experiencing what a true OS should be?!

Did you even read the article?

I was responding to what he said and not to the article (which I DID read).

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Who would want to go back to Windows after experiencing what a true OS should be?!

Did you even read the article?

ill bet he didnt read past the first line on the post

His sarcasm ended the moment he mentioned the 3D effects with Suse.

The article (which I'm not sure you read), was a sarcastic joke done by who ever wrote it. They were actually proving that Linux was an excellent operating system by making lame excuses that pointed to Linux being better.

 

[greylica]

Originally posted by: drag

It usually breaks X. It's difficult to go from nvidia packages supplied by your distro, or go with the Nvidia installation binary.

They are mutually exclusive. You will have bad luck installing both the nvidia installer and the packaged drivers.

The packaged binaries supplied by yoru distro are easier to handle.. they generally do a ok job making sure that they work in between updates. Not always perfect, but generally ok.

The downside is that these packaged drivers are going to usually be out of date.

So if you want latest drivers you are going to have to install using the Nvidia supplied automated installer. If you choose to go this route then it is going to break X when your update X.org and it will break X when you update your kernel. So you will have to make sure that you have the Nvidia installer aviable when ever you update so you can reinstall it.

IF you want to avoid that then you'll have to purchase a Intel 945g motherboard with integrated graphics. The g965 will have the GMA X3000 which should provide better performance, but you will have to wait until the next round of distro releases to get a fairly trouble-free install. Using something like that that supports open source 3d drivers means that this sort of stuff works out of the box with little to no effort on yourself. Also distributions will be able to help you and you can usually find patches or do driver upgrades to fix your problems.

Nvidia and ATI, always causing the same problems... Nvidia at least is stable and easy with some distros.

 

[greylica]

Originally posted by: sjandrewbsme

Originally posted by: halik
Great,
let me know when you actually wanna use it and realize you can't change the resolution, get firewire hdd to work or enable multimonitor setup.

Linux is great for screwing around with, but hardly useful when your productivity matters.

I agree.

If I value my time at anything, it costs me money to run linux. I've installed several distros and I can eventually get them to work after hours screwing around finding drivers, mounting drives, configuring browser plugins, printers et cetera et cetera.

I look at linux like Latin. I would love to know how to speak it, but I can accomplish what I want just fine with english.

My answer

http://200.213.105.41/greysilica/snapshot4.jpg

Linux increased my productivity in 30% over windows, does not need maintenance and is very very lighter.Linux do not bother me and do not chastise me !

 

[doog519]

Originally posted by: sjandrewbsme
I agree.

If I value my time at anything, it costs me money to run linux. I've installed several distros and I can eventually get them to work after hours screwing around finding drivers, mounting drives, configuring browser plugins, printers et cetera et cetera.

Anytime when you update your kernel you need to reinstall your video driver which is no big deal.

I just installed Suse on a new hard drive I got for Christmas. "In 29 minutes" That was including installing all of the updates.
How long would it take to install windows add driver updates and then you need to install office and maybe Photoshop etc?

 

[Nothinman]

I agree.

If I value my time at anything, it costs me money to run linux. I've installed several distros and I can eventually get them to work after hours screwing around finding drivers, mounting drives, configuring browser plugins, printers et cetera et cetera.

I look at linux like Latin. I would love to know how to speak it, but I can accomplish what I want just fine with english.

Learning anything new takes time but once you become proficient with it you can save a lot of time. Everything you said that you have to spend hours doing in Linux you have to do in Windows too except manually mounting drives, but that's pretty minor IMO. I can build myself a Linux machine in probably half the time it takes me to build a Windows machine, just the mere fact that Linux comes with all of my software and drivers (most importantly the NIC) out of the box is huge since you can't download any other drivers if the NIC doesn't work like usually happens in a Windows install.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: greylica
http://200.213.105.41/greysilica/snapshot4.jpg

If you're using Linux, why do you have the FreeBSD daemon on there?

 

[sjandrewbsme]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

I agree.

If I value my time at anything, it costs me money to run linux. I've installed several distros and I can eventually get them to work after hours screwing around finding drivers, mounting drives, configuring browser plugins, printers et cetera et cetera.

I look at linux like Latin. I would love to know how to speak it, but I can accomplish what I want just fine with english.

Learning anything new takes time but once you become proficient with it you can save a lot of time. Everything you said that you have to spend hours doing in Linux you have to do in Windows too except manually mounting drives, but that's pretty minor IMO. I can build myself a Linux machine in probably half the time it takes me to build a Windows machine, just the mere fact that Linux comes with all of my software and drivers (most importantly the NIC) out of the box is huge since you can't download any other drivers if the NIC doesn't work like usually happens in a Windows install.

I've tried Linux several times, and I just don't think it offers anything for me now. I don't want to spend time to learn how to mount drives or the other incredibly arcane command-line stuff that's still largely necessary for Linux.

I'm not here to argue that XP is better as I don't know that to be a fact. What I can say is that XP, for me, is significantly easier, faster, cheaper, and better for what I do.

 

[sjandrewbsme]

Originally posted by: greylica
Linux increased my productivity in 30% over windows, does not need maintenance and is very very lighter.Linux do not bother me and do not chastise me !

I guess we define maintenancee differently. When I talk with my Linux pals, they're always installing some new kernel or trying to find (or write) a driver for some piece of hardware that doesn't have native linux support. They spend hours messing around trying to get their OS working seemingly out of spite for microsoft.

 

[greylica]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: greylica
http://200.213.105.41/greysilica/snapshot4.jpg

If you're using Linux, why do you have the FreeBSD daemon on there?

It´s a simpatic bad boy isn´t ?
I will find the picture of the " Pure bones " of the terribles adventures of Billy and Mandy. and put instead. hauhauahuha. A simpatic Bad Boy.

It´s only a simple theme for superkaramba, there are plenty of others, but I said it is " bonitinho" ( simpatic ) here in Brazil.
SAP for friends sibling: boo-ny-ty-ngno

 

[Nothinman]

I guess we define maintenancee differently. When I talk with my Linux pals, they're always installing some new kernel or trying to find (or write) a driver for some piece of hardware that doesn't have native linux support. They spend hours messing around trying to get their OS working seemingly out of spite for microsoft.

That's not regular maintenance and if they're not playing with the kernel and drivers because they enjoy it, something is wrong. All of my hardware (minus an SD reader in my notebook that I don't care about) works just fine in Linux and none of it required any real work to get going. Obviously there are exceptions and not all hardware will work, wifi is a good example because of the common Broadcom chips that just recently got a GPL'd driver reverse-engineered for them, previously you had to use the Windows driver in ndiswrapper. But there is hardware that won't work in Windows either and there's a lot more hardware that sucks in Windows because the drivers are crap and in those cases there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, with Linux there's a chance that someone (or you if you have the time and skill) can fix it.